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As I lie on my comfy couch listening to music I have listened to for many years and spending much time and research and experimentation with different speakers, amps, cables, turntables, CD players, streamers etc etc I get that familiar feeling I have had many times before. Once the chase is over it is often times a tad bittersweet. I am pretty sure that many here are happy with the way their systems have come together and are just listening and enjoying the music like I am. A great place to be but kind of sad whenever the search and pursuit is over for better amps, dacs, cables and speakers are behind us. Almost hard for me to admit I am satisfied just listening to the music I love from the comfort of my couch with the various parts I hobbled together.

You'll survive! I've got faith in you! Yup, Friday was wasted but I was workin for the weekend. So here we go since I don't EVER work on weekends! "Vincebus Eruptum" release in 1968 by Blue Cheer... Lil "Summertime Blues" always sounds good on a hot early summer's day! Then things start to happen! A lil Creedence Clearwater! How's mah Suzie Q? JJ Cale's 5th released in 1979.. Mmmmm you won't believe me on this one but it's one H3LL of an LP. BullAngus doin BullAngus waaaay back in 1971. Lil combo of Psych and Hard Rock. FANTASTIC! Just nosin and pulled it out. Hasn't been played in years. Thought it was good then couldn't remember. What a pleasant surprise! Roy Buchanan? Mmmmhmmmmm His Second Album from 1973. Roy's ALWAYS good! Ok, I give up. Ear fatigue, rear fatigue but I'm also hungry! Maybe a Magical Mystery Tour would help? Nope, no workie on wkends. What's tomorrow gonna bring? I'm out! lol

From posting: Both work perfect no damaged drivers cabinets have wear and some scratches could plug and play or great for a restoring project cabinets are solid no water damage https://offerup.com/item/detail/1215889460?q=klipsch No Affiliation. Looks like a good deal with the grey or olive colored grill covering. Looks like he has a lot of other gear as well posted, including some McIntosh gear: https://offerup.com/p/2724716

Good question. Even the excellent link provided by the cool Frenchman with a taste for American cars is 1kHz oriented. I'll fix that and start another thread for it. : )

I bet Jon Rahm would get vaccinated if he could turn back time. With a 6 shot lead on the 18th hole Saturday at the Memorial Golf tournament (Top prize $1.6 Million) he tested pos. for Corona and was forced to withdraw. Had he been vaccinated, no testing required per PGA!!! https://www.golfdigest.com/story/here-is-the-prize-money-payout-for-each-golfer-at-the-2021-memorial-tournament

Hey Babadono, everything is A-Ok my way. Skies are grey this morning, ☁️ though the sun should shine later. ☀️

Coffee finished, bacon and blueberry pancakes down the hatch. Anyone watching the Memorial Tournament? Interesting conclusion to yesterdays round. Jon Rahm with a 6 stroke lead and looking unstoppable disqualified after testing positive for Covid! He was told as he came off hole 18. Time to walk the Swankster and then watch This Old House (as I have done for 30 years or more). Happy Sunday gents.........

@mustang_flht, Unbelievable! I also have an American and German sports car. First up is the American all wheel drive that can do 0 to 60 in.. Well.. Actually it can't even do 20, but it is reliable. Forgot the year - got it a long time ago: And my German sports car. 2016. It will go 60. : )

For our friend @Langston I have both two : one Mustang 2010 and on 911 2001 There in my country, around Les Baux-de-Provence, for those who know. 😜

Another option is for you to not say anything negative about something that someone is selling in the Garage Sale section.

On the third day of my CWIV ownership, I have become more and more impressed with the bass I'm getting out of these speakers. I haven't read through this thread yet (I'm about to) but before I do I'm going to go out on a limb and say that your experience has been exactly the same. I'd be very surprised to hear you still had a lack of bass. These speakers are breaking in beautifully. I've also experiemented more with toe-in and placement. I'm in love with these speakers. EDIT: So I just read the thread and it seems maybe you aren't having the same experience as I am. I want to add that it's not your amp. I'm running my CWIVs from a Best Buy Onkyo A/V receiver with amazing results. I'm feeding it an analog signal from a Schiit Modius DAC so I'm running the receiver in direct mode with no internal processing going on. So no EQ either. I'll also add that my room is likely what many of you would consider too small for Cornwalls, 10.5 foot wide, 16.5 foot in length and 7 foot ceilings. Pretty damn small really. All the same they sound incredible. I'm gonna be honest here: I was not impressed with the bass I was getting out of these speakers Friday afternoon when I took delivery. Yesterday it was much better and today it's fantastic. I've probably put 20ish hours of music through them since Friday afternoon, even playing them when I wasn't at home. Don't give up on your Cornwalls yet brother!

