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Are they going to be produced? If so, why are they waiting? I would sell my multiple systems for a pair.

I just received my book on monday, looking foward to reading the story on the Legend.

I would think if you put the speakers in a trash bag, sealed it and then slide it in an oversize box and then filled the box with expandable foam insulation would be safe.When My Chorus2s were shipped to me from California, I live in Florida, the guy shipped them in the original boxes with original foam. Needless to say, I have 1 broken Chorus. THe shipment shatterd the base of the chorus, when I helped the Fed Ex guy lift them out of his truck, they were between the 2 front seats on their side. He said " thanks, I had a heck of a time throwing those things up there. Whats u got in there, books?"

---------------- On 8/27/2004 4:32:54 PM 3dzapper wrote: I wouldn't put BLO on my tung. Rick ---------------- If I had a house full of party girls I would, just to make sure its good, and then it would be ON>>>>>>>>

What happens if your dog leaks on it?

I read about 3 channel in the VMPS forum, thought you might be interested in this product, here is the post; Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:58 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I auditioned the trinaural this week. I must preface this review with the statement that I approached this endeavor with skepticism. I tried as hard as I could to remain objective and not let the hype of CES awards or other previous reviews taint my interpretations. I did not want to write a typical, gushing component review of how this thing is the greatest I've ever heard, it will change your life, blah blah blah. I am a $ensible Sound kind of guy. I have VMPS Tower II mains with Outlaw 755 amp/950 pre-amp and an ancient 1995 Onkyo 6-CD changer (hey, I like the way it sounds). My center channel of choice would be an RM30C, but Julian didn't have any of those on hand, so he loaned me an LRC as my center channel. My room dimensions are 17Wx32Dx9H. Normally, my mains are 8ft apart, but Julian moved my mains to the extreme edge of the walls to increase the soundstage. My first impression was that of everybody else's: the center channel is too hot. It took me 3 days before I no longer perceived the center channel as being hot. At that point, the soundstage seemed to open up. My ears were still confused at this point, though. The side channels still seemed a little "beamy", and it sounded like they were occasionally out of phase (they were not). It was not until the 4th day of listening when I no longer experienced any disorientation. The best analogy I have of the trinaural is that it is a lot like those 3-D sterograms where you have to change the focal point of your eyes before the 3 dimensional picture pops up before you. When you first look at it, you don't see it. But when you change your focus, you see the image. I can stretch this analogy even further: I noticed that my perception of the sound could change depending on where I focused my eyes. When I looked directly at the center speaker, I perceived the center channel to be "hot", but when I lifted my gaze above the speaker towards the soundstage, the beaminess went away and the large soundstage opened up before me. Towards the end of my evaluation, I listened with the lights off to prevent my eyes from distracting me. That helped a lot. The trinaural will mess with your head. Two days after I started listening to it, I got into my car to run an errand. When I turned the ignition and the radio came on, I froze in my tracks. I didn't hear the sound coming from the windshield like I was used to. Instead it sounded like two door speakers aimed at the sides of my head. I no longer perceived a stereo image in my head from two channels. This really freaked me out! Let's talk about how it sounds. I probably listened to 50 different CDs from my collection during my audition. Stan Kenton's jazz orchestra on "Birthday in Britain" is stunning on a soundstage 17 feet wide and 10 feet deep. I can hear soloists stepping forward for their solos as well as musicians talking between songs. The drum echoes of Peter Gabriel's "Zaar" extend beyond the periphery of the main speakers. Solo piano sounds better than I ever thought possible on my system. With a 17 ft wide stoundstage, the piano image is about the size of a real piano. Herbie Hancock's "Harvest Time" sounds like it's being played right in front of me. And when the alarm clocks go off during Dark Side of the Moon's "Time", it is nothing short of spectacular. Copland's "Appalachian Spring" was sublime with its depth and detail. Just for fun, I popped in Wendy Carlos' "Switched-On Bach", and I laughed out loud. That CD is to the Trinaural what the Matrix is to DVD players! Even though that recording is older than I am, it was made for 3-channel reproduction with its LCR voicing. It is human instinct to turn your head toward a sound. I found myself turning my head towards each soloist around the soundstage as I was listening to jazz, something I don't remember ever doing while listening to recorded music. I no longer stared straight ahead all the time like I did with 2-channel stereo. I found the trinaural had the most impact on concert recordings and high quality ensemble recordings. It won't make an average Pop recording sound better, for example. I found a lot of Pop CDs didn't sound much better, but I could really hear the difference on live jazz and well-recorded studio CDs. After listening to the trinaural for 5 days, I switched back to 2-channel stereo to compare. The music lost a lot of detail. It still sounded good, but there wasn't as much clarity and detail as there was before. The clocks on DSOTM's "Time" didn't get me excited any more. I lost the big soundstage for jazz and symphonic orchestra. Summary: Does it work? Yes. The trinaural gives you a larger soundstage with more clarity and detail in the music. If you have a 19" computer monitor, upgrading to 21" will give you more resolution, but is it worth it? You have to decide for yourself. I have the luxury of a dedicated 2-channel listening area without any home theater variables. If you have only two speakers, you need to decide if the investment in new speaker + additional amplification + trinaural is worth the incremental improvement in sound. I have not made my decision yet. But I still have a couple of more days to play! In the end, I totally agree with the $ensible Sound reviewer who said:

I was wondering what the svs tubes were made, I have been told cardboard, is that true?

