Travis In Austin

Boy you sure can tell you moved from Santa Clara County to Humbolt County (or thereabouts)[] Actually, I agree 100% with what you are saying, you just said it so much better then me. That is why I bought from you, that is why I bought from my java house (I know the coffee is imported, but the owner, his wife, his kids live in my town). Price is always going to be the No. 1 factor for most people, and China is going to win that battle because they earn $25 a month, have children working in the plants, don't have to worry about keeping the enviornment safe, and have no accountability with product liability laws. However, if you want the best tool box money can buy you get a Gestner, made in USA. Sure they just started selling an inferior overseas line of products, but if you can, you get the hand made in the USA one. Can every machinist afford one now, no, but to me it is worth not getting somethine else in order to have that one instead of the very nice, but not made in USA one. Don't get me wrong, I have only been on this kick for a few years. It started with all things shoes and suits. Our garmet industry wiped out by, ahhh it doesn't matter the whys or the whats, I get satisfaction out of it. The other reason to buy local is that small business is what keeps this country going. Despite what anyone thinks about global economy, being competitive, small business in the US is what employees the majority of people. Without the local small business people there will be no need anything else. Travis

By the way, where is Union in relation to either Lexington or Louisville?

Jetro Tull tour dates/venues? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh. I am right, there is a sticker on my forehead that says: Kick him when he walks by,[] It took me awhile, but I figured out who he was, same old tricks. Maybe he will be nicer this time around. I think he could be if he tried, now that I managed to get him out of hiding, I have to figure out a way to get him to try to be a bit humble. I'm trying, but I don't think we are off to Tull together anytime soon, unless he can get us backstage passes. Doesn't he live in Texas now, or am I thinking of someone else? Travis

Mas, No one, and I mean no one, is doubting that you are extreamly knowledgeable on a number of subjects related to audio. It is just the way you approach things, and while you may be the most knowledgeable person in a particular area it does not give you license to be condesending, inconsiderate of other people. You posted a reply to meagain's hum problem. It was beautiful, perfect. It was stated in simple terms, had a great handy article attached to it, etc. It was one of the most helpful, concise responses I have seen by anybody. You typically talk way above people (and I know I know nothing about the technical aspects of audio), you need to bring it down to our level, or the level of the person who you are talking with. There is no need to espouse your knowledge and then when there is a response where they don't understand, come down on them like a ton of bricks. There have not been that many changes Mas, that was how I was able to figure it out. Your style is not to come out with it. Your style is to hold something back so that you can come back with something to crush them with a response. Instead of saying, I have some experience in this area because of this, and you might want to consider thus, you prepare for a knock down drag out. I know it takes more effort, I know you should be able to just come out and say it, without explanination, etc. but to have it come across so people who want to read it requires that effort. For example, in this thread you could have come out and said something like: "I enjoyed reading your post about the concert, it brought back some memories for me, as I had the unique privledge to tour with Jethro Tull back in . . . . (this adds credibility to what you are saying without comming across like a jerk) Was Martin playing his signature __________? What did you think of the strings being part of __________? (asking questions shows you are interested in what the person has to say, in addition, it avoids the impression that a person thinks they know everything already). Mas, if you had left that little response, you would have had all kinds of inquirys about what you saw and heard back in the day. People would be dying to hear about it. But they don't want to be talked down to, they don't want to be deridded for asking something, so they don't. Did you notice, not one person responded, hey Mas that is really cool, Hey Mas I have always wanted to know about this, or that. But they didn't. I know your natural response is to come back at me with some attack about it does not matter to you what people think, or what I think about how you say it, etc., but it must matter if you keep coming back and reading and posting. The only reason it would not matter is if your sole motivation is to harass and annoy people. Which I don't think it is, at least I hope not. You could be a great teacher on here, just be a little bit humble. I know it's hard (hey that's a song isn't it) when we are all so dumb. To use your analogy about trying to explain religion to God, remember Jesus was a teacher. He had to explain things as to what God meant about many things, and he used a particular style in getting points across. Thier is nothing wrong with bringing your language down to a common level, to making your replys more succient. The word you need to look up, and I mean this in all sincerity, is humble. Try using some of it, it will go a long ways on here. I know how frustrating it must be dealing with the likes of me and others, who just are never going to get what you are saying, you just need go on to the next topic. You cannot save all of us you know. If you just don't see there is any room for improvement on your end then I am sorry for taking up your time with this. You seemed to be expressing some frustration in your previous post about people not understanding. I am offering the above with all sincerity, and I hope it is somehow helpfull. While we are all gathered here, if I could ask a couple of questions. You have posted previously (I am talking a few years ago, so I am talking generaly here) about one of the ways you came in contact with Klipsch was the tour was looking at possibly making a change and using Klipsch equipment. As I recall this was mid-tour. First, what speakers were they using on the tour, and what configuration? Did they always use their own speakers or were there situations where they would use the venue's system. One of my interests in the "business" of music, the economics (as in the science of economics, not so much in the accounting sense) of the music industry. So my other questions would be, who pays people like the sound engineer, lighting enginner. Is it the promoter for the tour? When you were touring with these bands had any of the bands made the switch to self-promoting. In other words, instead of collecting a check, they woud share in the risk of promoting their own tours in exchange or more of the revenue. (This was a big thing when the Stones made a "business decition) told Bill they were going to bypass him and Mick was going to promote it). I was just wondering if you saw that kind of shift with the tours you were working with. This is more personel, I am not asking about you specifically, but what kind of money would the head sound or lighting person make on a major tour such as with Tull or Floyd (since you worked with them as well). My impression/assumption, which is why I was curious, is that while it was a job that required skill and expertise, there was no shortage of folks who were interested in the position, thus the pay was relatively low. Again, I am asking in general and not with respect to you. Were there any union issues. For example Tull played in the LV Convention center. No one, I mean no one, does any wiring, rigging, moving, etc. unless you are in the Union. You could not carry a speaker into the center unless you were in the Teamsters. You can't plug something into a socket unless you are in the electrical union. Was there much of that on tour, or were you given waivers, etc. If you feel like answering any of these I would most appreciative. Travis

