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Well the plus is an open book.  Can't beat that even if ideas are out there.  Need to try new therapies even if it isn't injecting lysol or taking chlorine tablets.
 
Considering a vaccine is likely a year away (unless they have to reset on mutations), therapies are the only way to go until enough of us are immune or dead.

I was going to add that I would rather hear EVERYTHING than have it done in secret. And yes...the mainstream media is completely ridiculous. Sad, that they choose to destroy this country for whatever reasons.


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Considering you have a bunch of folks (FDA/CDC/Fauci) there that the safe answer is the only answer (my opinion they need to get off their butts and feel some pain out of this), there needs to be some push to try new therapies (even if they are out there a ways[emoji2930]).  Everything has got to be tried and true.  If that was the case, we'd never have new therapies for anything because nobody would have new ideas.  Need to push the envelop on ideas and time frames.

And this is why he asks the tough (appearing to be stupid questions). Puts them on the spot. If folks are stupid enough to inject themselves with disinfectant, ingest Tide Pods are whatever other drugs and chemicals, let them do it.

Let’s just continue the “dumbing down of America”. That will solve all of our problems.


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This has probably been discussed elsewhere, but my veterinarian friend strongly recommended those finger O2 saturation monitors, like that shown below.  He recommended using one as soon as any symptoms appear.  Your O2 saturation level should be greater than 90%.  If below 90%, get to an ER ASAP.
 
I ordered one.  They’re not expensive.  Stay healthy.
 

Great idea. Thinking we need to order one. When I was so sick back in January my O2 level dropped to 82% by the time I saw my doctor on January 3. White blood count was elevated, fever, congestion, headaches. Felt like my body was attacking me. She wanted me to go to the hospital and admit through the ER. Thank God I argued with her and was prescribed meds and oxygen for home use. Took almost a month to fully recover. Was it CV19? I’m pretty convinced it was since I tested negative for the flu.


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You could substitute Pool Chlorine tablets.  Should last a while. 
Only thing you need to worry about is dosing since you will have to take a bite.

Lol!!!


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Can you imagine how much better it would have been for him, if, instead of lying by claiming he was being sarcastic, he would have said something like the following?
 
“I was incorrect.  I should not have speculated about the efficacy of medical therapies.  I should leave medical opinions to the medical experts.  I apologize if anyone ingested or injected disinfectants after my musings.”
 
Unfortunately, that will not happen. 

So, should he apologize for asking the experts if they were looking into those therapies? Should he apologize because the mainstream media takes every single thing he says or does and twists it to support an agenda? I’m just curious on your reasoning?

By the way I agree that he could have handled it differently. It’s a little difficult to be apologetic when everything you say or do is criticized to the extreme.


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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MQaRLkViXNA&feature=youtu.be

Enough said.


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You are correct, but he shouldn't be tossing out things like this in presentations. From CNN:
 
Then, he asked aides on camera whether zapping patients with light or injecting disinfectant into the lungs to clean sick patients from inside could cure them of the disease.
 
"Maybe you can, maybe you can't. Again I say maybe you can, maybe you can't. I'm not a doctor. I'm like a person who has a good you-know-what," Trump said, pointing to his head."

He asked if was being tested or researched although my memory could be wrong.


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Anyone got this answer?  How long will this virus live on the sidewalk?  My brother has to go to the hospital today for a CAT scan that the doctor says is essential and worth the risk. I suggested filling this spray bottle with alcohol and spraying his shoes upon return; but He says he'll just leave his shoes outside when he returns; but Saturday afternoon, I have a grocery delivery arriving. The delivery folks put the groceries on the walkway right outside my door, in the same area that everyone unavoidably walk on. Being in an apartment, I can't hose down the walkway, which is 100% in the shade, 100% of the time. 
Anyone know if this will live for days on an outside cement sidewalk?
would being concerned about this be going too far?  

Using proper precautions spray the shoes, tops and bottoms. Once disinfected move them to a closet, bathroom or other area.

Spray walkway area after shoes are moved. Be sure to use proper guidelines when bringing groceries in and putting them away. [mention]BigStewMan [/mention]


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Thank you, it's a trademark, a signature, ok just a habit. 
 
My wife gets on me, she says people are going to think your stupid, ha like I care.

It’s annoying, but you know that already.


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Sent Randy a fare the well PM...
Oh, you say he's back?

Yes. Randyh is back as 000


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Moderator discretion?

Not that I’m aware of.


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Hmmmmmmm.  Thinking of changing my screen name to RandyH to see what havoc I can wreak.

Just stop. I can’t take too much more. Love ya’ Carl. I need quite a few of those Lemoncello martinis about now! Tell your awesome wife I said hello!!!

 

 

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I wasn't aware that changing your screen name was against tos.  From a prior discussion a while back, the powers that be even explained how to do it, and the parameters including one could lose the former name if someone else snagged it during the 30 day minimum period.
Clarification?

Randyh had requested that his account he deleted and further stated he no longer wished to participate in this forum. Deleting an account has to be performed by Chad. Several
Posts appeared from 000. I received several PMs asking who 000 was. It’s been confirmed that is actually Randyh. Not against TOS.


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Wow.

For those of you asking I believe 000 is randyh. I’ve asked Chad for verification.


