I saw them at the New York Consumer Electronics show in 2004....yeah it was a long time ago and yes I forgot alot but they sounded pretty good, I got a hat from them and the guy who runs or is the president or founder of the company was there showing off the gear. He seemed pretty enthusiastic but I suppose he should be. The stuff seemed nice to me anyway, if you do buy some shoot me an e-mail and I'll send you the hat because I haven't and I won't wear it.....