Thanks for the reply guys, it never ceases to amaze me how nice everyone has always been on this forum. I wish I had people in my area to listen to systems and such with. Heck I have been to the Hope factory many times and only live 30 minutes from it. What do yall think about that Dynaco he posted. Heck if yall think it looks good I don't mind taking a risk on buying it and possibly getting a damn good piece of gear I will keep for a long time.