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Why doesn't Klipsch upgrade the horns on their Heritage speakers ? A large portion of these forums are directly related to their perceived weaknesses. If Cornwalls or LaScala's were upgraded to perfection (at their price, they should be ) I would have bought new instead of used !

Bought these all from future shop/best buy last month: Rf-82s $500/pair Rc-62 $300 Rs-400 (equivalent to rs-42s) $300/pair Denon E300 $280 All were on sale when purchased.

Postalman continue your search, it took me 3 months to find a suitable pair of Forte II at a reasonable price. The I turned around and purchased a set of Belles... . Like them both.

RS-7s make a surprising good Timbre match to La Scalas.

Yeah that's interesting. There seem to be lots of clean forte II examples. I paid 200 for a beat up pair of chorus II's. Probably fewer chorus II's sold but why does it seem like the more expensive chorus II's are more likely to be abused?

Let me share my experience. I had my Jub clones positioned equidistant from each other and the side wall with nothing between. No joy on imaging.Placed them in the corners with the Eliptrac horns pointing just behind my head in my listening position with nothing in between and I ended up with a big hole in the middle. I then implemented a quick and dirty middle channel using a forte II elevated to put the squawker and tweeter to equal height wit the Eliptrac. Lo and behold on a good many recordings the imaging was wide and deep with vocals in the middle when it was mixed that way. One day I received a phone call that distracted me when I was turning everything on and I forgot to turn on the center channel. Listening to Alison Krauss I was grooving on her voice appearing in the middle and the center wasn't even on as I discovered later. So then I removed the Forte II and the hole in the middle again reappeared. I then put down another rug extending all the way to the back wall between the speakers and turned the Eliptrac on a 45 degree angle like the Jub clones. Again with no objects in between the hole was still there but it was way better. A mono mix appeared in the middle, but Alison Krauss was still diffused left and right. So then I took an under counter fridge I pulled from my counter and placed it on the back wall in the middle because I had no other easy place to put it. Sat down with a long legal document I needed to review and discovered the hole in the middle was gone. Then working to improve bass response with the integration of a sub woofer I discovered that a near field listening position worked best for the room. I am now equidistant from each speaker with the horns pointing directly at me and wow can I perceive depth as well as left right if the music was recorded and mixed right. Remove the fridge and the hole reappeared but to a lesser extent than from my old non near field listening position. I believe but am not qualified to opine that reflections are where the magic occurs or is killed when it comes to imaging. If you can try it make sure you have reference material from which to make your comparison and make sure the floor between the speakers along the back wall aren't super reflective. Enjoy!

Thanks Sancho. So I've been trolling Craigslist in New England and even into new York and Pennsylvania... sent a few emails but no responses. Oh well. The search continues. Be well

^^^See why?

Because if they did I would have nothing to do in my spare time. Dave

Maybe the Jubilee is too good. PWK had so much faith in the Jubilee it was to come in three different sizes.

Spending money on something I use and love everyday is worth it . My only rule is never buy what I can't pay cash for.

I couldn't find my old thread since the site switchover, In July I was walking home and stumbled across a local estate sale going on and scored a walnut veneered custom console that had a Marantz 2225 and Dual 1019 TT with an Empire 150 Cart with stylus with plenty of life left that was sitting idle for over 20 years. I bought it for 40 or 60 dollars (can't remember) and carried it home 2 city blocks. I dismantled it as my woodworking friend said it was too done in to restore. I cleaned and deoxit the Marantz and is now working beautifully in the bedroom where I placed it in a 1969 Teak Normande console (that works but needs a little work done) and I replaced the original drivers with rb61's (that i bought cheap with rough cabinets) they slid in place almost perfectly. The Dual 1010 works but needs to be relubed. Anyway, I took the 1019 base template from the original console to my woodworking buddy and he was excited to put together a new walnut plinth for the 1019. While he worked on it I had the 1019 refurbished and cleaned it up. Here is some pics of the 1019 in it's new home! Total cost of the 1019 about 100$ for wood supplies and TT (free labour ) Just thought I'd share Forgot to include that the Normande console (which I paid 140.00 for) had this Telefunken Reel to Reel in it which I think I'm going to test out on my 2 channel set up at some point, but I have no knowledge of R2R, but does work.

Maybe the Jubilee is too good.

Good points I guess I can see one reason he named the Jubilee, I wouldn't change something like the Klipschorn due to the solid run they have had. But they could offer lascala 3s just give a couple options. Plus move the Jubilee to the Heritage line with options as well.

