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This is a fascinating discussion, trying to come up with new metrics, and applying these novel metrics to complex devices. But, to bring this back on topic, what does it have to do with speaker cable? Cables are simple lumped parameter components. L, R, C, that's it. Simple conductors do not produce non-linear distortion at all, and they won't effect linearity unless they are poorly chosen for the task. There has yet been any evidence presented showing that these mysterious differences arise from the cable, or that it even exists, yet the appeal to novel metrics in pursuit of audiophile religion persists. I don't get it. This whole discussion is based on a false premise, one whose persistence and promotion is a detriment to the entire forum. It's unsound, unsupported, bad advice to lead someone to believe that speaker cables are anything more than they are, or that they will somehow transform one's system. They would be better off reading up on room acoustics and tackling that than wasting any time, effort, or money on fancy magic wire.

I could use it, I will send a PM.

I haven't experienced this phenomenon, but if others are seeing this sort of thing, I'm interested in hearing about it. Thanks

Im a black finish guy although i love your 92's. Sorry about your choice man. It has gotta be tough. Could be sell them at buyers choice

I love my subs. If i did not have big bass in my life in the form of a very low frequency bass driver/s i would not sleep tight till i got some. I'm very serious

So far with my experience, the sound quality is outstanding and I'm just getting started with room placement. Shouldn't you be getting started with pictures?

Take him out for some beer, pizza and pinball.... and invite a few friends....

"A" people hire "A" people. "B" people hire "C" people. I point the boney finger of blame at the person who hired him. Problems like this tend to go all the way to the top of the company. _If_ the CEO of your company is an "A" person, then you can make change. If he is not, you are likely stuck with what you got.

stack them head to head for 2 channel goodness.

First, congrats!! Second, just toss a doily over them...she'll never notice! As for the top, I've always thought that one could build a Khorn style top (to match the shape of the Jubilee bass bin) and place the K510 inside it to give a more finished presentation. That said, I've also thought about doing the same thing with the K402 like several others have. Then I think...nah... I kind of like the look of intimidation that it presents. Not trying to hijack this thread or anything. Just wanted to show what I did with mine. The 402 would obviously require a slightly different approach but you get the idea. Hope this helps.

EDIT: Please see the main thread with the latest version of this info:

New post on my blog with a selection of recordings I've made with notes. If you have the bandwidth, you can listen via the embedded media player. If it doesn't show, download via the "Direct Download" link below the embedded player link. Music Files: By Request Dave

I recently upgraded all my speakers in my home theater. I had the Onkyo HT-SR 800 HTIB for years. The speakers I currently have are all Klipsch. Front L/R: KSF 8.5, Center: KSF-C5, Surround L/R: KSF-S5, Rear L/R: SB-1. I'm still using the receiver that came with the HTIB, Onkyo HT-R550. I'd like to get a new receiver next but have no idea what to start looking at. I use it usually for TV/Movies and music, sometimes gaming. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! The attached picture shows the specs of the current receiver I have.

I have a single kg 2.5 free to anybody who wants it. It is in pretty bad shape... but it works. The cabinet has some water damage... I am using the other one as a center between 2 kg 4's. I forgot it was in my garage and it got wet. Also, the grill is busted and the black stain is coming off. My zip code is 15108 (western PA), if anybody local wants it or just pay the shipping and it's yours.

Tubes are good.

well its pretty much just as i described. the clock is wrong, if i make a post, then when i look at the main forum page where it shows recent activity of all the sub categories, the time it shows that post was made is off terribly. for example, after i make this post, i can go back to that main page in 2 minutes & it will show i made the post 13 minutes ago. or some other incorrect timing. seems to be random & varies in the differences it shows. Thank you. I understand the issue. I just meant I'm interested in hearing if others are having the same problem.

Good show! Will leave for someone who needs it.

I wonder if they are filled with nuts too?

I thank you. I have been reading this forum since i began using tube amplifiers and 1 thing i have noticed is that the people who own gear from your likes solid state and tube have not switched their gear in the years up to now and do not see that to change. That means a lot. Its nice to get to the point where your no longer looking for upgrades and you have did this for more than any other i have seen. That does make you the keeper of the sound.

Very nice equip, depending on the shipping prices, id say we have an American Made amp to compete with the imports.

If you want LOUD, you should begin your search at 60W per channel with a push pull amp. I'll amplify ( ) Mark's advice by noting that most tube amps in that power range are basic amps (as opposed to integrated- i.e. with a built-in preamp section) and may require a preamp to deliver the power needed to drive the speakers to extremely high levels. A good tube type preamp can cost quite a bit, so definitely consider that in your budget, as well as the potential cost of having vintage equipment restored if you decide to go that route instead of buying something new. Maynard

And this is my quandry...I'm goin for 10hz as much as possible for HT. Why 10? Because I can. It takes the "what if" factor out of my mind. I know I can get there with an Inuke and 4 sealed 18s (or IB, but my current setup won't allow for it). As much as I'd love to throw in some horn subs, one of the only DIY subs I've seen that can hit 10 is the Gjallerhorn, but I can build two or three Dayton sealed 18s for the price of one Gjallerhorn (amp power moot point). That gives me greater coverage and placement options. If I could settle for 15-16hz, then Lilwreckers all day long. I'd like to think that with 4 18s not nearly being pushed to their limits (unless goin crazy with some bass tests), I could achieve both the SPL levels and extension I am going for, without distorting myself to smithereens. All that being said, them dang horn subs still intrigue me. Good thing I'm fairly young. Guess I'll have to go both routes and see what my ears tell me,

Not yet. Coz I just got the 85s! They also have different horn.

