Jeff Matthews

Now, I never knew Kris Kristofferson did it. The only version I ever heard is Janice Joplin's.

I had no idea you've been trailing me! Now, my cover's blown. Yes, my car is equipped with a SACD hacker, and it gets 100 mpg. Does this mean I have to return all the payola?

Hey, Tom-Tom! [] What are you doing right?

What'd he say? []

From what this appears, and I haven't heard SACD (at least not to my knowledge), it sounds like it might be good if not overdone and you play around with speaker positions (many of them) until you get it the way you like it. Then, a new song comes along, and you want to readjust your many speakers again - maybe. But I totally agree that the engineering among normal CD's is so hit and miss. Out of a huge collection, probably 5% or so have really great engineering. Rush did it in some of their later CD's. And if you haven't heard Santana's Moonflower double CD, it was put together great. They even have a good handful of live tunes on there that have much better sound quality than many studio recorded CD's. Supertramp also did well as did Steely Dan in some of their albums. Why don't they engineer them all to those standards?

What artto said also,.............BUT........................... My 33 year experience with Khorns and LaS,(many years ago)and from then to the present with Cornwalls......... The reason one backs off the volume, is because something starts to break down. That being, distortion levels become unacceptable. I can't remember ever wanting to run down the SPL's when the sound was clean. When I was forced to back off a CW, it wasn't because of my displeasure with the LF. I turned it down because the K600 (and crossover) was chewing my legs off! With a better mid-horn and crossover, now the only reason to "lift" is due to things falling from the walls.[] Regards, Terry EDIT: ....... These beasts take volumes much higher - about 2/3 (maybe more?). Really? Granted my CW bins are heavily braced, my average "sweet-spot" SPL is from 100 to 110db and with acceptable diaphragm excursions. What levels do you listen to? (Cornerhorns and/or CW's. tc All the rest of my stereo equipment is the same as when I had the Corns hooked up. Just wanting to know why I can push more volume through the KHorns. Also, I wasn't short-changing the Corns by any means. I have had them for 20 years. This year, I finally decided "what the heck" and impulsively bought the KHorns. I hadn't bought any stereo equipment in 20 years. I could have as easily died happy with my Corns. They are fantastic speakers. How do you measure dB? Folks keep saying they listen to music at xxx dB. Now, they are asking me. I have no idea how to answer. I suppose you have to buy a gadget. If so, I'll pass. Michael Colter has a Crown Microtech 1200. Maybe he can tell us what the level is when the volume is up 2/3d's.... Michael?

T-Rex: "Get it On." Next: "Busted flat in baton rouge, waiting for a train And Is feeling nearly as faded as my jeans"

2/3 volume at 600 watts .....???? Yowser .... !! .....can you still hear yer Drumset ...? No way. I'm way past drums at that level. At that point, I just want to sit for a a few minutes and go "Wow, these jam!" But, I think it's more like 200 watts, isn't it? If I run K-Horns out of the Microtech 1200 on only a 2-channel system, I think it runs around 300 watts/channel. I think the amp's specs are 600 watts/channel at 2 ohms, 400 or something at 4 ohms and 300 or something at 8 ohms. Am I not at 8 ohms? I don't know all the science to this. I could try to figure it out, but somebody just tell me. Thanks. BTW, still don't think anybody provided the right answer on why I can push more volume through a K-Horn. All the explanations about folded horn and placement had to do with why it might sound louder at the SAME volume. Why can I actually push alot MORE volume through a KHorn than a Cornwall?

I have Cornwalls and a Crown Microtech 1200. As a rule, I could never turn the volume up as high as half - many times, I could just barely go about mid-way between 1/3 and 1/2. At that level, you could see and feel those Corns' woofers huffing and puffing - but they definitely sounded good. Got Klipschorns. These beasts take volumes much higher - about 2/3 (maybe more?). At that high, I still don't get an impression they are huffing and puffing at all - it is just loud enough to make you paranoid. My question is why do the KHorns take so much more. My brother tried to tell me it's because the bigger mid-horn in the Khorn takes alot more, so you can push through more power without forcing it to the woofer (like sharing the load better). I don't know about this theory. But the KHorns definitely take alot more, and I know the Corn woofers would have burned at the same levels. Yet, they share the same woofers. How come?

Looks like Ray's out of pocket. Next: "Well, my dandruff is loose An' my breath is chartreuse I know I ain't cute An' my voice is ka-poot" I'll bet you guess the artist pretty quick, but Name that Tune! I had to post it because I just got through cranking the He77 out of it. This song is absolutely killer through my newsed Klipschorns!

I'd put Steely Dan just as close to them as any of the others that were mentioned. Plus, there is so much of it, you could spend awhile amassing your Steely Dan collection and listening to it. If you're looking into shifting bands because you've finished collecting all the Supertramp, check out Steely Dan.

90125 was really great, but I'd have to stay with the original Yes. As for the new Yes, what was the album they put out after 90125? I have it, and I don't recall. That says everything. It's like every great song the new Yes would ever do was on 90125. God didn't give it to them a few at a time. [] But after that, they were all out of good tunes. Completely out. []

Michael, somehow, I knew I'd be corrected. Okay, increase the number of samples. Still, your question is valid. Which is better? Let's let a statistically appropriate number of samples provide the answer instead of a handful of opinions that contain a hypothesis based upon KNOWN variable and when it varies. "I can tell you polypropylene sounds better" translates into "bla, bla, bla" when another proclaimed authority disputes it. So, rather than listen to them argue their points, I say let's use the public as a guinea pig. $10.00 says no matter what the public says, at least one of the advocates on this thread will disagree with the testing methodology. []

Years ago, my brother bought some floor-standing Tangents. I'd have rated them comparable maybe to a Pioneer HPM-100. Pretty decent, but no comparison to Heritage. Maybe comparable to Bose.

