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The bottom right cabinet will have a half width 15 bottle U-line wine fridge. I could put a half width fridge in the left side, but I don't know if I want to, seeing as the kitch fridge is 30 feet away. I'll have to reevaluate the situation after I get some use out of it. David Sweet David! I was half-kidding you know! That's a very nice looking setup you have there, congratulations!

Well, that's some more incentive for me to get my 31 year-old LS crossovers in BEC's hand...

Ok, last one. One more picture of the dry bar. David That dry bar needs... refrigeration! Add that to your list of future upgrades! (Although that would be noisy...)

I don't care about the physics involved (so far all of it posted is correct). Put 30 feet of wire on your left channel and 5 feet of the same wire on your right channel. After doing this, please try to tell me that you did not have to adjust the balance control ever so slightly toward the left to get the image in the middle... Physics is great but we must all be good observers as well... And you're not kidding? You have to touch the balance control for 25 feet of wire? Then replace that 28 AWG and put in some 12 or even 14 AWG.

On 10/20/2004 10:35:53 PM KiNNi C P wrote: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=197358 FYI, this thread says otherwise: http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/106358.html

Check out these for some modified LS's with grills... http://shinallandcompany.com/ They look pretty good! DM Modified LS's? Wow, I had never heard of them! These look like Klipsch Heriatge clones for half the price! What drivers and crossovers are in them? Are they the real thing or sheep in wolf's clothing?

---------------- On 10/20/2004 6:54:48 PM scriven wrote: Peter, First, I agree with you about the 10db figure. That is why I wrote, "-10db is usually considered half as loud". Even if I don’t totally agree, that is what is in all the literature and I don't have a better number so I used it. Second, yes we are saying different things. DM is saying that a -3db difference in SPL represents a 1/10 the power going into the speaker. I am contending that the db measurements in SPL and wattage work the same or that a 3db reduction in the SPL is produced buy a 3db wattage decrease. Putting it another way, I am saying the relationship between the wattage going to the speaker and the resultant SPL is linear while DM is saying it is logarithmic. DM, in case you would like to look it up - http://www.audiovideo101.com/dictionary/dictionary.asp?dictionaryid=405 - third paragraph, first sentence. ---------------- Hmmm. I thought that when he was saying "It's -10x the power, 1/2 the loudness from the reference (0db)." he was refering to your "-10db is usually considered half as loud.". Those statement would be the same. The dB scale is for sound, and thus you can't technically say 3dB more Watts even though we all understand what that means. That might be the source of the misunderstanding?

---------------- On 10/19/2004 2:41:27 PM D-MAN wrote: ---------------- On 10/18/2004 4:15:04 PM scriven wrote: -3db is half the power not half as loud. -10db is usually considered half as loud. ---------------- Scriven, negative on that, good buddy! -3db is a SPL level, not a wattage rating. It's -10x the power, 1/2 the loudness from the reference (0db). DM ---------------- DM, you are not saying anything different from Scriven. He is correct. A 10 dB difference is ten times the power, consequently a 3 dB difference is double the power. A 10 dB SPL difference is considered to be a factor of 2 in loudness, but it always seemd bigger than that to me.

No prices? I'm not really in the market, but I see so few La Scalas in Canada, and I do need a center speaker... Maybe my brother would be interested too.

Wow. I'm glad I asked! I'll decide soon enough, but I will do something. :-)

---------------- On 10/16/2004 8:30:11 AM DeanG wrote: "psg----You can just leave them alone and listen. They don't need maintainence, don't worry about it." Hmm, how do I say this nice? Oh, I know -- you're wrong! ---------------- I haven't decided what to do yet, mostly because of all the good options people have given. The current crossovers are AA. A likely scenario will be either shipping them to Bob for inspection and fix-up. It would be good to know the sonic differences between Dean's and ALK's crossovers. I'm using an h/k 325; not high-end tubes.

---------------- On 10/15/2004 11:30:58 PM edwinr wrote: ---------------- On 10/15/2004 10:15:33 AM Istari wrote: The Klipsch Heritage Center is a Belle Klipsch ideally, or a La Scalla for a bit closer sounding (but not looking) match. ---------------- Or one or two Heresy's if you're looking for something even smaller. ---------------- There's no way I'm putting a La Scala over my 52" TV. That would look silly. Even a pair of Heresy's will look silly when I eventually gather the funds and find some close to me (next to impossible in this part of Canada).

It would be reasonable to mention other brands in threads, but perhaps not to begin a new one with a non-Klipsch topic such as Help me decide which SVS sub to buy! Right? BTW, I agree that Klipsch needs a heritage center speaker!