---------------- On 8/27/2004 1:26:48 PM bclarke421 wrote: Sum guy wus goin tell me wy tounge erl is bedder then BLO, but he done an ingored me. ---------------- This guy would like to know of 1 speaker manufacurer that uses BLO today. Done arguing my point.

---------------- On 8/27/2004 12:42:12 PM CAS wrote: ---------------- On 8/27/2004 11:37:39 AM radiob wrote: ---------------- On 8/27/2004 11:15:12 AM CAS wrote ---------------- Never seen any specific measurements on that sub configuration, however the specs don't read all that impressive. And the manufacturer's note that mentions 115dB at 20 Hz and roll off at 17? That sounds odd as well. With an exterior finish and soundcoat you'll spend around $900. Just as a comparison, the SVS PB2+ cost me $1,100 and included 2 active drivers, 900W rms amp, crossover, subsonic filter, and is a killer well below 17 Hz. Not trying to get into a peeing match. Just an observation. ---------------- It is hard for me to compare SVS To the VMPS subs because I havnt heard neither, however I do own a set of VMPS ST R/SE loudspeakers and the bass cabinet in them is supposed to be the larger subwoofer. I have never heard bass control that compares to the vmps loudspeakers. Brian Chenney of VMPS has won the CES audio show in Eroupe with best of show regardless of price in 2002 with his RM40 loudspeakers <4,000.00>, so he is very credible in my book. I looked into the SVS subs before I purchased my Paradigm servo 15 <$1,900+$300 x-30 crossover> I wish I had bought 2 VMPS larger subs and a used sunfire 300 two. THIS IS SVS "ULTRA SUB"When you hear a CS-Ultra package fired up you'll understand why we needed to enhance the design of our tried and true cylinder design. These are frightening subwoofers. Brutally powerful, yet subtle, accurate and natural sounding, the CS-Ultra package will astound you with bass, the likes of which few have ever heard...at any price. Expect twice the the performance of the standard twin 20-39PC package performance down low (a whopping 7.5dBs at 20Hz!). This is bass that doesn't just "hit" you. It pushes right through your body and keeps on going. Want to see the flat response we're talking about. --------- I TOOK THAT FROM THE SVS SIGHT, NOW LOOK AT THE 7.5 DB AT 20 HZ.THE vmps IS 115,AT 17 NOT 7.5 AT 20. NOTICE THE SVS IS USING THE SAME TYPE OF SPEC AS THE VMPS, HOWEVER THE SVS DOES NOT HAVE A SUB AVAILABLE THAT OUT PERFORMS THE VMPS MANUFACURES NOTE. THEY DO NOT HAVE A SUB WITH A ROLLOFF UNDER 20, SO HOW DOES YOURS GO SO LOW? ---------------- Sorry, you're quite misinformed. The phrase you quoted meant 7.5db ABOVE the lower model package for a total of (with the new driver) above 115 dB at 20 Hz. 7.5dB would be the measurement of a whisper. And the other spec you quoted was incorrect as the VMPS website specifically says 115db at 20Hz, not 17Hz. Also, you need to read the SVS website further as most of their subs can be user tuned to roll off at 25, 20 or 16 Hz for maximum SPL or depth. I get response down to 12Hz. And as far as not having a sub that can outperform both of these? The SVS Ultra cylinders, the PB2-Ultra, and especially the B4 (which is really in another class all together). ---------------- I am not miss informed on 7.5db, I simply copied the spec from SVS,and pasted it here. you may want to check your specs on the SVS stuff. Do you have any reveiws you can post on the SVS stuff? As for the B4 it is in a class with the Watt Puppy, Simply a ripoff.

---------------- On 8/27/2004 11:15:12 AM CAS wrote ---------------- Never seen any specific measurements on that sub configuration, however the specs don't read all that impressive. And the manufacturer's note that mentions 115dB at 20 Hz and roll off at 17? That sounds odd as well. With an exterior finish and soundcoat you'll spend around $900. Just as a comparison, the SVS PB2+ cost me $1,100 and included 2 active drivers, 900W rms amp, crossover, subsonic filter, and is a killer well below 17 Hz. Not trying to get into a peeing match. Just an observation. ---------------- It is hard for me to compare SVS To the VMPS subs because I havnt heard neither, however I do own a set of VMPS ST R/SE loudspeakers and the bass cabinet in them is supposed to be the larger subwoofer. I have never heard bass control that compares to the vmps loudspeakers. Brian Chenney of VMPS has won the CES audio show in Eroupe with best of show regardless of price in 2002 with his RM40 loudspeakers <4,000.00>, so he is very credible in my book. I looked into the SVS subs before I purchased my Paradigm servo 15 <$1,900+$300 x-30 crossover> I wish I had bought 2 VMPS larger subs and a used sunfire 300 two. THIS IS SVS "ULTRA SUB"When you hear a CS-Ultra package fired up you'll understand why we needed to enhance the design of our tried and true cylinder design. These are frightening subwoofers. Brutally powerful, yet subtle, accurate and natural sounding, the CS-Ultra package will astound you with bass, the likes of which few have ever heard...at any price. Expect twice the the performance of the standard twin 20-39PC package performance down low (a whopping 7.5dBs at 20Hz!). This is bass that doesn't just "hit" you. It pushes right through your body and keeps on going. Want to see the flat response we're talking about. --------- I TOOK THAT FROM THE SVS SIGHT, NOW LOOK AT THE 7.5 DB AT 20 HZ.THE vmps IS 115,AT 17 NOT 7.5 AT 20. NOTICE THE SVS IS USING THE SAME TYPE OF SPEC AS THE VMPS, HOWEVER THE SVS DOES NOT HAVE A SUB AVAILABLE THAT OUT PERFORMS THE VMPS MANUFACURES NOTE. THEY DO NOT HAVE A SUB WITH A ROLLOFF UNDER 20, SO HOW DOES YOURS GO SO LOW?