Krudet: I hope you take Roy up on his offer to ask away about the Jubs, he will answer all questions. Don't worry about asking something you think might sound dumb, I hold the record for asking him the most dumb questions and it will never be broken. It is not very often that you have the opportunity to ask a principal engineer about his/her product. 6Foot8, I am really looking forward to seeing the photos. I have heard a lot about your system and have always wanted to see the photos. If you take regular ones and need somone to scan them I am sure we can get you hooked up on that easy enough. Heck, your in Fla. right? Just invite us all down and we will take a bunch of photos for ya. Can't wait to see them. Brother Bill H: I think you are overdue on photos. Unless I have missed them, but I don't recall seeing the sub in your room. If you have not said what xover are you running the Beast. Travis

A pretty girl in the ad never hurt either. Travis

Steve, I also just saw this today, I am so terribly sorry for your loss. If you are any kind of reflection of her, I know she was one heck of a wonderful woman. She raised you right. We will be keeping you in our thoughts and prayers. Travis

Mine was that stupid cowboy guy (Hope nobody still has it) that was one of the ones you selected when you started up with the forum. Travis

Naw, He figured it would be cheaper to have an employee discount on all of the stuff he buys. Now, if he could only own stock. Mike is great, and on most days it seems like he has his dream job, and I am happy for him. It just kind of makes you smile thinking about Michael talking to some guy about Klipsch. Someone in a panic calls up, "Hello this is Mike" he listens to the problem "No problem, I actualy own 5 pairs of those and I had the same thing come up, here is what you wanna do . . . ." I am trying to figure out a problem I can call in to him just to hear him "live." I just hope they give him Christmas off. Travis

Thomas, First, welcome to the forum, I hope you stick around, ask lots of questions, read up on things you are interested and have a good time. I agreee with your quote above, I think the vast majority of folks on here do, and Klipsch is not afraid to hear people discussing their products, good and bad. I am not only trying to buy US, but also local as much as I possibly can. Local coffee, sporting goods store, etc. Everything I possibly can I try to buy from a local vendor, then a US vendor. ()There are only two companies that make dress shoes in the entire US. Johnston and Murphy has the headquarters in TN, all shoes are made in Mexico. To do that I pay a big premium over what the same would be from a national retailer, and over products from China. When you buy a car it lists the content of parts and where they are assmebled. While I am a not in favor of a requirement for all products, I'm with you, companies should list whether they are made in the US or not. I can live with them using imported materials (like New Balance does). I love the catalogs and web sites that have a sticker that says, proudly made in the USA. Do I stick my head in the sand and say I refuse to buy this, or that, no, but I try to keep it in the US. With Audio it is so easy, you don't even have to strain to have the best of the best all USA made. McIntosh (foreign owend, but made in NY), Klipsch, Basis, NosValves, Juicy Music, Cary, and on and on and on and on. Hope you enjoy the forum. Travis

Marty, I went back to the original post because I laughed so much when you originally posted on this very important topic. However, you promised a future talk on safe sex, which I never saw discussed. I am sure you were side tracked by such things as keeping the twins in tow, ensuring the bar was well stocked and other such matters. I was always to shy to ask about such matters in biology, health and gym class, and so I was hoping to see the helpfull hints you were offering on the subject in order having to ask in front of everyone. As you never followed up on that subject I guess I am forced to ask in front of the entire class: Here goes, and I would really appreciate it if you would specify in your answers whether the information is comming from you, or the twins, as I believe the subject of Safe Sex is very important: 1. What is the maximum speed one should be driving while having sex 2. What is the maximum height one should attempt the act without using a net; 3. Under what situations would you reccomend wearing a helmut, no not that kind, the kind that you strap on under your chin. Thanks in advance Professor, Travis