S'lut l'oreille, Ben manque que j'comprends ca. J'ai du La Scala pis j'm ben ca aussi. A+

---------------- On 10/14/2004 3:39:20 PM D-MAN wrote: Electrically lets say the straw is an 20 Ohm resistor. Feed it 4 volts at 3 mA. Measure the output current. Now feed it 4 volts at 4 mA. Measure the output current. If you put 4 volts across a 20 Ohm resistor, 0.2 amps will go through it. How do you plan to limit it to 3 or 4 mA?

Too much SVS talk for you? I suppose it's bad marketing to have other manufacturer's gear discussed on your web site. Potential buyers might come here to see what the fuss is about concerning Klipsch and end up reading about SVS. On the other hand, it's nice to see an honest and open forum. (Disclaimer: I don't own a SVS sub) This really only occurs on the sub section. Perhaps Klipsch could see that as a sign that they need to be a bit more competitive in that specific market. But I will respect your wishes in the future.

---------------- On 10/12/2004 4:50:55 PM D-MAN wrote: There is no technical difference between bi-wiring or running 2 parallel sets of the same wire cables. No exactly true. There can be an order of magnitude less current on the wire going to the highs as opposed to half the current when running parallel sets of wires.

Most of the idea behind bi-wiring is that most of the current goes to the woofer, and so using a separate cable to the highs ensures quite a lot less current is going through that wire affecting the higher frequencies. Does it work? I don't know... I've never heard a difference.

I found them here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61378&item=5724476151&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW They are the original crossovers from his La Scala's; he has upgraded to ALKs. I wouldn't want to replace my old ones with his old ones unless Bob tested them first.

Interesting idea D-man, thanks. Bob, I tried to email you but the messages bounced back. I'll try using this site... Peter

Thanks Dean for an excellent summary. I see it would be difficult to get a concensus on which is the best sounding option. Daddy Dee wrote: Yep, I think you are thinking right on checking out the crossovers. It is fairly likely that they have drifted off spec over the years. You might find it interesting to take a look at the woofers, but I'd sure think that they'd be fine. Thanks. I would think you'd be fine otherwise I think I'd hear it. I do augment the bass with a Hsu STF-3 sub, now it doesn't affect all music material. Dean has laid out some good crossover options from Klipsch forum folk. They are all good folk and offer a unique alternative on crossover solutions. Probably the least expensive solution would be to have Bob Crites test and rebuild (as necessary using your existing crossovers) to replace out of spec caps. That's interesting. I didn't know about Bob. I haven't researched this very thoroughly yet. But with that option, I'd be without my speakers for a long time. Ouch. On the other hand, I can't say I'm overflowing with cash and the idea of replacing only what's broken is appealing. I emailed Al K yesterday and he said a matched pair of crossovers was $500 (if I recall correctly) and a kit was $330 (plus shipping in both cases). I'm think $500 might be above my budget for this since the speakers do sound fine to me. But what do I know...

Hi, I have a pair of 1973 La Scala which I got second-hand (from a cousin) in 1981. They sound great to me, but I figure after 31 years they might benefit from some maintenance. What is suggested? Can the crossover be visually inspected for damage? Should I dare to open up the bottom to inspect the woofers? Are Al Klappenberger's or DeanG's crossovers considered the best upgrade? (I don't even know what type of crossover I have in there but presumably Klipsch has changed the crossover since then.) As I understand, DeanG builds the same crossover circuit found in current Klipsch but with better quality component, and ALK crossovers are a different design altogether that result in an easier load for amplifiers (and a better sound). Is that correct? Which is better? Anything I should consider doing? These speakers are for keeps. I don't plan on ever selling them. Thanks, Peter

Billiardicus, You implied you were looking for value. In that case, I'd consider Hsu or SVS for a sub instead of Klipsch.

Orange Peel, Why in the world wouldn't a Pioneer Elite VSX-53TX be enough? A setup with 200W will be you 3 dB more; that's it! I listen to loud music with 1 W and to _very_ loud music with 10 W. Aren't your RF-7 efficient enough for you? 102dB is not very far from Heritage efficiency!

One thing I found is that in general I only need a small amount of output for my situation and my room is 24 x 32 with vaulted ceilings. I'm using very little of the sub power for a big room and still getting a dramatic impact. I'm happy with the addition of subs for the LaScalas. Same here. I borrowed both a small Paradigm PDR-10 and a Magnat (12 inch). Both could match the La Scala in volume by setting them at their mid point. Both helped the bass a bit. Then I purchased a Hsu STF-3. It matches the La Scala volume at a bit under 1/6 on its volume dial and adds _so much more_ to the bass. A bass drum finally sounds real and pounds you in the chest. I really recommend a sub with La Scala's.