---------------- There are plenty of subs that can beat that, price to performance is awesome sure and it can play 17hz..sweet. Lots of subs that can dig deeper. ---------------- VMPS New Larger Subwoofer 12 polycone active, 15 polycone active, 15 passive large lowboy round corner cabinet Subwoofer, 17Hz to 250Hz, lite oak, dark oak finishes Power Handling 350W, Impedance 4 Ohms (8 Ohms on special order) KIT w/cabinet $579ea KIT w/o cabinet $329ea Assembled $699ea Shipping in USA (48 states) FREE OPTIONS: Megawoofers, stacked magnet (80oz) 12 woven carbon fiber and 15" black poly active woofers, increase power handling to 600W $70ea additional. Piano black finish $40 additional. Soundcoat $75 per cabinet. Dual voice option not necessary since two woofers can be separated and one channel fed to each (dual 8 Ohm loads) Manufacturers note: the highest output (over 115dB/1m at 20Hz) subwoofer available. Megawoofers highly recommended for increased power handling, speed (double sized motor) and definition.

Its already been treated with tounge oil from the factory, Mark knows whats right, maybe you should find out too.

Dean, what are you doing to the crossovers and how are you testing the results? I was curios, I have the chorus2s. If you have a proven crossover upgrade I would be interested.

Funny, before I turned my computer on, I put a Fleetwood Mack Tusk Lp On my new turnetable and am listening to it now.

---------------- On 8/27/2004 5:51:29 AM John Warren wrote: ---------------- On 8/27/2004 12:08:36 AM Piranha wrote: I find it hard to believe that anything other than dual SVS SS subs can possibly keep up with the quick horn loaded bass of the LaScala? Does anyone have any other suggestions as far as subs go paired with LS's? Thanks! ---------------- First of all, there is nothing "quick" about a bass horn. In fact, bass horns usually slow down the direct radiator! It's the painful reality of the relationship between efficiency, bandwidth and frequency response. Looking at the current stock of JBL drivers, I would have to respectfully disagree with Tommy B. I don't see any driver on the pro website that I would use to build a subwoofer around. First requisite is an Fs in the low 20s. To build a DR subwoofer that can match the sensitivity of a bass horn two things are needed, a large volume velocity and lots of power capacity. The driver I selected is the McCauley 6174. It will require a 14 cubic ft enclosure vented with a 1kW amp. The driver can be found on the McCauley website. ---------------- Odd, I have owned 2 sets of k horns in the past, one thing was for sure they have the fastest and tightest bass I have heard through a loudspeaker. Maybe your lascallas have blown woofers? Check out the VMPS SUBS, YOU WILL BE GLAD YOU DID>

The VMPS Larger sub with the right amp wil play louder than and go lower than the svs, and probobly any other sub out, 17hz. 575.00 kit, better check it out.

Turn the volume up.

Erik, What is your reveiew on the woodpecker stylus? Where can I purchase one? What do you do if it craps on your LP?

Picture of a blueberry at night, no blue glow. So it is confirmed, pre-amp tubes do not glow blue.

I finally broke down and went analog, I picked up a rega planar and I am ready to swap some blueberry phono tubes. Any favorites? Ill be using it with my chorus2s and the set amps. Thanks, Rob

stereophile test cd #3, you can order it at the stereophile website.

You need to contact the manufacturer of the cables you like, tell them what kind of amp you have and what the sensitivity of your speakers are. Wire is not wire, 10-14ga is a very loose way of thinking.

I would definetly stay in that house for 4 more years,Its your money.

Brent Jessie Recording is a good place to buy tubes. brentjes@audiotubes.com

You need to treat your room, Im in the middle of reasearch on this now, so I wont be much help yet. You can post pics of your room on Michael Greens Tuneland and he will advise you in what he belives is the correct treatment for your room. Another informative source I have found is a book called The Complete Guide To High-End Audio, by Robert Harley, it has a couple of very good chapters on room tuning. It is true that a properly selected 500.00 system in a room tuned for it can sound better than a poorly selected 50,000.00 system in a poorly, or un-tuned room.