Mas, You know, Gary is right, you are a very smart guy. It is a very big shame that you don't use it to be helpful to people (I know you think you are being helpfull, but you are not), but instead go about trying to insult, bait and harrass anybody you possibly can. I don't know what happened to you to be so mean spirted, so anti-social, but it really is sad. I have done very well as a trial attorney, not because I am the smartest person (far from it) but, by the grace of God, a lot of hard work, a great memory and some luck, I have been able to achive good results for clients along the way. Another reason for a long string of court room victories is that I have been blessed with a natural ability to read a person, in an instant. More specifically, as soon as they take the witness stand I am able to size them up, know their background, whether they are telling the truth, stretching it, hiding something, etc. This allows me to be very effective at cross-examination. I always love it when I have a prosecutor or a witness who thinks they are smarter then everyone else, I know it is going to be a fun trial. Not because I am smarter then them, I'm not, but because I know it is going to be a fun day. Whenever I have a cop or an expert witness who just knows they know more then everybody else I know my client's case is won. Without exception, where a witness like that is involved they end up hanging themselves. They can't help it, their ego won't allow them to keep things in check and they just melt down. The best part about it is that they don't even realize it, they think the jury is eating out of the palm of their hands, when in fact the jury says they didn't beleive a word the person said. It took me awhile, but it came to me. I know you, you have been on here before. You see you do in fact have a very distinctive "flair." The manner in which you tell the whole world how smart you are, on so many subjects, in a way the offends everyone (save and except Richard), is almost as unique as a fingerprint. But there were several things you said in your last few posts that brought your true identity to light. I don't know why I didn't catch it earlier, it was like a light switch went on, but it went on. You are the same, you have not changed one bit. I would have thought your last experience, under your prior identity would have taught you to restrain yourself, to be a gentle and kind person, or as least not so caustic and abrassive to everyone. Unfortunately, you are like those witnesses that I have had, very intelligent, but with a mindset that everyone is inferior to them. You just couldn't keep a lid on it, you cannot keep it contained. You just have to let the world know how smart you are, and moreover, how stupid everyone else is. You can't help it. You have been banned here before and you will be banned again at the rate you are going. I hope you can get it in check, to understand that you have to respect others before anyonoe will respect you, regardless of how smart you are. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Travis

Marty, Thanks for the box of tea!!!!!! I have not had a chance to make a cup, but it is supposed to be cold this weekend so I think I will be making my wife and I a cup, thanks so much. Travis

Like I said, Res Ipsa

It has nothing to do with negligence. It means, The Thing Speaks for Itself, refering to your quote.

I don't need to, you are the expert, we have you for that. You pull it off and put it out, except you can't get the facts right. I only checked a website to see if the swill you were trying to sell was accurate or not. My memory is getting terrible and I wanted to be sure that I was remembering those prior tours. Low and behold that web site shows that you were wrong. Then you go off on multiple tangents because you are the expert. Fact is that they played many of the same venues in '71 and '72. They even played a highschool in 72, something they were able to avoid in '71. Is the website wrong? Everything you are saying is hearsay, you have admitted that. Your trouble was you went and shot your mouth off about the sgnificance of a tour before they got the likes of you which you had no knowledge of, hearsay or otherwise. By the way, to my knowledge the Fillmore East held more then 3,000, maybe as many as 4,000, but you can look it up on a website and tell me I am wrong or becasue you were a soundman you counted the seats one day, I am sure you would know. I know for sure it held more then 2,000. As to the Fillmore East's capacity, it didn't matter. As a former sound man for Jethro Tull, I can understand how you may not understand this, but it didn't matter what the Fillmore East held, it could have been 500. What mattered was who was in the 500, or 2,000 or 3,000 when you played. Travis

Res Ipsa

Johnny, The teles look different on the inside, i.e., the guts are different. The problem is you don't have controls that you can compare them to. Do you have a camera that will allow you to take photos of what you have? If you can post them, we can tell you which is which. Travis