Sounds like you still have May grey! 🙂

There is an option for you to say nothing at all.

I had 30 years with Khorns and a Center LaScala (oiled Birch finish), but then I heard MWMs with a K-402, and it was all over, espcially when I discovered Surround Sound, so I had to buy more, smaller Klipsch!

My wife told me she and her sister started a weight loss competition to see who can shed the most pounds before their cousin's wedding this summer. "I hope you win" was not the correct response.

Good morning, Sorry for the slow responses lately. New puppy is like having a new kid. I sold these and they got to their new home on Thursday. Thanks to everyone for their input and interest. Hans

My primary system, mostly due to right place right time, hasn't changed for 40 years Mc and LaScalas Never felt motivated to make a change That said I have lots of gear as toys to play with ....... Mostly collecting and enjoying music these days

An object in possession seldom retains the lustre of an object in pursuit.

Basically, all you need is more and better music. We all have limited amount of time to enjoy it, even when retired, aye? Or, just get a bigger house, with bigger rooms, so you can have all Big Horns in it. Then you will want for nothing more. LOL.

Our member from Rimouski, psg, hasn’t posted on the Forum in over a year. I thought he might have been busy with other things, but someone posted last week that he was “no longer with us”. Does anyone know if he has left the Earth, or just the Forum? He visited me when he was in town in 2006, a few months after I got my La Scalas, and gave me some helpful tips. He’s a very pleasant guy. I hope he’s still around.

You've got two completely different speakers here: The Dynaudio has two smaller woofers high off the floor, with a likely floor level port. While the Cornwall has floor level venting (not ports) the immensely larger single woofer is near floor level. I'm thinking it's either some sort of room cancellation of bass frequencies or floor bounce nullifying. Maybe the 15" woofer moves TOO MUCH air, causing some anomaly. Just for kicks, I'd suggest inverting the speakers and seeing if the bass response changes. I'm not suggesting you leave them that way, just experiment. The efficiency and frequency response of the Cornwall beats the Dynaudio performance by a mile and speakers are pretty foolproof in construction. I can't imagine the factory 'effed something up. I"m also of the school that there's a difference in bass sounds with ported speakers vs. vented speakers. The vents on the Cornwall total much more area than the Dynaudio port. For sure, any bass port or vent has to be designed to enhance the specific speaker's design parameters, and I feel vented speakers, with their larger square area, sound different than ported ones.

...in three, two, one

My comment related to the picture Randy posted. Too much bracing radically reduces the internal volume of cabinet, which changes the mathematical alignment with the woofer.

correctomundo ----the hockey scenes were shot at the Utica Memorial Auditorium in Upstate NY - the brawl in the Slapshot movie was inspired by a real life Altercation between 2 Defunct American Professional Hockey teams of NY and PA - the Mohawk Valley Comets and the Johnstown Jets

I agree with the notion of break in time. It is very real. But even out of the box my speakers had good bass. They were a little tight and wouldn't "swing ". And the bass did get better, but was never MIA. Play them a few days, not only to loosen things up but to also let them settle into your system, then report back. Shakey

Maybe my contribution does not help so much. But let's assume that your CW4 have no errors...Here was a long thread about the topic of whether running in is relevant or not. I am one of those who think it is relevant. Your CW4s are just unpacked. I think 200 hours of running in does not have to be to be able to basically judge a speaker. But I would look at what happens within four days when relatively loud music is played in the meantime. It's not just the woofer and its cone surround. It is also the capacitors of the midrange and tweeter that allow more bass when they are played in. There was already a thread here where someone on a remote island had the feeling that his new CW4 had no bass. Later it was quite satisfactory. Wait perhaps three or four days before you make a final judgement.