No bites. How about a hint?

" 'Bloom' shall have the meaning ascribed to it by a 2/3 majority of participants on the Klipsch Forums." [] The only issue now would be "On what day?" []

Okay, threads still going. Not that I care, but why doesn't somebody who has the equipment/materials (I don't) try this: Get two identical amps, two identical CD players and two identical pairs of speakers. Think anyone can agree on what these might be? Set the speakers up in the same positions and use Crites' switch box. Do your A/B test with 5 people. Play at the same volume (I wonder if anyone could agree what volume would be a good test). Tell the subjects you are testing Set 1 and Set 2 to see which is better. Do not tell them which is Set 1 and Set 2 when the test is being conducted. Play something like this: Set 1 and Set 2 - and ask all 5 separately which is better and why. Set 1 and Set 2 - same question Set 2 and Set 2 - same question Set 1 and Set 2 - same question Set 2 and Set 1 - same question Set 2 and Set 2 - same question That should be enough. If you get answers all over the place, there is no significant difference. If you want to blame it on their ears, you shouldn''t forget the ears are what it's all about. I would say the time it takes for someone who has the equipment to do this would be far less than the time it has taken for this thread to develop to this point and still go nowhere.

I had no idea this one would have been hard. Sorry. It was "I Just want to Celebrate." Try this: "We come from the land of the ice and snow, from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow. The hammer of the gods Will drive our ships to new lands, To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!"

"The Rover" by LZ Next: "I see a yellow man, a brown man A white man, a red man Lookin for uncle sam To give you a helpin hand But everybodys kickin sand Even politicians"

I think I heard one of those little wave systems or whatever they're called. I do remember being impressed with the richness of the sound out of such a small speaker. Other than that little novelty, nothing else ever left an impression. It is all marketing. Even for Klipsch. Remember the Tangent speaker made by Klipsch? It was so unimpressive, they didn't want their name to stand out too much on it - at least that's all I can figure.

http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/ Look at the main page for them. Tell me it's not about marketing. Giant room. Only a stereo and couch. No art, other furniture or "noisy" distractions - except of course the trim woman with the noticeable belly-button. [] I'd almost try a pair and swear they were good. By the way, they don't have the brain probe! []

That's a good one! Hey, I just thought of something. Here I am in my office, and my chair rocks. So, I sit back in it and am quiet for a minute, and I rock back and forth a little. Funny thing happened. I heard the Doppler effect of the cooling fan noise from my computer as my head moved closer-and-farther, back and forth. Then, I thought "THIS is not the TRUE sound of that fan. What an abomination!" It made me shudder in horror to think how my movements effect my stereo listening as I listen to all my favorite tunes. Alas, moving has ruined my life for all these years, and I have never even known it! I think what we can do is get together with Dr. Who and some other science whizzes on this forum and design and patent a device like a hearing aid. What it will do is process frequencies over short time intervals to take into account average frequencies after removing the Doppler effect. Then, it will only transmit those average frequencies through and into our ears. I don't know about you all, but I'd sure sleep better knowing my desire to move my head will no longer destroy the quality of music that the artists and producers intended me to hear. I'm a nervous wreck...... and shaking... [] Think about it. Through a probe into the brain, we can also program it to filter out the sound we hear as we "crunch" on a potato chip while listening to our favorite tunes. As I have matured into a fine appreciation of audiophilism, I have long since stopped eating or drinking ("gulp") whenever music is playing. We cannot allow music to go on being distorted by natural forces and must program around them until the battle is won! []

Remember the movie, "Any Given Sunday?" This thread reminds me of why the movie had that title. Think about it, and you'll find you are all full of ... [] You CAN use the A/B test and see what people discern, if anything. You WILL have to realize that when you leave variable components as FIXED constants throughout the test, your results are limited to only the fixed components. Obviously, some analysis should be given to whether changing out an otherwised fixed component will affect the test. And then, you still have to factor in the variables connected with the human brain (i.e. the placebo effect). So, try as you might, your task will never end. Somebody will always have a better opinion in their mind.... and the beat goes on. What really counts is marketing. If you get down to the nut-cutting here, you'll find what is most important is the ability to affect perceptions. If you can affect enough perceptions, you become influential, and when it comes to product development and marketing, that translates into $$$$$ and happy customers. In the end, I wouldn't care if my product was the best. I would only care whether more people thought it was the best and how long their belief persisted. That's why millions of Americans pay more to buy 4-wheel drive SUV's and trucks even though they will NEVER leave the pavement. Right? That's why they buy Cowboy boots even though they'll never be walking around where there are snakes. Right? That's why they pay 3x the cost of a Toyota for a Lexus even though they are almost the identical car and both will be worth $0.00 in ten years - or real close to it. Marketing, Amigos!!!! Not science. []

No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. [] LOL!

Oh, Michael. You're still here? I was just kidding. But okay, I'll take you up since yours was stumping me. Next: "World pollution, there's no solution Institution, electrocution Just black and white, rich or poor Senators stop the war" Now this was a rocker!