Mas, You may be an expert in sound mixing, but you are no expert in what opportunity the US had to see Tull before TAAB. One does not have anything to do with the other. If you had been on tour with them in 1971 you would have known all of the places they played, and to what crowds, but you obviously were not. As much as you want to try and talk about other issues like venues, etc., the facts about this discussion are these: Coytee says: Upshot, I was greatly let down. I think the rest of the crowd was too. About the only thing of his "old" stuff was a medley they did. Now, had they done the SAME songs in whole, I think the entire concert would have been different. You respond in your typical condecending, know-it-all tone: I am guessing that you are still listening to InAGaddaDaVida and Whole Lotta Love at least 4 times each, everyday...right??????? (If so, that may explain allot!)"TYPE=PICT;ALT=Stickouttongue" You really can't fault them for getting just abit burned out on it as well, despite someone who listens to them once every 3 years and who thinks they have all been dead for 20 years wanting to hear it! Oh, and to borrow a phrase..."Which one is Jethro? Isn't he the guy who plays flute?...." "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Confused"But in fairness, I also understand what you mean... OB then comments on Gary’s going to see them, and adds his opinion about TAAB: "Thick as a Brick" was a major disappointment to me, expected better than that, all the hype !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then you come up with this, as the introduction to your response: But the Thick as a Brick tour was the first time (and opportunity) for MOST Americans to even see them. I responded very simply thus: They did full US tours in 69, 70 and 71. In '69 they played with bands like Spirt, Mountain, even Led Zeppelin when they both backed up Vanilla Fudge. Living in the Past was actually recorded in the US (Orange, New Jersey) while they were on tour. By '71 Tull was the headliner, with Yes playing backup, and they were filling venues like the LA Forum. There was plenty of opportunity for people to see Tull long before '72. Travis I knew from memory that Tull had toured big time in 1971 because of a band they had played with. I knew they also toured in '69 and '70 I was simply stating that they were playing places like the LA forum with Yes and that was a bit more then the first time for "Most Americans to see them." I guess you then go to your book or website and pull up their tour history and say, "oh no, they did do a bit of touring that year, and prior years, I better qualify my statement" by saying Prior to this the shows were primarily small venues (and LOTS of roller rinks!) primarily on the coasts (Boston, NYC, Seattle, Pasadena), in addition to Detroit and Chicago (quite a few shows with Blood, Sweat and Tears.). It wasn't until the The Thick as Brick tour, that a pattern contiunued for several years of playing the large university arenas and cites in a more diverse and widely distributed market. 1970 saw shows on the West coast (read California) and NYC, with a few scattered in AZ, TX, St. Louis, a few in Detroit and a few more on the East Coast, primarily in NYC. And more shows were spent primarily with folks like John Sebastian, Ballin' Jack, Clouds, Mott the Hoople and Lee Michaels. 1971 in the US was spent primarily on the East Coast and in California until Clive Bunker split. And again, the majority of shows were being performed in odd markets dominated by the inevitable Roller Rinks! The summer of '71 had a stint of shows with Yes and still more roller rinks with a smattering of a few larger venues mostly in the fall of '71 with a few more Civic Colliseums and University fieldhouses as I guess the Roller Rinks must have been booked with birthday parties. The way you were bouncing back and forth, from "first opportunity for most Americans to see them" to they were just appearing at East and West Coast locations and roller rinks. Based on you going back and forth I figured you were just digging it up from a web site as you went along. I also point out that they were playing the Fillmore East and West. I then posted one of a dozen Tull websites where all of their tour information can be found so folks can draw their own conclusions, and get the information as easily as you. You then respond by saying: I never said that Thick as a Brick was the first time for anyone in the US to see them. Learn to read! It was a major change in both the touring block bookings featuring a widespread US exposure in areas other than the coasts and Detroit and it was the first tour booked primarily into large venues. For all of the hype and mysticism associated with the Fillmores, the Warehouse, Winterland, etc. they were still small format venues!. You, as per usual with you, throw a red herring into the mix by talkinng about the mysticism of the Fillmores, etc. instead of acknowledging that there may have been more opportunity for people in the U.S. to see Tull prior to TAAB. (There is a reason there is hype and mysticism associated with those venues by the way, something you will never understand). I then post, from the website, where they in fact toured that year. I guess you were not aware of all of the cities they covered (in addition to the coasts and Detroit) because you missed the bus, or they told you that the tour was over so they did not have to listen to you any more, or you tried to tell Ian how to play flute and they showed you out the door. But whatever, folks are aware of those venues, they know what they hold, they know where they are located, and they know for a fact that Tull was not limited to roller rinks, primarily on the coasts. I am sure you know things about Tull and other bands I will never know, as well as sound mixing etc. But you were apparently not on tour with them in '69, '70 or '71, because there was a lot of opportunity for a lot of Americans to see Tull before you got on board. The fact that you may have been at every show for TAAB will not change that. Travis

Apparently not much. You said that until TAAB was the first opportunity for most of the US to see them. Then you backtracked by saying what you meant by that was up 'till that point they were only on the West Coast (read California), East Coast and Det., and it was not until TAAB that they played major venues and the american hearland. Then tour history shows you were wrong again, in just the prior year they played all over the US. Now, because you have some backstage passes from Hot Tuna and Bette Middler you are some sort of expert on Jethro Tull. Did you work security, help carry cable around, or did you stir the chili at the back stage buffet? You still are dead wrong about how much they toured and where they toured before TAAB came out. Travis

