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The La Scala does upper bass very bass. It's very tight, punchy and as far from muddy as you can get. But a sub does help for the low end. The model I use is listed in my system profile (not Klipsch). Some will say that such a cheap sub can't be good enough to match La Scala's but unless you play your LS full-throtle, there is no problem at all. And even at full volume, music doesn't usually have the low end that movies have. Congratulations!

Yeah, I had seen it but let it go. Broken cone and missing grille. My wife wouldn't let me get away with that!

I'm more looking for identification of the INDUSTRIAL series. The info I give from my brochure is for the industrial series (with metal corners).

I picked up a "belle on wheels" for Greg a couple years ago. I think Dale owns it now. Much easier to maneuver by yourself! Do they move by themselves when you play anything over 1 Watt?

Lookup the thread with subject "pro la scalas info" in the "Updates and Modifications" forum. I don't think they have less of a lower end. In fact, my 25 year-old docs say 42 Hz at -5dB for the industrial versus 45 Hz for the "home" version. Higher frequencies are often measured outdoors at a greater distance (e.g. 60 Hz at 10 meters) and should not be confused. My docs also state a type AA crossover which is the same as my "home" La Scala's from that period. Peter

Peter: Its a tough call. Yeah. Didn't mean to hick jack the thread either, but I'm sure the discussion is relevant. Obviously, the Heresy would voice-match your La Scalas much better than a Reference center, and yes, you can probably get two of them for less than one RC-7. However, I like the crossover points for HF and MF much better for HT on the RC-7 (versus the Heresy). That and the tractix horn, while some may not prefer it for music (not my opinion), does really well for dialogue with the RC-7. The RC-7 is just an excellent center, especially with its "2.5" setup. Between the RC-7 and the RC-35 is no contest (I own both). I would go with the RC-7 hands down. Well, that's good to know. It's an expensive speaker though. It'll cost more than I paid for the pair of La Scala's over 20 years ago. ;-) Cannot speak to the new Synergy. Never considered them before, but the C1 seems pretty big and heavy. Good sign? I would personally opt for the RC-7 and not sweat the difference in timbre. Just play your LaScalas in two-channel for music, and the all speakers for HT, and most will not really notice (unless they live here, that is). Its funny that this thread was started at this time. CaptnBob, Sheltie Dave, and I were just listening to some vintage equip in St. Louis yesterday when my friend (who is really not into audio) said he really did not care if the front three (or all five) speakers matched, he just wanted a 5.1 assembled (for only HT) from some of the "stuff" we recently stumbled across. To which I made the point that sometimes we get too obsessed with timbre-matching, for its own sake. Depends on your leaning and what is important to you. Many from HT would scream bloody murder about a lack of timbre-matching while some from 2-channel ----not so much. Seems reasonable to me. I don't mind the TV's sound all that much as a center, and it sound a lot brighter! But I can hear dialog well... Of course, I could be wrong. We need Heresy owners who use one as a HT center to weigh in. Yes, that would be nice. Thanks Carl! Carl.

Klipsch on wheels... I would not have believed it...

I wrote: Some people have reported not being happy mixing Heritage and Reference speakers but I have never tried myself (I am facing the same problem). You could try finding a bunch of Heresy's on ebay and using those all around. If you found 2 pairs, you could have a sweet-sounding 6.1 system with perfect timbre match. And other have siad mixing won't be so bad. I'm glad to hear it, but keep in mind a pair of Heresy's off ebay will be less expensive than a single RC-7. I face the same problem. I'm using the TV as center speaker between La Scala's. A few days ago, I decided to try toeing-in the La Scala's, and having done that I feel I don't lose much by turning off the center channel on the receiver altogether (e.g. phantom mode). My options for when I eventually get a center speaker next winter/spring are: - new Reference RC-35 - new Reference RC-7 - new Synergy C3 (anyone heard it?) - pair of heresy's off ebay (and use both of them as center channel) - pair of KG-4.2 off ebay (and use both of them as center channel) Any other suggestions? Anothe La Scala is just too big. I'm left with exactly 36 inches between my 52" 4x3 projection TV and the ceiling... Peter

This sheet lists some differences between the XR-30 and XR-50, but I don't know about the XR-25... http://www.panasonic.ca/English/audiovideo/audio/hometheatre/specs3.asp

On 10/25/2004 3:42:32 PM meuge wrote: I know I already posted, but here's the link to the wire I was talking about: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=100-740 It's CL3 rated, 12-gauge in-wall wire, $20 for a 100ft roll. If you need longer runs, the 1000ft roll is just under $100. I doubt you could get a cheaper deal and it's probably as good of a wire as you'll ever need. Sweet! I'd take that over Monster any day. Great link!

Some people have reported not being happy mixing Heritage and Reference speakers but I have never tried myself (I am facing the same problem). You could try finding a bunch of Heresy's on ebay and using those all around. If you found 2 pairs, you could have a sweet-sounding 6.1 system with perfect timbre match. As for the sub, matching brands is not as important because the sound doesn't need to match at voice frequencies. There are many threads you can consult on the "Powered Subwoofer" section of the forum. Hope this helps, Peter

You could almost make the case that what will drive a K-horn (104 db)(1.5 - 4W) can be doubled for a LaScalla (101 db) The La Scala has ther same efficiency rating as the Klipschorn, just cuts off higher in the bass (45 at -5dB; 53 at -3dB).

