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I have been a member since 2013 and as @MicroMara mentioned - I initially joined for technical content Posting many of my DIY projects over the years Finally settled down and posting the music I enjoy and love in 3 formats - vinyl, CD , digital / video - discovering new music every day, many like minded members (to many to mention) joined in. Along the way making friends and friendships all over the world and have become an ambassador for OSU football that @Dave1291 introduced me to Yes it’s still fun4 points
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One thing I always really enjoy about this forum, besides all the help and useful information, is reading about other people's experiences.This time, I thought I’d contribute my part; I’m on summer holliday and have some time, so here’s my story about the Underground Jubilee. For those who aren’t interested in a lengthy (because it will be) ramble, this is your chance to spend your time in a more meaningful way. For those still here, welcome... I hope my writing is at least somewhat enjoyable to read. **Background:** Let me start with a bit of background to clarify where I come from in terms of audio. Many years ago, I began with the RF3, which later became the RF2. After hearing the Forte 2 and a La Scala, I knew for sure that I needed to own the La Scala as well. However, these speakers aren’t exactly common in the Netherlands, but I managed to find a pair of AL3s in Belgium. Unfortunately, I didn’t get to enjoy them for very long. My passion for audio and Klipsch faded after a failed upgrade of my Dynaco ST70, which dulled the sound. At that time, I didn’t have the resources to solve this, and as a result, my passion for audio and Klipsch waned. The La Scala went into the garage, and I spent years listening to a Sonos system (shame on me). But as they say, blood is thicker than water, and after years of treating music as mere background noise, the desire for more immersive sound returned. I managed to get a good deal on a pair of Heresy 2s, and with that, Pandora's box was opened again. 😁 The passion came back, Klipsch remained my kind of sound, and soon I followed up with the Chorus 1, the CW3, then traded the AL3 and CW3 for the CW4. Of course, it could always be better, so hop, onto the AL5... and now, for the past few weeks, my endgame speakers, the Underground Jubilee. **Acknowledgments:** Now I’d like to take a moment to thank two people for making it possible for me to own the UJ. First, @KT88, for his patience in providing information and assistance, for facilitating the deal, and for not selling his UJ to the highest bidder online, but instead offering them to me at a very fair asking price. And @mikebse2a3, who greatly helped me with his knowledge, patiently answered all my questions (and there were quite a few), and provided insights and knowledge. Thank you, gentlemen! **The Purchase:** The UJ first came into my sights when I purchased someone’s 45 SET amp. This person also had the UJ, and half-jokingly, I said, "If you ever decide to part with them, please contact me first." Knowing how rare these speakers are in Europe and how unlikely it is that they would ever be sold. Months later, I received a message offering the UJ due to the purchase of other speakers. Naturally, I was super enthusiastic—this was a unique opportunity. What I considered to be a once-in-a-lifetime chance... But it was also quite daunting. My knowledge is still at a beginner’s level, and these are definitely not plug-and-play speakers. What if I couldn’t get the DSP box set up correctly? What if I didn’t receive help through this forum? What if I couldn’t get the speakers to sound right and ended up losing my passion again? I had already experienced with the AL5 that a better speaker in the Heritage line doesn’t automatically mean it will sound better in your home. Eventually, I managed to get the AL5 to sound amazing, but it took some work. So, what if I couldn’t get these working in my living room? Could I sell these speakers if needed without suffering too much financial loss? As you can see, I had many uncertainties. I saw a lot of obstacles... but the UJ!!! Come on, I couldn’t pass up such an opportunity because of a few doubts! This is unique... I wasn’t going to walk away just because I didn’t dare take a gamble! **Research and Decision:** What followed was a lot of reading and researching on the internet and reaching out to forum members with questions. How does the AL5 compare to the UJ? Is the UJ really better than the AL5? How difficult is it to set up the DSP box? Unfortunately, it wasn't possible to listen to the AL5 and the UJ side by side. Due to uncertainties and other factors, I hesitated to close the deal—too much money was involved, and for me, there were too many obstacles... Shit... However... KT88 was busy in the meantime and had acquired a Khorn somewhere. Now, owning the La Scala, Khorn, and the UJ apparently gave him enough motivation to make a choice. Suddenly, there was a message from KT88 asking if I might be interested in taking over his UJ and its accessories. He knew about my previous interest in the other UJ and understood