I would say that you are more in need of one then me. Texas, Fla., etc., etc. You are right, not much of the country had an opportunity to see them before TAAB came out. Keep going, I'm loving it. You don't need a scanner, what concerts did you go to? Travis

Well lets look at the year prior shall we (this is a great web site) 1/4/71 Tyrone Guthrie Theatre Minneapolis, Mn. USA Two shows. 2/4/71 Civic Opera House Chicago, Il. USA It's Only Me Nothing Is Easy, Aqualung, Hymn 43, My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée), Cross-Eyed Mary, With You There To Help Me, By Kind Permission Of..., Wind Up/Guitar Solo/Locomotive Breath, Hard-Headed English General, Wind-Up (reprise) 3/4/71 Kiel Convention Hall St Louis, Mo. USA Support: Procol Harum. 4/4/71 Painter's Mill Music Fair Baltimore, Md. USA Two shows booked, and sold-out, but Ian's voice failed after the first, causing the cancelation of the second – after the audience had already taken their seats. 5/4/71 Fillmore East NYC, NY. USA Two shows Support: Edgar Winter's White Trash Band, Tin House This setlist might be from 6/4/71. My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée), With You There To Help Me, By Kind Permission Of..., Sossity: You're A Woman/Reasons For Waiting, Aqualung, Cross-Eyed Mary, Nothing Is Easy, Wind Up/Guitar Solo/Locomotive Breath, Hard-Headed English General, Wind-Up (reprise) Italicised tracks unconfirmed. 6/4/71 Fillmore East NYC, NY. USA Two shows Support: Edgar Winter's White Trash Band, Tin House 13/4/71 Municipal Auditorium Atlanta, Ga. USA 14/4/71 Uhlein Hall Milwaukee, Wi. USA Two shows. Support: Curved Air. 16/4/71 Pirates World Park Dania (Ft. Lauderdale), Fl. USA 17/4/71 Pirates World Park Dania (Ft. Lauderdale), Fl. USA Support: Curved Air. 18/4/71 Civic Center Roanoke, Va. USA 20/4/71 State Fairgrounds Coliseum Detroit, Mi. USA Support: Edgar Winter's White Trash Band, Mutzie. 24/4/71 Monmouth College West Long Branch, NJ. USA Nothing Is Easy, Aqualung, With You There To Help Me, By Kind Permission Of..., Sossity: You're A Woman/Reasons For Waiting, My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée), Cross-Eyed Mary (w. drum solo), Wind Up, Guitar Solo, Locomotive Breath, Instrumental, Wind-Up (reprise) 25/4/71 State University of NY Stony Brook, NY. USA 26/4/71 C.W.Post College Dome Greenvale, NY. USA 27/4/71 Capitol Theatre Port Chester, NY. USA Two shows Support: Curved Air. Late show: Nothing Is Easy, Aqualung, With You There To Help Me, My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée), Cross-Eyed Mary (w. drum solo), Wind Up/Guitar Solo/Locomotive Breath, Hard-Headed English General, Wind-Up (reprise) Italicised tracks unconfirmed. 28?/4/71 Nassau Community College Garden City, NY. USA Date uncertain. Support band (Edgar Winter White Trash Band) was late, so Tull played first. 29/4/71 State U. of NY Delhi, NY. USA Venue uncertain. 1/5/71 Spectrum Philadelphia, Pa. USA Support: Tony Joe White & Spirit Nothing Is Easy, Aqualung, With You There To Help Me/By Kind Permission Of..., Sossity: You're A Woman/Reasons For Waiting, My God, Cross-Eyed Mary, Wind Up/Guitar Solo/Locomotive Breath, Hard-Headed English General, Wind-Up (reprise) 2/5/71 Kutztown University Kutztown, Pa. USA 3/5/71 US release of 'Aqualung' Highest chart position: 7 4/5/71 Fillmore East NYC, NY. USA Two shows Nothing Is Easy, Aqualung, With You There To Help Me, By Kind Permission Of..., Hymn 43, My God (w. flute solo, incl. Camptown Races & Bourée), Cross-Eyed Mary (w. drum solo), Wind Up, Guitar Solo, Locomotive Breath, Instrumental, Wind-Up (reprise) 5/5/71 Fillmore East NYC, NY. USA Hymn 43 Two shows Clive Bunker's last (scheduled) concert as a member of Tull. Nothing Is Easy, Aqualung, With You There To Help Me, Hymn 43, My God, Cross-Eyed Mary, Wind Up, Guitar Solo, Locomotive Breath ?/5/71 Music Hall Boston, Ma. USA Support: Mott The Hoople Date unconfirmed. Known MTH tour dates mean it must have been between 6 & 11 May. Asked in 2003, MTH drummer Dale Griffin didn't remember this show, but acknowledged it as credible. /6/71 Salt Palace Salt Lake City, Ut. USA Barrie Barlow's first gig with Tull. Apart from Martin, this reproduced the 1963 line-up of 'The Blades'. 10/6/71 Red Rocks Amphitheatre Morrison (Denver), Co. USA The Red Rocks riot, at which Tull played through tear gas. A full account from the LA Free Press. Barrie Barlow's second gig with Tull! Support: Livingston Taylor. Tull played for 80 mins., to over 10,000 people. 