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IMHO, Doubt if the Krell & Klipsch would be agood marriage. Krell does better for Lower efficiency speakers.. Low power amps..especially those with a warm sound, go with Klipsch the best

hi richinlr Nice review.. I own a RF3II and understand about what you say about the midrange..especially when compared to a Spendor/quad.. But i am a bit surprised ath the difference..never felt it to be too bad, thiugh that is definitely not th strngth of a reference series. (Its strengths are the highs and the BASS. I still have not heard the triangles played as well in any other speaker save the Avant Garde Duos which of course are $$$$) One reason for tyour disappointment could be the kind of amplification. Due to the high sensitivity , it is the first few watts (Or milliwatts) which make the difference. Even your EC amp, since it drives planar might not really have the kind of control required in that initial few watts. perhaps thats the reason why Tubes are the "Weapons of Choice" here ! I used to run these earlier first with a 80W onkyo (Pretty bad !) then a 50W NAD320 much better but not too good with Vocals. Now I have moved to a Sugden A21a - 25W Pure ClassA British Handbuilt amp..and the midrage is really really Good. I never really like female vocals before and now all that has changed BTW the I have heard the Electrocompaniet EMC up cd player..ant that is on my Must have list..really smooth and very controlled. Handles dynamics with such Grace !

If you are looking for Musical subs..dont think klipsch should be your choice, especially with the heritage series. Musical subs cost serious money..try the RELs, Vandesteens, The Baggtoussels, Linn Sizmik, Martin Logan etc Klipsh subs are Great for HT where high SPLs are required...

---------------- On 4/26/2004 11:05:11 AM Colin wrote: What can I say Sheltie, those Iraqis are barbarians; any culture without Dixie-land, jazz, blues, and Rock N Roll is clearly behind the times ---------------- Well..Arabic music has its very fine points and nuances..and surprisingly can sound very similiar to R&B as well as country music . Infact the stringed instrument..dont remember the name..and the guitar share a similiar ancestor..the Lute..and that has 8 strings(Or is it more...dont remember !!) to the 6 which the guitar has.. Hence I definitely would not call that Barbaric

that is why there is a difference between typical audiophile terms like soundstaging , Transpareccy...Blah blah and pure musicality. Music is not about the sounds you hear ..but about the emotions that it evokes..and the above need not be tied down to each other. you can see folks on an ordinary discman with the el cheapo headphones actually singing along and enjoying the music and at the same time the owner of a 100,000 system..playing only one test disc after another trying to check all aspects of the systems...and just by the time he gets it "right" the next version is reviewed in the magazine and upgaditis strikes ! Of course the above may be extremes but all of us fall somewhere in between the above two.. the important thing is to know where one is...and more importantly to understand that another person, just because he is in a different position in the above "spectrum" is not stupid. it is HIS preference to music which very well could be different

a Hearty Welcome Amy, As far as a year back I used to frequent this forum a lot land had learnt a lot from it..in fact my foray into 2 channel was purely due to this ..but the past few months have been really pathetic. any one has a different point a few and a one set of folks would pounce..with the resuilt that I was in other forums most of the time with only a weekly visit..and invariably get disgusted by some of the stuff. What I liked about this earlier was that any "Klipsch" charecteristic would be analysed and a very objective view given..even differences were actually discussed in an adult later this became pure mayhem with accusations and childish/boorish behaviour !. Hope you can manage to get this back to a "nice" and mature forum which one feels like visiting regularly.. So welcome again

Agree fully with Piranha. would make sense to go for a Tube Pre first as a tube Amp with SS Pre might not really get you what you expect from a tube setup.. Or else get a nice tune Int amp..

There are a group of people who excusively listen only to headphones saying that gives them the "Purest" form of music. The idea has some merit as that is one way of eliminating Room acoustics/reflections which play a big factor in what we hear.. Personally do not like the idea of being tied down with a wire round my neck tho as in speakers we hae the Value for money range and then the Sheer Opulance range...I guess these fall into the latter category..

well..as in all things Hifi Tubes/SS doent matter what matters is implementation you have tubes sounding like SS amps (ie a bit grainy or with good Bass Slam) as well as SS amps sounding like Tubes..very smooth. Hence permutation combinations are endless ! Another way to go foraward might be to get a CD player with a Tube Output and a SS amp. I personally have found that to be the best combination of the two worlds. And if you can get a Class A amp..even if low power (you will NEV ER need more than 10 amps for your Khorn !)..you'l have music to die for.. Reco's for CD players : Shanling, Consonance, Ah! tjoeb,Jolida .... Amps: My personal favourite is the Sugden A21A or Bijou ..but there are others like Musical fidelity, Pass Labs etc which provide decent tubelike sound as well!!

vinylfreak, my friend, wrong forum to post this...if you had only ended your post with "but I still preferred by Khorns" you would have been loved here !!

Actually even a Cheap sony can throw a decent soundstage...important factors to lo0k forward would be - depth - Attack (ie the first tone of the sound eg piano hit) - Decay ( eg the slow decaying of the sound of ta Cymbal) - Dynamism ie if the speaker is able to haandle fast changes in music - transparency...eg the snapping of a fingers should give you that feeling of "Flesh " rather than just a sound etc etc...

Audible differences per dollar spen it much more in the lower budget...as you go higher you may need to spend upto 10 times more for a minute difference ! Now that you have got soundstage width...try to get depth (Eg drums will sound to be behind the speakers).. as well as height..where you would approximately get a feeling of the height of the source !!

pathos Amps are good. have heard them with Sonus Fabersand were very smooth...I believe this is an italian design. For SS Amps..I cannot recommend the Sugden more, either the Classic A21a or the newer Bijou series (The Class A Amp) To me it has been a relevation and definitely a step above the Jolida 302..

Regarding future of Formats...one very interesting trend are Hard Disk transports with Digital outs...ie you buy *any* disc format...Rip in into a High Bitrate uncompressed format into a Hard disk and use a DAC to interface with your Amp. the way cthe cost of Storage space is falling, terrabyte HDD Transports with digital outs would be quit economical. than all you need is a Ripper to convert Any format to any format and play as a Jukebox with all problems like Jitter, Vibration etc playing a *Much* lower role !! Me...i wam Very happy with Redbook..could not notice that great a difference with SACD to actually buy a player as well as new remastered titles (So very few...especially of groups one would want to own) iIl wait and see...and enjoy the music in the meantime

SACD is still in its INfancy..in fact entry level SACD players are t often bested by good CDPs..which proves that we are still not getting the best out of the Redbook players ! Players from Electrocompaniet, Musical fidelity, Audio note etc certainly give a very smooth feel to Music. We are still quite far away from getting Good entry level SACD titles...agreed that it has potential..but may not make sense to invest untill it proves by selling. Infact after CD's it is Vinyl that sells and the numbers os SACD discs claimed by Philips needs to be taken with a Pinch opf Salt since many of them are Hybrid discs being bought by folks to play on Redbook CDP's !!