that my interest in these speakers was still there. And so it happened that I was presented with a fantastic offer, both in terms of the package and the asking price. The UJ, TAD 4002, Faital drivers with passive X-over, original K69 driver, and the Yamaha 2060 DSP. An offer I simply couldn't refuse—truly a unique opportunity, in my opinion. And so, after some waiting, a German van drove into the street with KT88 at the wheel (he even delivered them) with his van filled with goodies. It was great to finally meet KT88 in person after weeks of communicating via PM. He’s a very calm and friendly man who did his utmost to leave everything in perfect condition, connected, and set up. He spent a few hours working on this, and I was immensely grateful, as I think it would have been a tough job for me due to my lack of proper knowledge. Shout out to KT88 **The Experience:** And then, suddenly, they were in my room. I always thought the AL5 were very large speakers, but the UJ makes the AL5 look small. These speakers are visually imposing. Pffff... I still chuckle sometimes when I see them standing there. The UJ with TAD 4002... how much better could it get?? Wow... And now that’s in my house!! But somewhere, I also miss the appearance of the AL5. I really thought they were beautiful speakers with their veneer finish and design. I saw them as pieces of furniture in my living room, eye-catchers... Often, I would walk by and let my hand glide over the top of the speaker, making contact with my love for audio and Klipsch. I was also proud to own them. These were, in fact, my endgame speakers. Maybe I would add a Heritage sub next to them, but they weren't going anywhere. And now this stands in the living room!!! Ok, I knew in advance that they have a different look, and I had also planned to work on the UJ's appearance if everything sounded good. My idea was to recreate the HJ look but slightly narrower. But until then, they are enormous black boxes that do nothing good for the aesthetics of the living room... **How Do They Sound?** So, how do they perform? How does the UJ sound compared to the AL5? First, I want to say that through my experience climbing the Heritage ladder, I’ve noticed that each speaker has its own unique sound. At first, I thought the Chorus would sound like a Heresy, just with more bass. Now, I have to say that I found the tonal difference between the Heresy and the Chorus the least noticeable, apart from the fuller sound. But for example, the CW4 or the AL5, I find to be really different tonally. You recognize the Klipsch roots, but the CW4 sounds bright to me and has a more modern sound, whereas the AL5 had a slightly darker sound, with a huge midrange that also has a delightful kick and punch. The UJ, again, sounds very different from the AL5. Somewhere, it was quite naive of me, but I had assumed beforehand that the sound would be somewhat like the AL5, just with more and deeper bass. No... the UJ simply sounds very different. This took some getting used to for me. I had become very familiar with the AL5 sound, which I loved. And now, suddenly, it was gone. I could tell that these speakers had much more potential than the AL5 in every way, but because the amplifiers were not yet properly matched, and I was initially using the wrong amplifiers, and because I still had to get used to the different sound, I didn’t immediately get that WOW feeling. Well, I did have a WOW feeling because these speakers can create an enormous amount of sound and a grand soundstage. They were definitely impressive. But the sense of being drawn into the music, which the AL5 did so well, was missing. I caught myself skipping tracks in the first few days rather than listening to them all the way through because I wasn’t being drawn in as much. The UJ made me feel a bit restless, whereas with the AL5, I could just zen out in pure bliss. Gradually, with a lot of help from Heinz and Mike, they started to sound better. First of all, I’m convinced that despite my large living room, I have a lot of acoustic issues. Initially, the bass sounded boomy and dominant here. After finding a better amplifier combination, properly adjusting the balance between the amplifiers, and using the DSpeaker anti-mode 2 (which made a world of difference for me), the UJ started to sound more musical. Gradually, I also began to get more accustomed to the different sound, and soon came the first evenings where I was really enjoying myself. There was even one evening where I was so emotionally drawn into the music that I started to tear up... something that had never happened before. **Final Thoughts:** Now, several weeks later, I can give a better comparison of the UJ vs. AL5. I’m still not completely there, especially in terms of the holographic imaging, which I believe can still be improved, but the UJ sounds grand. It sounds grand and full of energy. It’s truly impressive. The UJ can create a real wall of sound. Additionally, the speaker sounds very clear. Much clearer than the AL5. I really had to get used to this clear sound, as the AL5 had a somewhat darker tone (at least that’s what I think). You also hear much more detail. Electric guitars, cymbals, they sound rich and