11/6/71 Civic Auditorium Albuquerque, NM. USA Support: Mott The Hoople. 12/6/71 HIC Arena Honolulu, Hi. USA 16/6/71 Convention Center San Diego, Ca. USA My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée), With You There To Help Me/By Kind Permission Of..., Sossity: You're A Woman/Reasons For Waiting, To Cry You A Song, Aqualung, Cross-Eyed Mary (w. drum solo), Nothing Is Easy, Wind-Up, Locomotive Breath, Hard-Headed English General, Wind-Up (reprise) 17/6/71 Community Concourse San Diego, Ca. USA Support: Livingston Taylor 18/6/71 LA Forum Inglewood, Ca. USA My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée), With You There To Help Me/By Kind Permission Of..., Sossity: You're A Woman/Reasons For Waiting, Nothing Is Easy, To Cry You A Song, Aqualung, Cross-Eyed Mary (w. drum solo), Wind-Up/Guitar Solo, Locomotive Breath, Hard-Headed English General, Wind-Up (reprise) Italicised tracks unconfirmed. 19/6/71 Convention Center Anaheim, Ca. USA Support: Livingston Taylor My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée), With You There To Help Me/By Kind Permission Of..., Sossity: You're A Woman/Reasons For Waiting, To Cry You A Song, Aqualung, Cross-Eyed Mary (w. drum solo), Nothing Is Easy, Wind-Up, Locomotive Breath,Hard-Headed English General, Wind-Up (reprise) Italicised tracks unconfirmed. 20/6/71 Community Theater Berkeley, Ca. USA Wind Up Support: Livingston Taylor My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée), With You There To Help Me/By Kind Permission Of..., Sossity: You're A Woman/Reasons For Waiting, To Cry You A Song, Aqualung, Cross-Eyed Mary (w. drum solo), Nothing Is Easy, Wind-Up (15 min), Locomotive Breath, Hard-Headed English General, Wind-Up (reprise) Italicised tracks unconfirmed. 21/6/71 - San Francisco, Ca. USA Nominally a rest day, Ian spent it doing press and radio interviews. 24/6/71 Gardens Edmonton, Canada Support: Yes. 25/6/71 Pacific National Exhibition Coliseum Vancouver, Canada Support: Yes. 26/6/71 Seattle Center Coliseum Seattle, Wa. USA Support: Yes. 27/6/71 Memorial Auditorium Sacramento, Ca. USA Support: Kimberley, Yes. 29/6/71 Auditorium Kansas City, Mo. USA Without Yes. 30/6/71 State Fairgrounds Oklahoma City, Ok. USA Support: Yes. 1/7/71 Municipal Auditorium San Antonio, Tx. USA Support: Yes. 2/7/71 Memorial Coliseum Dallas, Tx. USA Wind Up In Dallas or Dallas Memorial 1971 Support: Yes. My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée), With You There To Help Me, Piano Solo, Sossity: You're A Woman/Reasons For Waiting, To Cry You A Song, Aqualung, Cross-Eyed Mary (w. drum solo), Nothing Is Easy, Wind Up/Guitar Solo/Locomotive Breath, Hard-Headed English General, Wind-Up (reprise) Italicised tracks presumed, but unconfirmed; they're not on these bootlegs, anyway. 3/7/71 Sam Houston Coliseum Houston, Tx. USA Support: Yes. 4/7/71 Warehouse New Orleans, La. USA Support: Yes (who played for 30-45 mins.). 5/7/71 National Guard Armory Indianapolis, In. USA Without Yes. 7/7/71 Sports Stadium Orlando, Fl. USA Support: Yes. 8/7/71 Casino Ballroom Hampton Beach, NH. USA Support: Yes. Riots due to oversold tickets led to the closure of the venue for five years. 9/7/71 Convention Center Wildwood, NJ. USA Support: Yes. 10/7/71 Convention Center Ashbury Park, NJ. USA Without Yes. 11/7/71 Roller Rink Alexandria, Va. USA 3 pm show, supported by Yes. 14/7/71 Fox Theatre Hackensack, NJ. USA Set began with 'My God'. Fall '71 US tour - their eleventh N.American tour 15/10/71 Bayfront Center St Petersburg, Fl. USA Support: Freedom (at 8 pm; Tull at 9). Audience: 10,000. Tull's sound equipment was accidentally sent to Miami; the soundcheck was with rented equipment. Set began with 'My God' 16/10/71 Civic Center Jacksonville, Fl. USA 17/10/71 Coliseum Charlotte, NC. USA 18/10/71 Madison Square Garden NYC, NY. USA The first of Tull's eighteen dates at this venue. Sold-out three weeks before the concert. Audience: 23,000. Several tried to invade the stage. My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée, God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, Thick As A Brick (Poet & Painter), Aqualung, With You There To Help Me, A New Day Yesterday, Cross-Eyed Mary (w. drum solo), Up To Me, Tomorrow Was Today, Hymn 43, Nothing Is Easy, Wind-Up, Guitar Solo, Locomotive Breath, Wind-Up (reprise) Italicised tracks unconfirmed. 