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Intergration of a second sub into the setup: Gain matching

Last post 03-26-2012 9:52 PM by derrickdj1. 2 replies.
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  • 03-26-2012 3:16 AM

    Intergration of a second sub into the setup: Gain matching

     I thought long and hard about adding a second sub to my system.  But a good deal came on a SW 450, so I got it to go along with my 15 in sub and Icon V system.  All I could think about were the problems that could come from using two different subs:, different woofer size, different frequency respones, phase issues, cancelation issues and standing wave problems.  The first thing I did was use a Y connector to hook the subs up to the avr with only a .1 outlet.  Next I turned the gain up 1/2 way on each sub.  Then I used and spl meter to set each sub at 75 db.  Turning one off while I set the other one.  Next, came the autocalibration to re-set the whole system and checked it with the spl meter.  Both subs are on the front wall, but not the same distance from the corner to help with standing wave issues.

    Results:  Great!  The system was tested with music and movies.  Nice balance sound  and no ablility to locate one sub over the next one.  Both subs are not able to be localizes.  More bang from the 30 Hz range due to the 10 in. sub and good 21 Hz response from the 15 in sub.  There is also a better frequency overall response in the bass region with using the two different subs.  The use of Identical subs is always suggested but not necessary always.  What are other members experience using 2,3, or 4 subs.

    Klipsch HT, 7.2 system, RF 7 main, RC 64 center, RS 35 surround, RS 35 front wide,
    Subs: (2) CHT 18.1 on a Crown XLS 1500 amp
    Rockefish Power conditioner RF- HTS 120
    Yamaha M 80 for RF 7's
    Carver M 400 amp for RC 64
    Coming soon a Yaqin VK 2100 integrated tube amp
    Pioneer Elite SC 35
    Samsung BD-D5500
    Logitech Harmony 700 remote
    Klipsch HD 500 HT
    Sony STR DH 510
    Samsung BD C5500 player
  • 03-26-2012 5:46 PM In reply to

    Re: Intergration of a second sub into the setup: Gain matching

    Derrickdj1,

    Glad you patience has paid off and you are having good success with non matching subs.  It is tough to do but can be done as you now know.

    A short while back I was using a Paradigm Servo 15a with my Klipsch RSW-10d and after much trial and error(countless hours and weeks) I was able to get them blended pretty well.   I changed the crossovers, gains, phase, placement many times to get it "right".

    I now have a Revel B15 with a built in adjustable 3-band parametric equalizer and it was much easier to blend it seamlessly with the RSW-10d.  I am using the NAD receiver's crossover set at 80Hz for the RSW-10d and the B15's low pass filter set at 50Hz.  The subs are placed up front right/left next to my RF-63's and they really do disappear in the room.  I am more than pleased with the results.

    Bill

     


    Family Room(5.3 System)

    Klipsch RF-63(cherry) Fronts
    Klipsch RC-64(cherry) Center
    Klipsch RS-35 Surrounds
    Klipsch RSW-10d(cherry) Subwoofer
    Revel B15(cherry) Subwoofer
    SVS SB13 Plus(cherry) Subwoofer
    NAD T175HD Preamp/Processor
    Acurus A200 2-channel Amp(200w/ch)---driving RF-63 fronts
    Acurus A200x3 3-channel Amp(200w/ch)---driving RC-64 center and RS-35 surrounds
    Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player
    Cambridge Audio 840C Azur CD Player and DAC
    Dish VIP211k HD
    Monster HDP 2400
    Samsung PN59D6500 Plasma TV

    Family Room (Vintage 80's 90's 2-channel System)

    Klipsch(1994) Quartets(oak oil)
    Denon PMA-1080R Integrated Amp(105w/ch)
    Denon TU-800 Tuner
    Denon DCD-3520 CD Player
    Denon DCM-440 5-Disk CD Player
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  • 03-26-2012 9:52 PM In reply to

    Re: Intergration of a second sub into the setup: Gain matching

    Thanks Willand.  I  never thought about different subs, possibly making the bass coverage better because  of their different freqency responses.  I know it can also be a nightmare.  I just learned this gain matching method and find it make things much easier.  The room is the opponent when it come to good bassDevil.  I seen pic's of your Revel B 15 in Jan., very sweet acqusition!

    Klipsch HT, 7.2 system, RF 7 main, RC 64 center, RS 35 surround, RS 35 front wide,
    Subs: (2) CHT 18.1 on a Crown XLS 1500 amp
    Rockefish Power conditioner RF- HTS 120
    Yamaha M 80 for RF 7's
    Carver M 400 amp for RC 64
    Coming soon a Yaqin VK 2100 integrated tube amp
    Pioneer Elite SC 35
    Samsung BD-D5500
    Logitech Harmony 700 remote
    Klipsch HD 500 HT
    Sony STR DH 510
    Samsung BD C5500 player
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