full. The bass is much more present than with the AL5, which also took some getting used to for me. I’m not a basshead, so at first, I turned down the bass a bit in the DSpeaker settings. But the bass is full, has punch, and goes deeper. After getting used to it and fine-tuning, I’m very happy with how the bass now sounds compared to the AL5. The UJ outperforms the AL5 in every aspect. The only thing the AL5 did very well in this living room was giving the feeling that the band was really in front of you, that they were live in the living room. Unfortunately, I still get this feeling less with the UJ. However, I attribute this not to the speaker but to my acoustics (which is still a subject I need to work on) and further fine-tuning. Sometimes, I still get some sharp/harsh edges in the music that are annoying. But that's not a deal breaker, something that should be solvable one way or another. I also feel that a bit more warmth in the midrange would be more pleasant. This could very well be the result of my adjustment to the AL5 sound, but for now, it would be welcome. I still have a way to go to get these speakers to sound just right. I knew this beforehand—they aren’t plug-and-play speakers, but that’s okay. This is part of the hobby. As long as I don’t hit a wall due to lack of knowledge and skill, I have every hope that I will get there. For example, I’m currently working with REW and a Umik 1 microphone, and I think there’s still room for improvement there as well. I consider myself incredibly fortunate that this opportunity came my way and I’m extremely grateful, just as I am for all the help I’ve received. To those who managed to keep reading until this point, thank you for your interest, and I hope it was somewhat entertaining to follow along with my journey. Flevoman3 points
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Well it's that time again, if interested it is the next few nights, the 11 - 13. They say it should be visible as early as 10 PM with somewhere between 50 and 100 per hour. Well that's the guess anyway.3 points
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Looks like 10 years for me I was a lurker for 5 before that looking for tech advice repairing / restoring Craigslist finds. Really liked the DIY scene that was here and got into it myself and have had lots of fun in the process. As of now really enjoying my Chorus II / ki-396 II hybrids but seriously considering getting rid of all my "stuff" and just getting a set of Cornwall IV's 😱 Hope we all enjoy many more years of KIipsch entertainment!2 points
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A couple of obscure CDs that none of my friends have or even heard of them ‘More to come in later posts 😎🤘 Both by Frank Zappa2 points
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I am still a young chick here, since December 2019. Initially I was mainly interested in the technical content, but I gave up because it's pointless to give anyone technical advice. In the end, everyone does what they think is right anyway. Since then I've kept a low profile and have found friends in the Lounge from America, Australia and Europe with whom I exchange , especially in the Vinyl Record Spinning thread from @Full Range Still makes fun .......2 points
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REDUCED! Klipsch Chorus I in Oiled Oak. Very good condition. Upgraded Bob Crites titanium tweeters, Klipsch factory midrange titanium diaphragms from Simply Speakers, and Bob Crites “Gold” crossover rebuild kit with Sonicaps. Will include the original tweeters, midrange, and a set of new “original” caps from JEM Performance Audio so you can go back to original if you choose. These speakers look and sound amazing. We are downsizing and these are in excess of my needs. Located in So Cal (San Diego) Asking $1000 Michael1 point
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Thanks! I don't post much. Been reading for years though...1 point
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I sold the UJ with a heavy heart. But we will be moving to a new smaller apartment in the next two years, all the children are grown up and two of the three will still be with us for another year or two until they have finished their studies. Because it is incredibly expensive to rent your own apartment as a student here in Cologne. But they have their own life here (and Diana and me as well😀) because it is really plenty of space for everyone. After that, I won't be able to set up the UJ anymore. I've had so much fun with it since 2008...which is a frighteningly long time, OMG, time flies and I will never forget the answer from Roy @Chief bonehead to my request that I wrote in 2008. "I will see how to get you a pair of Jubilees". I have kept the mail from Roy. It was not just speakers, it was an absolute event to acquire the UJ. @mikebse2a3 helped me so much back then with all his knowledge and all his unconditional warmth, just as he is now helping Melvin @Flevoman with his AL5 and the UJ (ok, I do a little bit too). Mike from Tennessee had suggested to Roy in 2008 that I should also be included in the UJ group, and so it was that I was in Hope AR in September 2009. The acquisition