wheelman

Has anyone experienced the denon avr683 i can get it real cheap for 195$.

How about this guys a denon avr-683 80watter for 194.95$ Sounds pretty good because i need a and b mains for my deck and i could save some coin to get my klipsch surrounds.

Can you run seperate mains out to a deck without adding an amplifier?

I'm starting to think i might try onkyo because of the money and they have a and b main speakers so i can play music on my deck. Is onkyo pretty honest to their watts? Another thing i could do is by an hk seperate amp and hook it to my preout on my sony for the mains. I seen one at soundcity for 250 it look like it had good specs for the money. It was a four channel but bridgable. Dont really no anything about seperates though. The only problem is i wouldn't have high current to every channel for surround sound which i love to. The new onkyo 601 is 85 watts per channel it has 6.1 dts discrete and powered dual room source output with 192 dacs for all channels. You really can get into the money for an hk with powered dual room source. If onkyo is honest about their watts you cannot go wrong with them for the money.

yeah i guess i pretty much did

The sony definetly gets loud enough it just has a harsh top end. I looked for those hk's are they stereo receivers or home theater receivers. I am looking for a hometheater receiver that sounds good for music.

i need it for hometheater to. So your saying the hk will be loud enough for hometheater. You mean the sound quality is that good compared to denon but is it loud enough for the metallica boys?

now the harman kardon avr325 is the running at 559$ No opions anybody on any of these products.

I am looking for a reciever for around 500 buckaroos. I've got it down to three receivers the hk avr225 the onkyo tx sr 601 (new) denon avr-683 (295$) at reliable audio video or the denon avr-1803 (500$) at crutchfield. The 601 and 1803 have discrete 6.1 which i dont even know if i would use this because my systems already 5.1 and just painted my walls and it has a really good clean look this way. As for the harman kardan it looks great but i dont know if it would be enough watts for how loud i like to play my music. Now with the new metallica album coming out i cant wait to here that on a high current amp with my klipsch sf-2's. Also i here the harmon typically has more amps going on so it can suck more juice for demanding music and soundtracks but will it still keep up with the new onkyo witch is rated at 85 watts high current low impedance wrat technology and the denons 80 watts high current. The only brand i heard was a onkyo 500 which sounded really good but not loud enough it turned these older jbl's i thought were really cold sounding and made them sound truly warm and amazing. Another thing which is going to be better for music because thats what i do all day is listen to music and rack my brain on which receiver to get next, but i am a huge home theater nut ive been into it since 1990. I started out with the jvc surround sound receiver which didnt have the center back then used cerwin vegas which ruled to me back then. Then i went to sony and kept uprgrading them and never really got the old sound i had. Even tried newer jvc but didn't cut it. I currently have the sony db-840 which is just about es quality it has every thing imagianable on you can eq every channel assign a different crossover to each speaker preamps out for every channel two sub outs two main speaker terminals remebers setting on absolutely every thing you do to it. That is why i am not even sure if these receiver are even an upgrade. My sony has an aluminum front panel ways alot more than the de series. It is rated 20-20000 full band width but i am not sure if it is high current the manuel says it is 100 per channel minimal at all times. The only thing i dont like is it seems a little cold on the 2 channel side of it 5.1 is truly amazing on it though i really dont even need a sub unless it truly goes down to 20hrtz. Sorry for the super long story but can anybody tell me if these receivers will be an upgrade and which will be better for music Thank you new to this forum ( june, 10 saint angers day) metallica all the way baby! 0

Yeah your right about the cambridge they sound weird and they are all most to diffused. You really dont hear rain drops or anything like that but you do thunder and wind but rain and lightning arent that apparent. Another thing is weird when i run my test tones they sound louder than my klipsch's which is impossible so its hard to set it up properly. I just have to get a radio shack spl meter and that will work. I really need to get some klipsch's for the back but can't afford them right now. As with my post im in the market for a new receiver. Hopefully my 85 watts will be enough. Ive been testing some subs lately and they really dont improve on the sf2's just makes for a louder sound usually but not as deep and full and accurate so i cant complain their. I'm very anxious to her the klipshs through high current they sound good now. I ve tested so many brands in my living room and nothing sounded good. I was starting to think i was going to have to sell my home ha ha. But i finally found something descent in the klipschs. I used to have cerwin vegas the older ones that went down to 28 hertz ezily and sensitivity at 98 they would really rock. I had the cops at my house to many times especially when i had a few brews. So i ended up getting rid of them to my buddy their well taken care of they don't make the cerwins like they used to thats for sure. Acually would you know of a cheaper rear speaker that would go good with klipsch's the only catch is the have to be kind of small i got them hooked up on both sides of the couch way up high above to door ways. That would be the back wall with the couch five inches from the back wall. Normally i dont have them like that i usually have them to the side walls but i painted my room and wanted to conceal the wires better for a cleaner look. It looks really good but not that great of a sound for tv but dvd is really accurate.

