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I'll put these up here before they go on eBay and Audigon. KLF-C7 - Black 9/10 Condition Rope caulked horn Original Box $450 KLF-C7 - Black 8/10 Condition $400 KSP-S6s - Black 8/10 Condition $600 KSP-S6s - White 7.5/10 Condition Rope caulked horns $525 Pictures available. Private message me if you are interested. Thanks.

Why not just get the Cornwalls you want now, assuming that is the speaker you really want to end up with, and then build your system around what sounds best on them?

After we tried fooling around with them again today, I really wished I could have come back here and said that something was wrong with them. The problem is, everything in them with the exception of the woofers was replaced, and the wiring, which was never wrong to begin with, has now been checked by three seperate people. You could blame the room, but frankly other speakers I have had in it sound just fine and there is almost zero echo. Perhaps there is something else at play here, but I feel as though every alternative has been exhausted as the electronics were replaced. Exchanging these for another pair would be pointless. We could blame the tree the plywood in them came from, I guess, but that is rather absurd. I've spent as much time on them that I feel they are worth, so I am moving on. Anyway, thanks again guys. I already talked with the place that I got them from and they are taking them back no problem. Perhaps someday, as I said to Dean, I will fiddle with my D Khorns and see if I can make something out of them that I and my friends enjoy listening to.

Dean, yeah that makes a lot more sense. Someday I will come back to them. I own the Ds for nothing so its not like my investment is huge. Maybe come winter when I have some more free time I will rebuild them on my own and start playing around. For speakers he has: Wilson, B&W, McIntosh, Martin Logan, Klipsch, JBL and a few other lines. He just got in a set of gorgeous automotive black Wilson Watt/Puppys and also a nice pair of B&W 800s. Those might be the to two front runners as my next choice, though I hadn't really planned on spending that big right now. Hey it isn't an illness if you admit it right? One other option and I was thinking about taking a trip down to their facility in PA to check them out is Legacy Audio. Their Whipser speakers look like something I might really enjoy.

I have a pair of D Khorns in storage, that were given to me as a gift. The last time I heard them was a very long time ago and only briefly. I remember them being great but honeslty I was so young at the time, anything loud would have probably made me think it was wonderful. I recently bought a complete AK4 kit for them with new K33s as I wanted to use them as a replacement for my Cornwalls (which I also recently restored) because I finally had some decent corners for them. I made a few posts here about getting plans and info on converting my Ds to Bs, but I was given the opportunity to pick up a beautiful set of Mahogany '04s for a very attractive price, so I jumped on it. Basically, I went and got my AK4 kits for my Ds and put them in the new ones.

They are hooked up properly. I changed every single electrical piece inside the the cabinets with the exception of the woofers. I must have rewired these things ten times. Insulting me is neither going to prove a point nor does it make you look very credible. I am not the one here with the wounded pride. If I was not interested in the assistance of others in getting these things 'fixed' I would not have wasted my time even posting it. Get over it, its just a pair of speakers.

With the exception of purchasing an external EQ, I think I addressed everything covered in this thread. Unless you want to tell me that the cabinets are flawed. I'm sorry I am not happy with the speakers. Life goes on; you'll get over it in time. Keep your head up.... ok? What is your address? Maybe I can send you some flowers and a nice sappy card to make you feel better. -

Well I am glad I am not alone on this then. I honestly, am not looking to modify them. I'm sure they can be upgraded with better horns and drivers, but I'd rather not start hacking these up. It is a shame, because they sure are impressive to look at. Ah well, I guess these are going back. I think any future purchases I make will need to be auditioned in my room first. That is the only way to make sure they will be right for me. Thanks again to those of you who offered constructive help. Even though I did not come to a favorable resolution on these, I am glad I had a place like this to go and ask.

The Mac gear I've had for a few months. I was running the Cornwalls on them until I got the Khorns in last night.

Ok... I tried different cables on everything, interconnects, speaker cable, I even switched over to RCAs. All of that made it sound worse. So it is not the cable. I swapped out the tweeters, no change. I swapped out the midrange drivers. Very subtle improvement. I tried a new network in one of the speakers. No change. When I pushed the speakers back into the wall I really jammed them in there. That seemed to make an improvement in bass. I still like the Cornwalls better though. I think that may just be preference, not bass output. I took every pillow and small cushion in the house, along with quite a few blankets and have arranged them in the room in spots I felt would offer some resonance. Some slight improvement, but nothing major. The problem area is definately the midrange. It has a very blarring, in your face sound, that on most vocals is very ringy. The sound is very fatiguing. Is there anything I missed?

I am going to replace the networks later and even the drivers if need be. We will see what happens and I will certainly report back. Thank you to those who gave helpful suggestions. I think some people in here need to realize that what might sound good and be acceptable to them, may not to others. Sound like anything else in life is a matter of taste. Truth be told, I only got these because I did not want to shell out big money on speakers until I build my real music/theater room. As much as I admire Klipsch and its nostalgia, I never intended to have their speakers in my dream system. They are a good value, but far from what I ultimately want. I have a lot of seat time with speakers like Wilson, B&W, McIntosh and a variety of others. Perhaps that has made me a bit spoiled, but it certainly has illustrated to me my definition of ideal sound. I certainly hope no one takes offense to what I am saying, though I feel like I am already beginning to be chastised because I do not hold this entire speaker brand in as high of a regard as some of you do. Certainly, you should not be offened, because after all, it is just a pair of speakers. I have a lot of repect for this forum and the people that post on it because it seems like a very tight group of audio enthusiasts. I have not seen this with any other audio brand, and that certainly says something.

So I have disovered. That is not a deal breaker for me. I can always add a sub.

Dude, with all due respect the bass bins are working fine. I can hear the bass coming out of them and when I really crank it up, the furniture sitting on the floor above it starts shaking. Infact, I can hear the bass 2 floors above it in the bedroom. A 400 hz horn is not going to do that. They work, they just don't hit like the Cornwalls do and neither one of them hit like the Epics do.