of the UJ was far more than the purchase of loudspeakers. I found a very friendly company in Hope, even though some people initially thought... what does this guy from Germany want here. In the end it was very, very warm. I am still in a very fruitful exchange with Mike from Tennessee and the other Mike from Chicago @DrWho here in the forum, has become a friend for life, who has been with us a few times, who came to Germany especially for my 60th birthday five years ago and whose wedding in Portugal two years ago my wife and I were invited to. That is so much more and very emotional what the UJ means to me. Once again, I am delighted that Melvin has taken over. @babadono At the beginning of June, I bought a beautifully preserved Khorn from 1973 in Italy. It's my baby at the moment and I'm restoring it little by little. I'll open a thread about it when I've reached the first stage. Please do not reply or ask about it here. This is Melvin's thread. I thought it was better to give the UJ to good hands now than to wait until the end. It makes me happy to know that Melvin is a successor who appreciates it.1 point
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A ton of thanks goes out to Mike @Rowan611! He sold me the Heresy pair that he inherited from his father about 10 years ago. They are my new surround speakers, replacing a pair of RS-7s. I did what I've done to my Heresy LCR: opened them up, loosened and tightened all the screws in the crossover to ensure a good connection. I had a ton of 3/8" wide speaker gasket foam from Parts Express left over so I sealed the backs of both of them as well. That's all I'm going to do to them, at least for now. I adjusted their output level to match them with everything else and put on Star Wars IX to test them out. It was a definite improvement in overall blending of sound from front to surround. I believe these are considered Heresy 1.5 since they have the E-2 crossover and K-53-K midrange so they aren't exactly the same as my LCR with K-55-V midrange and E crossover. But, they sound fantastic and I can't wait to listen to some multichannel music on them! Extremely happy that I finally have my 5 Heresys! 😀1 point
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Yes, everything is still set up the same. I watched part of the new Planet of the Apes last night. Amazing bass and surround effects. The panning back and forth is completely seamless.1 point
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This thread really devolved into a shitshow, but I don't care cause I just added a pair of T9/x subs to my Cornwall IVs and it's incredible. I tried both input methods and decided I got more output with high level and just better speed.1 point
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Congratulations and good luck with your new Hershey speakers, i’ve been using the klipsch heritage models probably for 30 years. I believe I follow your information. What I’m trying to understand is why would you want to put 200 W of the amplifier on a pair of Hershey’s but I believe you’re also speaking of more than likely running your subwoofer, if you ever get a chance put that pair of Hershey on a decent tube amplifier one of decent quality with good output transformers those speakers always seem to be their best. They like to see an output transformer. There’s nothing wrong with solid state but with those particular speakers , you’re getting into a whole different area if you get a chance to do so you’ll see exactly what I’m saying. Well, you’ll hear it first. Good luck and happy listening. , an SET AMP Really does sound unbelievable however , a nice little EL-34 amp would be a natural most made in heaven. It’s something you would really have to hear to see exactly what I’m saying. Congratulations you’re in the game. The only other thing that I personally would do check your crossovers out and just make sure all your capacitors are still up to spec. I have a pair of subwoofers and I very rarely even turn them on unless I really wanna rock out, 👍😂🤷♂️ note/ this reply was all text. Talk through an iPhone sorry for any inconsistencies any complaints call apple. 🤷♂️1 point
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2003 for me. A year after a couple guys and I started Audiokarma. Then Roy's first meeting to show off the original Jubs.1 point
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Its so interesting how many people on this Forum think that only horn loaded subs sound good. My HSU DR sub sounded good but the REL S812 sounds MUCH better to my ears. PLENTY of fast clean and deep bass that blends perfectly with my Forte IVs. Interesting how many people that have never heard a high level connected REL Sub assume that all DR subs suck!!!! LOL1 point
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Hey Mark. Already taking care of them! Exactly why I sold them to you. I hope you enjoy them for many more years. There is a small part of me that misses just having them. But, I’m glad they’re being put to good use. I really do need to get up to your house and listen to your room. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk1 point
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