---------------- On 5/24/2003 10:32:08 AM wheelman wrote: ---------------- On 5/24/2003 8:27:57 AM Fish wrote: I HIGHLY recommend you listen at home if you can.I have owned several avr's under 1.5k,there is a big difference in sound between them to my ears.For music this is even more evident. ---------------- are you talking between the denons or between the denons and onkyos. I defenitely need aandb speakers for my deck. So dont no if denon offers this in my price range. I heard the denons warmer and the onkyos are neutral. To me not having a harsh top end and good bass response with a very open soundstage is what i want. I know the difference about warmth when it comes to gutar amps i currently own a mesa dual caliber fifty all tube amplifier and it sounds way better than solid state. Of course i couldnt afford a seperates system fo tubes. The onkyo seems to have every thing i need. I dont no if the denon avr 1803 has two main speaker outputs. If it do does you think the denon is better for stereo music? ---------------- Acutually i am sick of racking my brain reading other peoples reveiws i am going to take your advice and get the onkyo 601 on back order for when it comes out. Their really isnt any way of telling till you hear it in your own living room. I basically boiled it down to the powered dual source output for deck speakers. So you can listen to two differet sources at a time because my system is all hooked through my receiver including my tv. This will allow other people to watch tv or play video games while i sip on a beer and enjoy the rays. Also it is high current low impedence design with wide range capabilities which is important for clean sound. Their built like a tank to very good looking in my opionion which helps match my complete black entertainment center. Thanks for your guys imputs well appreciative

---------------- On 5/24/2003 8:27:57 AM Fish wrote: I HIGHLY recommend you listen at home if you can.I have owned several avr's under 1.5k,there is a big difference in sound between them to my ears.For music this is even more evident. ---------------- are you talking between the denons or between the denons and onkyos. I defenitely need aandb speakers for my deck. So dont no if denon offers this in my price range. I heard the denons warmer and the onkyos are neutral. To me not having a harsh top end and good bass response with a very open soundstage is what i want. I know the difference about warmth when it comes to gutar amps i currently own a mesa dual caliber fifty all tube amplifier and it sounds way better than solid state. Of course i couldnt afford a seperates system fo tubes. The onkyo seems to have every thing i need. I dont no if the denon avr 1803 has two main speaker outputs. If it do does you think the denon is better for stereo music?

im in the market for a new receiver and i was wandering if the onkyo tx sr600 was good their coming out with the new one tx sr601 it has 85 watts per channel and 192 dacs for all channels and powered dual zone speaker setup witch would be worth the wait. I love my music almost *** nine loud. So im not sure if 80 watts high current will work for me. Buy the way i have the klipsch synergy sf-2 floorstanding speakers at 96 sensitivity and the matching center channel with cambridge dipole surrounds. My current receiver is the sony db840 witch is rated 100 watts per channel minimal. I am not sure if this is a high current low impedance amp though. I like the sounds of it for home theater but music seems kind of harsh on the top end. I was wandering would the onkyo even be an upgrade or a down grade from this receiver. I guess the db840 is near es quality they said when it was purchased at crutchfield. I like all the features of the onkyo but i heard good reveiws about marantz to. I like my home theater but music is hands down the best for me. So iam looking for the best receiver for music because in my opinion if it sounds good for music it will definitely sound good for theater. My budget is around 500 this would be me selling my old receiver to purchase a product. So it would really stink to down grade by accident. Another thing is i really like the punch and bottom end of that receiver just not happy with the top end. Now i am currently looking towards onkyo although iam considery marantz and denon mayby hk but probally would get but two watts per channel in this price range not to knock hk and arent the front panels plastic but i did hear they are loud for their power ratings so that might bring them into the arena. But back to question at hand is eighty watts enough for me my room is 22' by 12'. And love metal,blues,piano every instrument known to man kind if played to my taste. by the way i am new to this forum so hello everybody