I accept the free choice that everyone has. I find it interesting and invigorating for our audio hobby, what there are for manifold attempts and solutions and no one should be denied something. I don't want to make a crusade. But...$600 for a few drops of a magic water is, in my understanding, more likely to seduce mentally weak people. With all the freedom of experimentation, there is, on the other hand, common sense and proportionality. At least in the way that everyone individually considers right.

Who needs t/s parameters.

Hello: My first post here. Incredibly impressive forum on two counts - some genuinely serious audio (Chris A. and others) and secondly, rare for today, allowing some difficult conversations without censorship. I spent a few decades in pro audio (concert production) with the intent on bringing the best sound in the world to my audiences. Of course I rarely pulled it off, but I enjoyed the pursuit. : ) Much of the endeavor involved modifying the weakest link in the chain: loudspeakers. My hero in the realm is Dick Heyser and he did a review on the mighty Klipschorn in a 1986 Audio Magazine article and ever since then I wanted to purchase a pair and have a go at making them all they could be without violating PWK's vision. Now I'm retired and have the time to make a mess of home audio, so I found a very nice pair of 1974 vintage Klipschorns, Polk SDA SRS 1.2TL's, Martin Logan CLS II's and some other stuff. I'm into inverse filtering per Dave Gunness's work and I'm also a huge Tom Danley fan though and may end in his court, we'll see. --- What's my first post about? My stubbornness to stay with passive crossovers per the original Klipschorn design and thus have to deal with something I avoided with professional loudspeakers: cored inductors. Something this "simple" ended up taking much of a month to figure out and I'd like to share my findings. Sure, air core is the way to go as long as you keep them away from ferrous materials and magnetic fields. That's not so hard with the smaller values required for mids and highs, but at low frequencies, reasonable DCR is a challenge. I thought it would be easy getting a high quality 4mH cored inductor with less than 0.5Ω DCR for the Crites cast frame woofer (replaced the square magnet K-33P), but even some of the best of these generate too much distortion for my taste. --- What do I mean by distortion? To begin with, THD is a poor, but not quite useless distortion measurement for devices that exhibit natural low-pass characteristics; such as inductors and horn loaded bass cabinets. THD is all about comparing the unwanted odd and even harmonics to a fundamental, and the harmonics are largely filtered out! Thus you can get good THD numbers and still have audibly unacceptable levels of distortion with low pass devices. The solution is to measure distortion components within the passband of the device, and that can be done with intermodulation techniques that use two or more simultaneously generated tones within the passband to generate sum and difference frequencies as well as harmonics of the (two or more) fundamentals. I chose Audio Precision's "MOD" IMD measurement technique as well as a high resolution, low frequency Multitone stimulus to compare 4mH inductors loaded by a 4Ω power resistor. 4Ω is what the Klipschorn and a great majority of low frequency systems use, thus 8Ω wattage specifications tend to be marketing ploys IMO. Inductors are current limited animals, not wattage limited. An inductor that is clean at 10 amps into 4Ω behaves identically at 10 amps into 8Ω. Ohm's law states that Amps(squared) times resistance equals watts, thus the 8Ω load will provide the marketing department with twice the wattage specification compared to the more realistic 4Ω. --- It has been a personal endeavor to select a low DCR woofer inductor for my 2nd order (electrical) low pass filter. There is a 12awg copper foil air core inductor that boasts a 0.3Ω-ish DCR, but I wanted to learn about cored inductors, thus purchased the following 4mH coils (that's what their nominal spec's were, but the truth turned out to be 3.4mH - 4.2mH). 1. ERSE SuperQ 16awg 2. ERSE SuperQ 14awg 3. ERSE IQ 18awg 4. Jantzen C-coil 14awg 5. Madisound Sledgehammer 15awg 6. Crites Steel Core 0.46Ω DCR (don't know the awg yet, either 18 or 20) I won't have inductor #5 until 2 June. Would the results of my testing be of interest? God bless you and your precious families - Langston

Check the resistance of the woofer alone. Should be the same as the other one. Any K-33 will work. Crites Speakers has woofers built to match early K-33s. There have been small changes over the years. Optimum would be another K-33-J; check ebay.