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I think in many states, the government has taken action to require forbearance that protects people from foreclosure, eviction, utility cuts.  I’m not saying that any government should take “control.”  Leadership would be nice though it’s only emerging locally.  I agree there are no easy answers - “it’s a kaka sandwich and we all gotta take a bite.”

You are correct about forebearance etc. exactly how long are landlords, utility companies, banks supposed to go without payment?

It is the responsibility of the states and local government to prepare for disasters such as this. They weren’t prepared. Exactly how much of this should the federal government be responsible for? Where does it end?


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Is posting links from Hillsdale College (promoted by Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin) spreading fake news?

If an article or speech is posted in its entirety how is it fake news. The reader can make their own determination. Or, are you saying people aren’t smart enough to decide what’s fake and what’s not when given adequate information.


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Yes, the system will be running again - everyone wants that. The re-engagement must be based on science for it to be a valid “structured reopening” and not some politician’s empty rhetoric meant to still up a reactionary base.  In the full context of that quote he said workers, small business, and the markets were being “crushed” and was implying that we’ll being going over the cliff if we continue to take the precautionary measures that are proving to be effective at slowing the spread of a deadly virus.  Is another few weeks of caution too much sacrifice to protect lives including the lives of our children.  Schools would also be re-opened and are Petri dishes for virus spread with each child wallowing in the mix and then going home for further spread - they are ideal vectors.
 
I think we’re all assessing what sacrifice we are willing to make for the greater good.  One side says “get the economy rolling to protect our livelihoods and wealth even at the cost of a few lives” the other says “sacrifice a few hits to our wealth and livelihoods for a bit longer (certainly not forever) to protect lives.”  I fall in the second group because, even as a capitalist, I think that we’ll build a stronger economy in the long run rather than accelerating along with the same thinking that put the economy on thin ice to begin with.  The economy was fragile, if it wasn’t the virus that triggered a collapse, it would’ve been something else.  A correction is needed whether we like how it feels or not but I don’t want to keep repeating it.

So what do you propose as a solution for those who can’t feed their families or will be facing eviction or no utilities? No transportation to and from work because their vehicles will be repossessed? Are you willing to offer to pay their bills?

Are you saying the responsibility to reopen with caution lies with the state and local government or that the federal government should just take complete control.

There are no easy answers.


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Yes and one of the main reasons why fake news is labeled fake news and the label sticks because it is true. A deliberate misrepresentation of what was said or done.

The problem is exacerbated further when others “share” and spread the fake news on social media when they full well know that’s not the intent of the speaker.


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Poverty Kills.  We stay locked longer, there's going to be a lot of poverty.

It’s already affecting a lot of people. Some folks are just not able to prepare for emergency situations, whether it’s hurricanes, earthquakes a pandemic or whatever.

 

A lot of people can only buy groceries for a few days at a time. Single moms, waitresses, unsupported college students and many more. Food banks are being over run. Utilities will eventually be disconnected, landlords will eventually evict.

 

Of course there’s that segment of society that will spend every penny they are given on frivolous things. It doesn’t really matter.

 

What matters is there will be NOTHING left to humanity if we don’t get to work on our economy. We can’t sit here twiddling our thumbs and BSing this virus and its cures and treatments to death. Mankind can not survive that long without serious repercussions.

 

As for the ugliness....please just be kind and respectful

 

 

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Me thinks the back and forth and questioning of ones draft status and how he/she served is way off base and hardly relevant. Jim served, makes no difference if he volunteered or was drafted. And really no one’s business how or why he served. I was of Vietnam service age and had the infamous “lottery” numbers. I was 10 numbers from being called to report when the war ended. Did I volunteer, no; would I have reported, yes. The draft thing really has no business in the virus arguments - regardless which way one leans 

I agree. I’m trying to keep this thread open and on topic.


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I'm not trying to change your mind on anything rather trying to keep you active on the forum by asking questions that I hoped would let you see why some might take offense with your posts.  You don't need to agree with me or my thoughts on matters but of course you know that.

Yes! This 100 per cent.


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In my opinion if we do not get this economy up and running again life as we know it will no longer exist. How exactly are we going to provide a relatively stable existence for our country or this planet for that matter.

For all of you that disagree with a structured reopening of the economy please share your thoughts.


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I think most, if not all, of us would sacrifice ourselves to protect our children but do you recognize that the lives of your children and grandchildren are also placed on the table for that wager?
 

Once again. Out of context. If I choose to go to work (we are retired and don’t NEED to work) and we sacrifice physical contact with our children and grandchildren to contribute to rebuilding this economy how are we placing their lives on the table? I don’t get it. Maybe I’m missing something here.


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So, are you willing to sacrifice the lives of any of your children or grandchildren to protect an average worker’s job, a small business, or markets?  I think there are better ways.  How much is a life worth?  The risk-reward equation is not comparable to driving a car. 

Not quite sure how you arrived at that conclusion. We would give up our lives to insure our children and grandchildren have a future. Hope that’s clear enough for you.


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Jumping on the bandwagon to bash a forum member because they don't agree with your political leanings?  Not exactly how a moderator should be acting, don't you think?

No bashing here. It seems that Carl always tries to help you out to no avail. Really has nothing to do with my political leanings and everything to do with statements and quotes being made out of context.


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