19/10/71 Civic Center Springfield, Ma. USA USA The tour schedule has this as Gill Coliseum, Corvallis, Or., but NYC to Ma. via Or. seems rather unlikely! That show must have been in June, if at all. A recording exists of Tull at Springfield, apparently on 16/10. That date is wrong, but could well have been 19/10. Support: Curved Air. My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée, God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen), Thick As A Brick, Aqualung, Sossity: You're A Woman/Reasons For Waiting, To Cry You A Song, A New Day Yesterday, Cross-Eyed Mary (w. drum solo), Up To Me, Tomorrow Was Today, Hymn 43, Nothing Is Easy, Wind-Up, Guitar Solo, Locomotive Breath, Wind-Up (reprise) 'Sossity/Reasons...' unconfirmed. 21/10/71 Civic Arena Pittsburgh, Pa. USA 22/10/71 Jenison Fieldhouse, MSU East Lansing, Mi. USA Support: Catfish Included: Flute Solo (In 'My God'?), Drum Solo (in 'Cross-Eyed Mary'?), Sossity: You're A Woman/Reasons For Waiting, A Song For Jeffrey (this seems unlikely: no other 1971 show included it.). 23/10/71 St. John Arena Columbus, Oh. USA 24/10/71 Hara Arena Dayton, Oh. USA 25/10/71 Sports Arena Toledo, Oh. USA 26/10/71 Amphitheater Chicago, Il. USA 27/10/71 Assembly Hall, U. of Illinois Champaign, Il. USA My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée, God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen), Thick As A Brick, Aqualung, To Cry You A Song, A New Day Yesterday, Cross-Eyed Mary (w. drum solo), Up To Me, Tomorrow Was Today, Hymn 43, Nothing Is Easy, Wind-Up, Guitar Solo, Locomotive Breath, Wind-Up (reprise) 28/10/71 Arena New Haven, Ct. USA My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée, God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen), Thick As A Brick, Aqualung, To Cry You A Song, A New Day Yesterday, Cross-Eyed Mary, Up To Me, Tomorrow Was Today, Hymn 43, Nothing Is Easy, Wind-Up, Guitar Solo, Locomotive Breath, Wind-Up (reprise) 29/10/71 Exposition Center Portland, Me. USA 30/10/71 War Memorial Rochester, NY. USA 31/10/71 Harper College Binghamton, NY. USA Venue uncertain. 1/11/71 Memorial Auditorium Buffalo, NY. USA 3/11/71 Technological Institute Lowell, Ma. USA This concert seems to have been scheduled for 20/10/71, but an audience member with a ticket stub proves otherwise. 5/11/71 William & Mary College Fieldhouse Williamsburg, Va. USA 6/11/71 Carmichael Auditorium, U. of NC Chapel Hill, NC. USA Tull were late on stage. This, and poor crowd control, meant that when Tull started their sound check, people at the back inadvertently crowded those at the front, and someone was accidently pushed through a plate glass window Support band included a violinist and may have been called 'Liege And Lief'. 7/11/71 Minges Coliseum, E. Carolina U. Greenville, NC. USA 8/11/71 Coliseum Greensboro, NC. USA 9/11/71 Field House, Bradley U. Peoria, Il. USA Support: Curved Air. Not noted in tour schedules, but an audience member recalls a show in Peoria. This date is credible, though the resulting tour routing seems a little convoluted. 10/11/71 IMA Sports Arena Flint, Mi. USA 11/11/71 Mid-South Coliseum Memphis, Tn. USA 12/11/71 Convention Center Louisville, Ky. USA Support: Curved Air. 13/11/71 Public Hall Cleveland, Oh. USA 14/11/71 Civic Center Baltimore, Md. USA Support: Curved Air. Tour schedules put this show in the Palace Theatre, Albany, NY. but an audience member with a ticket stub says otherwise! See 16/11/71. 15/11/71 Garden Boston, Ma. USA Support: Curved Air My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée, God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, Thick As A Brick, Aqualung, To Cry You A Song, A New Day Yesterday, Cross-Eyed Mary, Up To Me, Tomorrow Was Today, Hymn 43, Nothing Is Easy, Wind-Up, Guitar Solo, Locomotive Breath, Wind-Up (reprise) 16/11/71 Palace Theatre Albany, NY. USA Exact date unconfirmed. The official tour schedule lists Tull as being here on 14/11/71, but they were known to be in Boston that night. A recording entitled 'Albany '71' exists, and there is a gap in the official schedule between 15 and 18 Nov., so this date or 17/11 seem credible. My God (w. flute solo, incl. Bourée, God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, Thick As A Brick, Aqualung, To Cry You A Song, A New Day Yesterday, Cross-Eyed Mary, Up To Me, Tomorrow Was Today, Hymn 43, Nothing Is Easy, Wind-Up, Guitar Solo, Locomotive Breath, Wind-Up (reprise) Italicised tracks unconfirmed. 18/11/71 Madison Square Garden NYC, NY. USA Mas, I stand corrected, you were right. It for sure was very limited tour, East and West (read California) Coasts and Det. They were limited to just roller rinks and overrated places like The Filmores, Madison Square Garden.