Synergy is indeed below reference.

As far as the sub goes, behind the listener's seat is actually a recommended spot. It leads to punchy bass. That's what I do.

Retails for C$500 in Canada, you lucky dogs. Plus it's hard to get a deal here.

I like my h/k avr-325 on my La Scala's, and I got it at a reduced price since it's a 2003 model. It's heavier (at 40 lbs) than the newer units, which can't be bad. Has an OSD. It has 7.1 and I also only use 5.1, but I can always say that the extra 2 are really my unused zone II rather than my unused 7.1.

As I understand it a sub woofer, by definition produces subsonic sound, i.e. lower frequency sound than the human ear can hear. No, that's wrong. You can hear 20 to 40 Hz. I'm mainly interested in music (which to me does not include the Eagles) So, if all we are talking about is vibration, I can live without it. Okay, church organs then. Or Jazz from Holly Cole. There's lot of music with low frequency content. Don't be a snob about it.

What is "DACS"? DACs? Digital/Analog Converters. I'm surprised you are having such a hard time. The speakers are set to "large" right? (I know it's a stupid question). My La Scala's sound great to me on a mid-fi harman/kardon avr 325. But I've not found of any fake surround modes. I listen to plain stereo for CDs and only use the rear speakers on music for DD or DTS encoded sources (no SACD or DVDA yet as my older DVD player doesn't output them).

Sorry... And I thought I was on to something.

I think it would probably take a pretty hefty subwoofer to beat the bass response of the Cornwalls. It's surprising what a sub can do. Play "Finding Nemo" chapter 25 where the little girl Darla taps the aquarium. Does your house shake? Play The Eagles "hell Freezes Over" DVD in DTS. Does the kick drum hit you in the chest? Cornwall I's do 38Hz-20kHz±5dB, which is a bit lower than my La Scala's 45 Hz but it's still high compared to a sub. There's lot of sound below 40 Hz in movie track (and even on more music). I added a Hsu STF-3 sub (-2 dB at 25 Hz) to my system and it really adds depth to 2-channel music. As far as movies, it's a new experience altogether. I set my fronts to Large on the receiver so they get the full frequency spectrum, set my sub to crossover to 80 Hz and send all materiel below 80 Hz to both the fronts and the sub (LFE + L/R). Sounds great to me.

It's got to be a store. Why else would the pictures be blurry, e.g. hurried. If you lived there, you'd have all the time in the world to take great pictures.

Found it! See http://home.comcast.net/~klone-audio/page13-12Shiva1.html Sorry I didn't think to tell you either. I just now made the connection that you needed something like this.

If you have been following this thread, you may remember that I have been trying to figure out a quick way to mount the woofer from the front. Here is what I have worked out to try. There are 4 10-32 drive in inserts installed from the front. The hole for the inserts extends all the way through the motor board so that 10-32 X 2 inch screws can be installed from the back through the inserts. Then some metal plates are installed and held in place with wing nuts. The strap across the bottom of the woofer gives a lip to hold the woofer in place until the wing nuts are tightened. I still have to get some small springs to go under the 4 metal plates that will hold them forward against the wing nuts to position them out of the way (turned sideways) to ease installation. Bob, there was a subwoofer thread recently in which a URL was provided to a sub built under the HT room (in the basement). The sub consisted of many 15" woofers and they were held in the hole using a similar arrangement, but using C-shape d pipe holders. I should find the link because my explaination sucks. But I think it would work. Peter

I have a product catalog from the Canadian distributor dating from ca 1980. The catalog has both my Klipsch and Nikko Alpha 220 power amplifier, which reminded me how I was introduced to Klipsch: The store where I got my amplifier had Klipschorns, La scala's, cornwall's and Heresys in the same room! Anyway, the catalog has two pages on Klipsch, including the mcm 1900 (huge thing with 2 15" drivers yielding 124 dB at 3 meters outdoors), La Scala Industrial and Heresy Industrial (looks like a stage monitor). The specs on the La scala are numerous, but i'll summarize with: SPL 96 dB at 1W and 3 meters (Note this is much further away than the typical 1 m) SPL 119 dB at full power (200W) at 3 meters. Frequency response: 42 Hz -- 17000 Hz +/- 5 dB measured indoors 60 Hz -- 17000 Hz +/- 5 dB measured outdoors at 10 meters, 1 meter above ground level. Drive components: Woofer: 15" K-43 Midrange: 0.7" K-55 (K-400 horn) Tweeter: K-77 horn tweeter Hope this helps. I could scan the pages and email them to you if you want. Peter

Well, the look-a-like thread I started a while back lead to a long-ago reply from PWK himself. And I wasn't even aware this was already issue 30 years ago. I guess that problem is here to stay. I for one won't be saving a few bucks to get the cheap imitation. The initial temptation to save a few dollars is gone. I'd rather buy used than do that. Thanks for the post Trey! It was indeed informative. I'm not sure I would have removed the initial thread though. I think it's good to leave a google trace for potential buyers of the look-a-likes to find so they can be better informed. Peter