West of toledo Ohio I would just hate to spend the cash and end up not gaining much!! I love this hobby, but often wonder how my wife puts up with it!! Maybe I will start looking for used.

I love to see people faces when I watch a movie with some good LFE. Four 18 in drivers never fail to impress. Rarely do I run them hot.

Three reasons. First, the extra height they give the 510 tweeters gives the sound a bigger presentation, like the musicians are up on a stage, not sitting on chairs in front of you. Second, the speakers look better that way, and those big top sections would take up a lot of space stored anywhere else. If I ever get 402 horns, I'll consider setting them directly on the bass bins, because they're fairly tall horns, but they might go on top of the LS2 HF sections also.

Where are you located? Maybe there is a member in your area that can assist in a demo. Maybe not! Dave

It's not even finished yet and it's already looking good larbo13! I hope you don't mind me saying this but when you have everything enclosed, go into the most middle part of the room and clap your hand as hard as you can and listen for reverb or echos. You may need a few wall treatment. Otherwise, man, it looks awesome. Thank you guy's , Javelin don't mind at all. I just did the bass traps and panels this past week, I still have to do two more for the ceiling. But yes your right I hear the echos from the ceiling. The bass traps and panels made a huge difference , once I get the other panels up and some carpeting I don't think there will be any prob.

It's my 70" Sharp for sure, looking forward to getting into front projection with a 120-140" screen.

Are you talking about a pair of 402s with no drivers? If it turns out that you do not get them, could you let me know? I may be ready for the next step in the evolution of my JubScalas. They started out as La Scalas, became 510 JubScalas, and now they're 510 JubScala IIs. 402 horns are the next logical step. Davis had a pair a while back, he has sold them since. DJK, convinced me to give the EV hp640 a try, I just need to find another at a good price. But will be trying them with the Faitals on top of the Jamboree bass bin.

Thanks for all the reply! I wish I have a mansion to keep all the speakers. I'm thinking to sell the other one to fund a cornscala. Both of them have k-55-m. This is the 92s khorn And This is the 85s just sitting in the garage.

On Ebay I use a guy that calls his company "Primeamp" out of Kowloon HongKong, all my tube amps come from him, Direct copies of Mcintosh, fisher, and others, and he backs them up. to this date iv purchased 6 tube amps, and a set of Mono Blocks for the wife. could not be happier. Which was your favorite amp of Primeamps? Have you ever had any of them bench evaluated? Nice looking stuff. Oh brother, I don't think iv ever been ask that before, um, all of them, since I always seem to find some kind of killer speaker first and then figure the wattage they handle then kind of take it from there, does that make sense? And no bench test as of yet, that would be interesting though.

On Ebay I use a guy that calls his company "Primeamp" out of Kowloon HongKong, all my tube amps come from him, Direct copies of Mcintosh, fisher, and others, and he backs them up. to this date iv purchased 6 tube amps, and a set of Mono Blocks for the wife. could not be happier.

It sounds like -20dB works, but if that wasn't enough trim, the only other option is to install pads between an amp and a preamp. Since you can't do this with an AVR as the amp is internal, the last approach would be to lower the input level for each source you use, and raise the center channel a similar amount. Awesome looking setup by the way!

So far with my experience, the sound quality is outstanding and I'm just getting started with room placement.

This sucks since you have given a good 10 years of your life,

I just ordered a pair of JBL 2360A horns plus drivers... The original quote was $370... i told them i would pick them up at ABF and it dropped to $170.

Hey not to far . Yeah, what's a 6-hour drive between friends, right?

Sounds good, i want to focus on quality more than quantity but realise i need to make purchases as easy as possible. Its as easy as an E-Mail if questions arise, just trying to earn an honest living.

Half-way my HT build process, I immediately put a warning sign, though less threathening but they get the point. Notice, the two RF-3II in the pic. My original fronts since HT built 5yrs ago. Now, I'll be putting these up for sale along withe RC-3II to get me RS-5/6 II and replace the RS-3II Since I just got the RC-64, cash is 0 and WAF for new surrounds is like -10.

Keep both pairs. Your total volume (Soud Pressure Level) does not have to be even 1 dB higher with 4 than 2. In fact dividing the Sound Pressure between 4 corners may relieve the neighbor on one side, even though it curses the neighbor on the other side. Share the wealth! Put one Klipschorn in each of 4 corners of the same room. There was a lengendary dance hall in a New York loft with that set-up, and McIntosh amplification, and the dancers and hangers-on were in ecstasy!

I likes me some Hershey's

Why they sell for over $1000 EACH!!!

Yes the Tandberg was the finest i have heard as well. I have a freind well into his 80's who collects reel to reel machines and i have made some very long drives to pick up some in particular for him and his collection. Still at his age he takes some of the nicest equipment i have seen and mods and rebuilds in great detail. I have no idea about these machines other than how to use one although sound quality from the Tandberg and i dont remember the model was very good.

And you could have bought your cables at Lowes......

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Build your own. I could build a set with styrofoam for padding and painters plastic so the styrofoam would not mark the speakers. Just need some large boxes and packing or duct tape. With 8 smaller boxes I could build a darn sturdy box for moving La Scalas. would need 2 for a pair of La Scalas. Wal-mart has given me boxes before that were broke down but large enough to build a box for La Scala's. John

Think he means shipping boxes.

New wife?

Specs don't look any better than the 884 really. I guess just the fact that it's a horn loaded sub vs direct radiator sub? And sancho the cinema line is for movie theaters and people like me with false walls and get crazy with the volume once in a while lol