I can read, and your quote more then suggests that did very little touring in the US prior to TAAB. You were flat wrong about it, now you want to back track and say that what you meant is that they were not a major touring act prior to that lp's release. Travis

Gary, Be careful, the expert will pull it out of a book and tell you everything you want to know aboutwhich lp was being released. Heck, he probably knows the Zebra's name, and what it ate. Well anyway, here is the info from the site I posted above, nothing about the Zebra but it says Too Old . . . came out during that tour. 16/5/76 Hallenstadion Zürich, Switzerland It's A Boy! Thick As A Brick, Too Old To Rock'N'Roll, To Cry You A Song, A New Day Yesterday (w. flute solo, incl. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, Bourée, Living In The Past/Thick As A Brick (inst.)), Requiem, Big Dipper, Beethoven's Ninth, The Chequered Flag, Crazed Institution, Conundrum, Cross-Eyed Mary, Aqualung, Guitar Solo, Wind-Up, Back-Door Angels, Minstrel In The Gallery (inst.), Locomotive Breath/Back-Door Angels (reprise) 17/5/76 US release of 'Too Old To Rock'N'Roll...' Highest chart position: 14 18/5/76 Pabellon del Juventud de Badalona Barcelona, Spain Support: John Miles. 20/5/76 Pabellon Deportivo Madrid, Spain 15/7/76 Civic Center Providence, RI. USA 16/7/76 Colt Park Hartford, Ct. USA Support: J. Geils Band. Outdoor show, with heavy rain during the support set (Tull played in sunshine). One of the first uses of 'Tull-avision'. 18/7/76 Capital Center Landover, Md. USA 19/7/76 Spectrum Philadelphia, Pa. USA Support: John Miles. Thick As A Brick, Wond'ring Aloud, Crazed Institution, Conundrum, To Cry You A Song, A New Day Yesterday, My God (w. flute solo, incl. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, Bourée), Living In The Past/A New Day Yesterday (reprise), Too Old To Rock'N'Roll..., Minstrel In The Gallery, Beethoven's Ninth, My God (intro)/Flute Solo, Cross-Eyed Mary, Aqualung, Encore: Guitar Solo/Wind-Up/Back-Door Angels/Wind-Up(reprise), Second encore: Locomotive Breath/Back-Door Angels (reprise) In some doubt; may have been the same as 21/7, instead. 'Conundrum' unconfirmed. 21/7/76 Garden Boston, Ma. USA Triumph In The Gardens! Support: Livingston Taylor. Thick As A Brick, Wond'ring Aloud, Crazed Institution, Conundrum, To Cry You A Song, A New Day Yesterday (w. flute solo, (incl. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, Bourée), Living In The Past/Thick As A Brick (inst.)), Too Old To Rock'N'Roll..., Minstrel In The Gallery, Beethoven's Ninth, My God, Cross-Eyed Mary, Aqualung, Encore: Guitar Solo/Wind-Up/Back-Door Angels/Instrumental/Wind-Up(reprise), Second encore: Locomotive Breath/Dambuster's March/Back-Door Angels (reprise) Italicised tracks unconfirmed; running order may be incorrect. 23/7/76 Shea Stadium Flushing, NY. USA

I just found this website, it gives a pretty complete history of JT's tour history, complete with set lists. http://www.ministry-of-information.co.uk/setlist/index.htm Now everyone can be an expert just like Mas [:S]