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DUDE... your posting here instead of listening to them? get on the ball man. crank them up

Hi. I'm looking for information about new Klipsch Reference line ( when Klipsch planning to make new line speakers ) And one suggestion - Many people in Europe don't buy Klipsch Reference because back ports are difficult to set. Rooms in Europe are little bit less and speakers must stand closer the wall. I think you'll sell more speakers with front ports

Now before we were so rudely interrupted, I was about to call Mark a dirty rotten scoundrel. No, no, that's not it. (sorry Mark but an emoticon seemed in order) Yes, Mark, it is possible to ascertain a minor difference, usually worse, in the sound of cable, but my question is why? There's a standard for cables. Build to the standard and then get on to more important aspects of fine tuning a system. The only real reason there are all those fancy cable out there is not for better engineering, not for better sound, not to address a failure in the rest of the audio chain, but merely to make gobs and gobs of money. Just think of the markups on this stuff. Get some Home Depot wire, put a fancy sleeve on it, add some capacitance or resistance, or whatever you've got lying around, it really doesn't make any difference because it's all voodoo anyways. The result. Wallah you've got high end snake oil the benefits of which nobody can deny, nor prove, and no means to qualitatively or qualitatively measure it. The reason I get incensed over cable and wires when people try to push them on this forum (not many and no not you Mark), is that we should remember that we all serve an instructional function here. We are not just here to debate. One of the reason Klipsch sponsors this Forum is because we serve as a technical base for helping people with little or knowledge of audio. In other words, mystified souls come here all the time and ask questions about this or that. Now to my mind, do we really want to encourage people to go out and waste money on cables before they've dealt with the basics? Before they've adopted tweaks and upgrades with proven provenance. Let's face it if your a newbie and you go out and buy some magic rocks, then you really haven't lost much money, just a sense of innocence. Now if you start chasing cables your being conned into wasting great gobs of money. That's why I get pumped up about this, so the newbies and lurkers don't get a bum steer. Now, onto a different aspect of this debate. Mark you mentioned turntable cables. Isn't the real issue with those cables the need to deal with the fact that you are transmitting a really tiny signal which will then be amplified at the phono section, and thus you don't want to lose any of the signal on it's short path to the phono section? I really don't know for sure, but I'm assuming that's the critical factor, especially given the teeny, tiny wires on pick up arms. Finally, what cables did you personally recommend to go between the Blueberry and the Pcats. Given your attention to all aspects of the development of those units, I'm sure you wouldn't possibly neglect the impact of cable on the transfer of signals between the two.

these are in memphis tenn http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-klipsch-rf-7-mkii-101-db-efficient-2014-02-16-speakers-38120

Man i hate that when i get something new and i have to wait to hear it

Finally finished the "remodeling" and have the rc-64 in its new home. Scooby just can't stop staring at it. There is a very noticeable difference between the rc-3ii and rc-64 in terms of vocal output and efficiency. On rc-64, I set my volume level to -23 and I never have to touch it again. With the rc-3ii, to hear the same output, I had to set volume level to -18 and sometimes I still have to adjust volume during in-movie. rc-64 installed: watching enders game: Is there anyway to reduce the amount of vocal output coming from the La Scala? Is this plausible and is it even a good idea? Just trying to find out if anyone has done this already; new xover maybe?

Welcome to the Klipsch Forums, KLiPOLiSH! Rumor is sometime soon; maybe this year?

Morning gentlemen! Finally have internet and a land line working. Who knew you had to re boot your phone modem? An over doer's back ache from the chainsaw so I thought I would grab a cup and catch up here. Is the "other" cable thread still going or was it locked?