Check out Misen. I have several and they are outstanding.

Here is a 2230: https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/123192753

I agree, and that's why I said that they might need to be 'put down' as in euthanasia. What you said reminds me of what I have said about places I have worked: It's loud, dirty, doesn't pay well, the insurance sucks, the boss is an ars, coworkers are lazy back-biters, the work is exhausting, the building is cold in the winter, hot in the summer and leaks when it rains. Other than that, it's a good place to work.

Makes me think about selling my collection before they wake up.

I really like John Siau's audio philosophy, so when the Benchmark amp came out, it wasn't a question of whether to buy it, but how to get him to sign it! : ) The truth is I haven't had efficient enough loudspeakers to be able to use the amp enough to really get to know it, so I use it mainly to measure stuff. I love the fact that it has clip LED's! Like most amps these days, it'll throttle itself to prevent more than about 1% THD when overdriven, but I hate the idea not knowing when the amp is beginning to act like a compressor/limiter. I also love heavy symphonic music at live levels (OK, maybe a bit too live) and these '74 Klipschorns I've been working on recently probably won't take the AHB2 amp out of idle. With the Klipschorn, the high power portions of my inductor testing are silly, but I wanted to learn. I've actually never heard Klipschorns in my life, but I'm getting close - a couple of days from now and I'll find out what all the fuss is about. : ) On the 1kHz testing - I'm sure you're referring to the LCR meter results. I also looked at 100Hz, 120Hz, 10kHz and 100kHz, but I didn't think that was very enlightening. Everybody specs them at 1kHz - but I'm new at these things - let me know if you'd like to see the other frequencies for mH and Q. Another thing is that I've studied Q and know what it means and even how to calculate it without an LCR meter, but I still don't see how it applies in passive loudspeaker crossover applications. Please clue me in - I'd love to learn. Complex transfer function measurements agree with LTSpice simulations (of perfect inductors) at these "low" audio frequencies without the need to know anything other than mH and DCR. Above audio frequencies, I see why Q is a big deal. Thanks!

He who knows contentment is rich. Lao Tzu

We go through this about once a month now or more lately. Days pass and the buyer finally gets it. Just about need a post pinned in alerts. Or just do a search here. Cheers!

Thanks Lumber, but pretty set on locating a 2230. Quirky, I know, but not crazy about the balance slider.

More like battered buds.

Just to clarify is the custom built RCA 20’ or 20”..? 20’ of RCA cable could cause frequency response issues due to excessive total cable capacitance. Curious is your listening room very live (ie: mostly hard surfaces or does it have a balance of soft surfaces ( like cloth furniture... etc) ..? Pictures of the room might help us understand what you’re dealing with. miketn

No one knows for sure. 3 lab workers had covid like symptoms prior to the break out but naturally no one is allowed to see any data.

I’m not sure of your living situation but if you are a single women living alone I’d be very careful with CList meetings/transactions. A cache of Klipsch Heritage might bring the “wrong clientele around. If at all possible give no info on your address until you have fully vetted their interest level. CList can be an “interesting” place to shop. Just be careful no matter what your situation -

Well, the baffle looks fragile, but I have the impression that it is reinforced and stabilized by the drivers themselves when installed, or am I wrong…perhaps similar to the parts of a chassis in racing cars, which only gain stability as a whole when they are mounted on the engine block and at the same time the position of the engine is strengthened. I think that the strength of the chassis is distributed over the entire surface around, and so the delicate parts of the baffle gain significantly more stability. To stay in your imagination of psychic indications, I prefer the neurosis of a thin baffle to the paranoia of countless bracings.

A lot of people with zero risk factors are now dead or living with heart and /or lung issues they didn’t have before. You can also carry it without symptoms and pass it on to someone else who is high risk. Okay, the risk may be low to you, but it is never zero. Just seems insane to me to assume risk when you can just take a vaccine and quit thinking about it.

mRNA is the safest with the least side effects, and is the future for vaccines. Some of you have some really weird thinking on how this vaccine works.

Why do they pick these before they're ripe? It's a shame `cause they're so much better this way! Jalapenos from Amazon fresh (they were .89 for 8oz) is where I'll get them until I have my own plants producing.