Yes. Cornwall woofer placement. Heresey tweeter. La Scala cosmetics and 1 inch veneered mdf. Klipschorn cosmetics. Nothing as drastic as full horn and driver changes. Sometimes I think people forget who good the K55 really is.

I've spent more than most, but less than I could have and that's all I'm gonna say about that... Roger

PWK embraced advancement as was mentioned earlier. Haven't there been some improvement made to the Heritage speakers that are still offered new? Also, I see where according to the marketing materials from Klipsch that the non Heritage lines are better speakers. Wouldn't want to muddy the waters now would we.

Making it better is an opinion. I think that it would be an amazing honor to pwk if they stuck to his original designs. They can invent plenty of new klipsch lines if they want with "better" stuff. Personally, I think they need more 3-way designs.

Fine points, we all love PWK and his genius. Most importantly, his sound and speakers. Modest improvements to the Heritage line ,would only add to his legacy IMHO... I think the Heritage line , should be treated like the flagship line of speakers. Not the forgotten ones...

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I was told it was out of respect for PWK and his legacy. I'm not sure if he left instructions for the Heritage line or not. If you look at what PWK was embracing towards the end of his life that would give some hints at what a modern PWK speaker would be.... Cough... Jubilee.... Cough..... Actually he was embracing steeper slope crossovers, tractrix, and modified tractrix horns. Amazing that after so many years of designing speakers he was learning up to the very end of his life... Top notch.

I have a pair of Klipsch KG 4s being driven by a marantz sr8500 and am looking for a nice sub to go along with them, primarily for music as opposed to movies. I'm limited to $600 or less; new, used, discontinued, etc makes no difference to me as long as they are in good working condition. Anyone have any recommendations or could point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance! KG 4: http://www.klipsch.com/kg-4/details#specs

Welcom to the forum. Used is a great way to go. It may take a few weeks and require driving out of your local area but, great deals can be found. Post this in the Garage sale section as a WTB subwoofer and others will help you find one.

My friend emailed them but they have not responded... I am assuming they are gone already.

Good question, I wonder why they don't offer some sort of 2 way Lascala.

Man, I gave a away junk one last year. I knew I should have hung onto it.

A couple of observations on the cost issue. First, except in the higher end there are not a lot of 2 Channel only receiver/or amplifiers be built at say, the typical $300 to $500 level you would pay for a good multi-channel receiver. So if you are comparing 2 Channel tubes to 2 Channel SS, not as much difference price-wise as you would think. Second, please remember that the production of high-voltage transformers as well as vacuum tubes, is driven, not by the audio market, but by all those musicians who just have to have a tube amp for their electric, not acoustic, guitar. Without the guitar amp market, it's doubtful if any tubes or tube transformers would be getting built. So encourage the young ones to play the electric guitar!

That is a great offer, this forum has great members!

It just so happens that a Dynaco ST120 is in my basement. It worked when I put it away several years ago. The cosmetics are okay if you squint your eyes (pitting on the chrome and corrosion on the black cage). It would be shipped from 06365. This would be free and the only cost would be shipping. I probably could not dig it out until next week however. PM if interested

Bring your Dad! Love to meet him. Dave

Welcome to the forum. Have you checked your local craigslist? You'll get more bang for your buck used. For new, look at offerings from SVS, possibly sealed.

Get a sub or subs first. Even a $300 AVR works well with Klipsch. I know. I have one.

Mcacc didn’t do this very well either. When I used my old Elite SC-55. I agree Derrick equalizing them as 1 sounded far superior IMO but I was running 4 Passive THX subs. Also tweaked the THX subs a lot with Phase and the cleanest powerful output was when I phased the two KA-1000s at opposite polarities. Not sure exactly why but this achieved the most incredibly deep tight bass response in my theater.

The laws of diminishing returns apply to audio faster than any other art form.

John, what a home theater you have at your place! I've heard fantastic things about Emotiva equipment, I bet everything sounds outstanding. Jeff

Excellent speaker at a great price!

Those shouldn't last very long. Good Fortune

No reason to be ashamed. Some people just get it and others do not. You are just in the later category. It comes very naturally to me. Been doing it all my life. When I was a kid it was really loud and I would run around the room and play air guitar to Led Zeppelin. Then later I got some JBL's and would sit on the couch and bob my head up and down, mullet in full swing. Now I am middle aged and kind of tap my feet a little. Maybe if they legalize pot I will go back to the air guitar again. Post a short video of you listening and we'll all give you some pointers. Here are some examples: This guy is really good at listening: But we need to start you out slowly. Maybe follow this example: