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Was just in OC this morning and thought of you. Went hiking in Aliso Viejo at Aliso and Wood Canyons Wilderness Park.

Are you using a subwoofer with your La Scalas? From everything I’ve read, the Cornwalls do have a much punchier bass response than La Scalas do, but the limited LS low end is more tonally accurate than what comes out of the Cornwall. That said, for playing high-energy music, even at low volumes, La Scalas really do need the help of a sub. If you like to listen at louder volume levels, a second subwoofer is worth considering, for a consistent soundfield throughout your room as much as for increased volume. At high levels, it might also be possible to hear and appreciate the lower distortion that you get from two subs instead of one. I’d suggest adding a sub or two before doing any more mods to your Scalas. They are what they are, with clear and strong minds and highs, but limited bass response. Reducing the squawker output does reduce the shoutiness that’s sometimes encountered. It was certainly true in the case of my 1970s La Scalas. Doing that, and replacing the old caps and replacing the tweeters with the Crites CT125 units was all it took to make those Scalas much more pleasant to listen to, now allowing for hours of music enjoyment. I reduced the squawker output with a triple layer of thin grille cloth, but the effect was the same as lowering the squawkers’ output at the crossovers. Those were the simple tweaks that seemed to have the most noticeable improvements per dollar. Later, I bought a pair of K510 horns and K-69-A drivers, plus an E/V Dx-38 electronic processor/crossover and a second Yamaha power amp to match the one I already had, and soon the speakers became 510 JubScalas. That set of mods turned good speakers into great speakers, but they still needed a subwoofer to fill out the bottom two octaves. I chronicled all that in another post, so I won’t repeat it here. The bottom line is that modern recordings, with their ability to cover the full range of musical frequencies, need and deserve a speaker system that’s capable of reproducing every note of the music that’s in them, fully and accurately. At least one hi-if magazine purist writer (from The Absolute Sound, possibly) had his mind changed when he finally took the time to seriously listen to a sound system with a fully and properly integrated subwoofer (or maybe two subs. I don’t exactly recall) in it. He found that the effects of the sub reached all the way into the midrange, giving a depth and authority to the sound that he hadn’t realize was missing. As well, with orchestral music recorded with the whole orchestra in one room at the same time, the subwoofer provided subtle cues to the size and even shape of the performance space. He was amazed, as you might expect, and became a serious subwoofer fan that day.

I had the Lascala in another apartment a little closer together because the room was a bit narrower, as in your photo. Both in the other apartment and now, where the speakers are a further apart, the sound was/is excellent. I personally do not need a subwoofer. The natural and powerful sound reproduction does not need a sub. Of course, the bass is not very deep, but the Lascala never sound thin or if something would be missing. The tones of a double bass are extremely natural. Voices and the midrange are the absolute strength of the Lascala. The K400 connects seamlessly to the bass...all of a piece. The low E string of the double bass is not quite reached but it does not harm the wonderful musical enjoyment. Perhaps the secret lies in the fact that although the horn mercilessly stops supporting at higher basses, you can still feel the low notes, albeit more quietly. It is not a brutal cut but a gentle creeping out of the bass because you can sense direct bass through the doghouse. The ear reacts sensitively to abrupt cut offs but it forgives very benevolently a steady drop in sound energy. I would also always leave my Lascala as they are, no calming by bracing the side walls, no sterilization. Wes Montgomery, Chet Baker and Vladimir Horowitz visit you at home. BTW of all things piano, the Lascala is the master of piano reproduction...and I know a great many speakers. I have a pretty good piano in the next room, piano music is via the Lascalas authentic especially in the left hand very real (in the right hand anyway). This photo I took just now.

Awaiting the Tsunami. Nothing so far.

I meant this thread to be respectful to forum members who are no longer with us. Can we keep it that way please? Thanks.

Yes, around here, they are eating small dogs out of folks back yards and on hikes. They are a problem. I have a simple solution, I won't state it here, use your imagination.

This past Monday's sunset colors.

Alright you two! JLP & Sanborn it is! Talked to @ClaudeJ1a couple times lately bout this sub. First call was how's it sounding, play w/the EQ on it yet, a couple "I told ya so's" from the resident "bass man" here. Me thinks he's skoolin me... 😂 He was such a tease so Friday evening I decided to see if I could blow things up. 😂 Holy crap what a difference! Got to bed about 4 then again about 4 this morning. Yea, I'm workin night shift now thanks to him. 😂 Incredible sound stage and it's diggin deep in an entirely different way! Atta boy Claude!

Here is what the FTC requires, so I'm wondering if the specs from BCC are in compliance with that (the emphasis, bold and underlining is mine). § 432.3 Standard test conditions. For purposes of performing the tests necessary to make the disclosures required under § 432.2 of this part: (a) The power line voltage shall be 120 volts AC (230 volts when the equipment is made for foreign sale or use, unless a different nameplate rating is permanently affixed to the product by the manufacturer in which event the latter figure would control), RMS, using a sinusoidal wave containing less than 2 percent total harmonic content. In the case of equipment designed for battery operation only, tests shall be made with the battery power supply for which the particular equipment is designed and such test voltage must be disclosed under the required disclosures of § 432.2 of this part. If capable of both AC and DC battery operation, testing shall be with AC line operation; (b) The AC power line frequency for domestic equipment shall be 60 Hz and 50 Hz for equipment made for foreign sale or use; (c) The amplifier shall be preconditioned by simultaneously operating all channels at one-eighth of rated power output for one hour using a sinusoidal wave at a frequency of 1,000 Hz; provided, however, that for amplifiers utilized as a component in a self-powered subwoofer system, the sinusoidal wave used as a preconditioning signal may be any frequency within the amplifier's intended operating bandwidth that will allow the amplifier to be driven to one-eighth of rated power for one hour; (d) The preconditioning and testing shall be in still air and an ambient temperature of at least 77 °F (25 °C); (e) Rated power shall be obtainable at all frequencies within the rated power band without exceeding the rated maximum percentage of total harmonic distortion after input signals at said frequencies have been continuously applied at full rated power for not less than five (5) minutes at the amplifier's auxiliary input, or if not provided, at the phono input. (f) At all times during warm-up and testing, tone loudness-contour and other controls shall be preset for the flattest response. [39 FR 15387, May 3, 1974, as amended at 65 FR 81240, Dec. 22, 2000] § 432.4 Optional disclosures. Other operating characteristics and technical specifications not required in § 432.2 of this part may be disclosed: Provided: (a) That any other power output is rated by the manufacturer, is expressed in minimum watts per channel, and such power output representation(s) complies with the provisions of § 432.2 of this part; except that if a peak or other instantaneous power rating, such as music power or peak power, is represented under this section, the maximum percentage of total harmonic distortion (see § 432.2(d) of this part) may be disclosed only at such rated output: And provided further, (b) That all disclosures or representations made under this section are less conspicuously, and prominently made than the disclosures required in § 432.2 of this part; and (c) The rating and testing methods or standards used in determining such representations are disclosed, and well known and generally recognized by the industry at the time the representations or disclosures are made, are neither intended nor likely to deceive or confuse the consumers and are not otherwise likely to frustrate the purpose of this part.

I don't know why I spend so much time on other forums when.....I love Klipsch! 50/50 between HT and music......the evolution of the theater build is shared here. Current equipment: HK AVR7200 ||| RF7ii's • RF64ii • R-5800W's • RS52ii's • single RW-12 replaced DEAD dual RW12d's ||| Panasonic AE3000U (upgrade soon) ||| DIY screen ||| White Lightning Moonshine Cables Looking to get to an Auro 3D-compatible setup soon. Equipment research has begun....

For once would like to see, "Those are too close for me!'

Klipsch recommends that with Klipschorns, the minimum ceiling height should be 8-1/2 feet, and more is probably better. Since they’re a tall speaker, with low ceilings the tweeter and squawker can be closer to the ceiling than to the floor, which is not ideal. As well, do you have corners into which K-horns can fit tightly? Those are the only restrictions that I’m aware of, other than that it takes a certain distance for the sound of the three drivers to integrate, so it’s best if you can sit at least 12-15 feet from them. They’re definitely not for near-field listening. So if your house satisfies those requirements, you’re all set for K-horns, but those rules can be restrictive enough that some K-horn fans will keep them in mind when looking for a house to buy, since many houses are not “Klipschorn friendly”. That said, if you’re planning to move within a year or two, some K-horn fans would go ahead and buy them, knowing they’ll be in a more suitable room within a reasonable time. Hope this is helpful.

"Ebonics"? Could you be just slightly more racist? And then those that thank you for that? Wow. @Travis In Austin

thank YOU for noticing members have been saying this for years

Even the Pope likes vinyl... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pope-caught-camera-making-unannounced-stop-rome-record-store-rcna12276

During years of riding and driving fast, I found that certain offences might get a warning, because you might be able to sort of justify it, like speeding in certain places at certain times, mainly. However, I never did anything that was totally unjustifiable, that there was never an excuse for, like running a red light or a stop sign, or speeding in a school zone, or anything else like that. Attempting to explain away things like that would have felt so phoney and ludicrous that I would just not do those things, and therefore never put myself in that position.

And the rest of that release is even better "Lotus Blossom" right after that was the one that caused me to get that one recorded!

That track has some forceful Sax playing

My wife has a 12 hr shift... 8-8 today. I'm driving... We have had steady rain overnight and it's supposed to be snow when I pick her up tonight. She's done well learning to drive over the past 10 years but driving in bad weather makes her nervous.

Hey Paul, along with the JLP this guy was on the air a lot and plays a mean saxophone. Still good on a Sunday also!

Same with me I was drawn to it the first time I heard it and it’s the only album by Jean Luc in the collection I use a few of the tracks on my holiday videos

G'day Mate! I'm up way early today... since 2am, it's now 5:30. That Jean-Luc is the only one of his that I have and it is still great after all these years. Only had a few years exposure to jazz on a Sunday evening radio show and that was one I picked up because of that!

I am spinning 2 albums now A somewhat rare album from the early 70s followed by one from the late 70s Both in a similar genre and a mixture of jazz, fusion, Prog ,electronic Album 1 Artist - Catapilla Title Catapilla Album ID - https://www.discogs.com/release/4223884-Catapilla-Catapilla Album 2 Artist - Jean-Luc Ponty Title - Cosmic Messenger Album ID - https://www.discogs.com/release/972549-Jean-Luc-Ponty-Cosmic-Messenger

Right, and my 50% paid off mortgage 10 minutes or less from the sand in Redondo Beach is more than 1k less than that. We just bought last year. We are doing OK here I think.

Youngest lives in Phoenix and that place is nuts. 5 days out there was enough for me. 75-80 everywhere, lines for everything everywhere. I wanted the back seat but sucked it up like a real man in the front seat. Buckled up & helmet on watching all the scenery go flying by. I was glad to get back to Duckburg!

Well, New York is out. .. Damm near the same crap

What are you smoking tonight? Will you share it? I want in

I live in the DEVILS state. I can't say things out loud or ill be locked away forever... I need to leave this state ASAP. That's my problem...

Be patient and wait for a 105 or a 105D. Definite upgrade across-the-board.

No need to change unless you find a really good deal. The Cornwalls look like they were made for your room.

It's kind of ironic that such a legendary speaker has a bass limit equal to many bookshelf speakers, while most of the floorstanding non-Heritage series Klipsch speakers can play lower. Of course, it's a different sound, and the new Heresy IV attempts to mitigate that yet even porting the Heresy IV cabinet doesn't get the Heresy into the sub-40Hz range, that even the lowest tiered, least expensive Klipsch floorstander can reach. Heck; in the brochure for the kg series speakers, it makes mention of using their passive subwoofer, the kg SW, to augment the bass output of the Heresy II's, bringing it down to 38Hz. To Klipsch's defense, when the Heresy was introduced, there was little music which reached lower than the Heresy's limitations. It's still a great speaker, in a reasonable room-sized package.

@Travis In Austin, sorry to bother and hope all is well? If you have a, minute, can you please clean this thread up for OP? Thanks

There's a local guy with a pair that he say's are nice, late 70's I think all original. I actually tried to trade him the Cornwalls and a restored(by Terry DeWick, no less) McIntosh MC2120 and he said it wasn't enough😅 I'm patient, because believe me when I say I'm not suffering with my present set up.

Lucked out again didn't ya. Experiments??? Say it ain't so! While she's nappin and you out in the doghouse???

She was watching some cooking shows. Said she was going to the kitchen It was too quiet. I found her taking a nap. I don't have any experiments to eat. Thank you

Oh yeah. Mountain lions are all over there as well rattlesnakes, tons of rabbits and our good local friends, the coyotes.

I spoke with Gil Thursday and just finished a trip to Chicago to pick up some things. Thankfully Joe helped me load and was nice enough to drive to the suburbs and help me unload as well. I was able to grab the McIntosh gear, walnut Forte, and (3) walnut Belles. Along with several woofers crossovers, etc. I will discuss with Gil how to proceed and what to sell. I told Gil I can hold onto some of this stuff for a while until he figures out where he will be living after rehab. I wasn't able to fit the homemade La Scala bass bins, the homemade k-horn/jubilee style bass bins, or the wooden horns. The khorn/jubilee style do not need corners. There were also some homemade risers for the Forte ~12" tall. If you are interested and able to pick these up this weekend downtown Chicago please PM ASAP. They will be clearing out the apartment Monday. Again, if you wish to contact Gil, please PM me. He would love to hear from people. He trying to change facilities, but Joe will keep me updated if his contact info changes.

Cool. Whoa, there's Deer in the OC. Didn't know that anything bigger than a raccoon still exists in these parts.

From what I am reading here I would just purchase a pair of 8 ohm L-pads at Parts Express. Impedance of a speaker can vary a lot when in use.

If he got sent to the doghouse at least he's got a good one!

I thought forum rules for Garage Sale forum was no discussion RE: price. If you want to talk price, do it with a PM.

Now I really want them! 😇

Scares me... Could be interesting. Kittens, ironing sarongs, workin in the kitchen, stackin wood, maybe a run to do some fishin... Somethings going on for sure. 😂

Some previous basses. Godin A4 fretless, chambered maple body with a western red cedar top. L.R. Baggs under saddle pickup. Very nice but I never quite gelled with it. It’s moved on to a good home. 1977 Fender Jazz Bass. Active Seymour Duncan pickups. the absolute best fret job I’ve ever played on a bass courtesy of Bruce Bennett. Even though I tripled my money on this one, I still kick myself for letting it go.

Yes. We have a special team (er, teams) trained in esoteric arts, maneuver, and other arcane skills, which we employ from time-to-time in furtherance of The Dialogue, that aspect of the Forum which employs oddballs, characters and borderline geniuses in pursuit of the Ultimate Sound.

These rules would seem to indicate that the La Scala would work in this room.

PLACEMENT Your La Scala Loudspeakers will perform well in a variety of locations but best results will be achieved using the following general guidelines: • Place on a common wall 6 to 15 feet apart. • Position them equidistant from the wall behind the speakers. Equidistant height above the floor with the high frequency drivers at seated ear height if wall or cabinet mounted. • Angle speakers toward the listener and even with or forward of any adjacent obstructions. • Placing them near a corner or wall provides the greatest amount of bass while moving the speakers away from room boundaries reduces bass energy. • Asymmetrical placement of a pair of speakers from adjacent side walls can smooth room-induced bass unevenness. • Experiment with the above guidelines to suit your taste and to compensate for your room's acoustic characteristics.

It's off-topic to the issue of whether the Carver amp puts out the power they claim. But I thought it was interesting, in another context, that even with testing you need to really know what doing certain things on the analyzer do to the results. Even I could understand this and was a little surprised about this: Here is what Langston @Langstonwas saying: Interesting. Striking similarities between my scope measurements of the miniDSP amp. The ASR guy has a $35k APx-555 with a 1MHz bandwidth. My APx-515 has a 96kHz bandwidth and measurement of devices with significant ultrasonic output can cause slew induced distortion in the analog input stages. This is a fact for the analog input of ANY analyzer that is exposed to high level signals or noise above its passband. Thus I use an external low-pass filter designed for these kinds of measurements when using the APx-515. No need to bother with this external filter with my 200MHz scope, which is what I used to start this thread. ASR didn't need the external filter because his analyzer can handle the 450kHz slew, BUT he did engage a 40kHz AES-17 filter (internal option for all AP analyzers*) to suppress the ultrasonic garbage in his results as shown here. This is an 8th order filter, thus the ASR measurement of the ultrasonic noise is wildly understated. The use of the AES-17 filter for digital audio type measurement is like grading on a curve - it gives the garbage producers better results with the excuse that "nobody can hear that stuff anyway". Of course we can't hear it directly, but we do hear the flat/hard results that are likely the result of it through aliasing and/or other mechanisms.

That's like saying every V8 should be more powerful than every V6. 🙄