Generally speaking, tweeters do have lower power ratings than woofers. While the Klipschorn and La Scala woofer (the K-33) has a 100 watt rating, the K-77 tweeter rating is much lower, less than 10 watts, IIRC. This is because the K-77 covers only the range from 6 KHz-17 KHz, or 4.5 KHz-17 KHz in the later models. That's only 1.5-2 octaves, so it doesn't see a lot of power. La Scala Industrials use the K-43 woofer, rated at 200 watts, and have protective fuses. With the Jubilee and JubScala, the K-69 tweeter is rated at 50 watts. As you likely know, most musical instruments don't produce any fundamentals past about 4 KHz. The rest is harmonics, as you can see by this chart, and even the harmonics only go so high. As a result, the upper octaves don't contain as much energy in practical terms as they do in theory, since only whistles would be mostly playing at the very high frequencies. Frequency chart: http://www.themusicespionage.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Frequency-Chart.jpg Since the big Heritage (and Jubilee and JubScala) speakers are so sensitive, at 104 dB/W/M or more, the drivers are running on fractions of a watt most of the time, only pulling lots of watts during brief musical peaks. In my system, one 500Wpc dual-mono amp feeds the woofers and the second matching amp feeds the tweeters. This means that each 50-watt tweeter has 500 watts available to it, and each 100-watt woofer also has 500 watts available to it. "Available" is the keyword. It's not like flicking a light switch and sending full power through the speaker cables. To reproduce music realistically, it takes a lot of power to accelerate a woofer cone or tweeter diaphragm to match the speed of a drumskin or piano string being hit, but the drivers can absorb large amounts of power for brief instances without any problems. However, if you were to push a constant sound, like a test tone, to a driver at high volume, you could fry it pretty quickly. With the digital volume knob on the Yamaha receiver taking over 3 turns from minimum to maximum volume, you can't go to max volume with just a flick of the wrist, so the rising volume has time to warn you before you get into any danger zone. I've never actually turned the volume all the way up, because painful levels are reached at least 10-15 dB before max volume with CDs or DVDs. Max volume with LPs is much lower, due to the comparatively low output of phono cartridges. Your RF7s are highly respected and well-liked speakers, but the La Scala bass horn, with its 4 square foot opening, can move more air with less distortion than any direct-firing woofer. You're in for a treat when you get to hear a La Scala. I've not heard a properly set-up Klipschorn, but they also can move a lot of air with very little distortion.

Islander this would be an interesting topic on power use and amp selection on some of the Heritage line. Some of what you said does seem backward when you first hear it. But, that lower xo point makes a big difference. I still have not ever heard a set of the Heritage line of speakers. Selecting the power handling of the tweeter/HF driver is more important when doing mods to Khorns, jubs, jubscala. I kown for some two way non-horn loaded speaker the tweeter can have a much lower power handling rating than the woofer. Once again thanks for the comments, I like learning some knew things!

Alright I think I can at least run one cornwall. The amp I have is a sony STR AV480 110 watt AM/FM receiver. a link to one is here http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/239188-fs-sony-str-av480-home-reciever/ all I know is that it sucks and it was cheap. Can it power 1 cornwall without damaging anything?

My uncle--who has already passed--was at Normandy. When i was young, his stories were so cool and i remember thinking, "i hope there is a war when i grow up." When i hit my teens, his stories changed a bit and i remember thinking, "I hope i never have to go to war." He did say that they had this Sgt that seemed tough as nails; but, when the landing craft doors opened and the bullets started flying, the guy stood there and cried hysterically. One other time, I asked him "How close did you ever get to the Germans that were actually shooting at you?" He said, "Pretty close. I guess about from here to the other side of the street." The street was a normal residential street width. I couldn't believe being that close to people shooting at me.

Haven't had a complaint yet. Dave

The guy has responded to my email and seems like a very nice sort and devoted to his project. Perhaps he is tilting windmills, but he has my support. It's at least as useful as time spent here... Dave

I cannot seem to be able to tell them apart. Some DSD has been through a PCM process so I can't see what all the fuss is about.But on the subject of DACs: From what I have learned the software that processes the data can have a huge impact on the sound. You could almost say that if the stream to the DAC isn't up to snuff then the DAC cannot improve on it. I have a ten year old Audio by Van Alstine 44.1 tube DAC that sounds fantastic when driven by Pure Music. When driven by Itunes its no better than my CD player, maybe worse. I never play a CD direct. I rip it to loss less and then process the data properly to get the best result. Since I am going to be passive crossover soon, I think I m going to try the AVA again and compare it to the Apogee Quartet that is close to current state of the art.

I am old enough to remember the "save the mono" movement. I'm totally with them on getting more people into quality music listening again, but stereo isn't going to cut it. People expect higher fidelity these days. Dave

Top notch.

If you brew at home, and like iced coffee, try freezing cubes of leftover brew. Keeps your iced coffee cold, without diluting the flavor.

Add Donald Fagen's "the Nightfly" to that list. Being the first guy in Michigan to own a CD player (back then it was Sony or nothing), I had that recording on LP before the CD was available (and there were very few CD's available then). It is still a benchmark of excellence in recording today and the music is good. My favorite cut is "the Goodbye Look." Great dynamics, micro detail, and not too bassy. CD's got a bad rap back then because, being flat from 4 Hz. to 20 Khz. they revealed bad recordings more so than the crappy recycled vinyl did at the time and got the blame for it. Still to this day, only classical recordings take full advantange of the extra 30 db of dynamic range afforded by the CD or even the extra 60 DB one can get from uncompressed Blue Ray Audio formats. Shameful, really. Let's hear it from crappy compressed 128 Kilobit MP3's........................PRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT(rasberries galore)

Here is DR Database record of the most spectacular of Supertramp CDs that I have owned (or heard)...but get out your check book. I found my copy used on ebay for $100 - and it was most definitely worth it to me: http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=475 The above CD is even more impressive, by a small margin, than this version of Steely Dan's Aja: http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=6715 Chris

If you had read the Audioholics articles describing their cable tests and the conclusions they drew from those test results you would find that they agree with what you wrote that I highlighted in boldface. Basically, they can hear differences in some of the wires they tested and the differences can be explained by the wire's electrical characteristics that they measured. http://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/skin-effect-relevance-in-speaker-cables http://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/cable-distortion-and-dielectric-biasing-debunked http://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/top-ten-signs-an-audio-cable-vendor-is-selling-you-snake-oil http://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/speaker-cable-gauge Their recommendations of the Kimber and Blue Jeans speaker cables are based on science and either of these cables would be a good choice. Neither of these cables are through-the-roof expensive. I would certainly trust what these guys say before I would believe what the snake oil peddlers claim regarding their products.

We know they're making fraudulent claims, but that's not the point of the discussion. Fraudulent claims doesn't do away with the fact that wire is an interface that effects the behavior of the components it's connected to, or that some wire types or topology are more ideal than others. For example, we learn that in spite of the continued insistence that zip cord is all that anyone ever needs, it's not really all that ideal, and that some audiophile favorites, like Goertz ribbon cable, can actually cause some amplifiers to go into oscillation. It pays to be open minded and to learn a few things. http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~apm3/diyaudio/Connections.html

Did anyone bother to download and read the technical articles I attached in the original thread?

See, now this is what I'm talking about. People who agree with me. I'm not surprised because I'm pretty much right all the time. Of course, Mark may disagree, but this being Friday evening, he's probably escorting his true love to a fine restaurant accompanied by a ever so slightly chilled rose to go with the introductory course of cracked crabs. Me. I just sucked down a bowl of Campbell's mushroom soup accompanied by a soupcon of MadDog 20/20. I could be wrong, though, He could be hunkered down over his keyboard furiously at work on a foam-flecked diatribe thinly disguised as reasoned discourse. Maybe the heavy metal music he's playing through his "Blistered Fingers Superior Cable " his grinding molars couterpointing the wailing guitars and the frantic typing. Me I'm listening to Leonard Cohen.

You can't trust thebes to much on these matters cause he has had extreme high-voltage electro-shock induced trama from his early tube amp experimental mishaps combined with large doses of smoke from burnt resistors Put me down as one who has experienced differences in wires at times for various reasons and I have even used that to tweek my system at times.....now that doesn't mean I advocate spending large amounts of money on wire and as a rule I do consider it low in the hierachy of how to acheive good sound reproduction. miketn

Still selling the C7s? Are you willing to sell just one? Sent from my iPhone, excuse the typos