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Thanks folks for the great answers. I also checked the HDMI faq site here http://www.hdmi.com/learningcenter/faq.aspx and found just about the same answer. My next question is how do I tell if my receiver is capable of multi channel PCM? It's the pioneer elite VSX 84TXsi. It does 7.1, does that mean it's capable of multi channel PCM? Thanks again

I have a question that I haven't really been able to find a firm answer to. I have a pioneer elite amp from last years product line up. It does not however process Dolby true HD or DTS HD. I'm wondering if I purchase one of the newer HD DVD or BlueRay models that process those formats internally will I still be able to listen to the format or must the receiver be Dolby HD and DTS HD certified as well. Am I correct in believing that some players will pass the HD sound format but not process it requiring the receiver to do the processing. Alternatively newer players will process the HD format and pass it to a receiver that doesn't process the signal but will pass it to the speakers? Is it at all dependant on the type of cable passing the signal i.e. HDMI versus optical? Secondly, I'm wondering if the PS3 processes these new sound formats? Thanks for any input you guys and gals may have.

It's not legal but there isn't much that can be done if someone has a small amount for their own use. Now if they are driving a vehicle on the other hand that is a different story. It's also different if the marihuana is individually packaged for selling, then they are trafficking. In any case the rcmp can seize the drugs and destroy it. It's likely the police may have seen it and thought, hmm should I spend 45 minutes dealing with a joint or continue going to the theft/fraud/assault etc complaint? Which serves the greater good?

I'm originally an East Coaster hence the picture of Halifax's Citadel Hill for an avatar. I haven't been out here for very long but I've searched high and low for Klipsch and the only place I can find them is London Drugs, and I hate buying them there. The staff aren't as knowledgeable as they would be at a specialty shop, the prices are fixed at the msrp, and there are only one or two employees that can wiggle the prices down 10-15% and if you're not there when they are working you have to come back another day. I've only made it down to Victoria once so far but was pretty impressed by it, it reminded me a lot of Halifax too. I didn't make it to any Klipsch dealers though, I did the tourist thing and took in the sights.

I'm on the island as well, 3 hours north of Victoria.

I've never bought from him but read the reviews and buyer beware. There are a fair number of negative reviews saying the seller doesn't have the items in stock and only gets them after he receives the money. He might not be able to get what it is you've asked for. I'm doubtful he's an authorized dealer.

I just fixed my problem. The dvd player was set to PCM and not bitstream. I gather PCM outputs a stereo signal through the optical out whereas the bitstream will send a multi channel signal. I've been listening to some dodgey sound with a pricey receiver for a while.[:$]

Thanks for the suggestion. The only thing is the problem is there regardless of the selected surround format. And then why does the receier default to stereo when asked to automatically select the surround format?

My receiver doesn't seem to be differentiating between my surrounds. When I play a THX audio test signal or Avia signal both left and right surrounds play even though the test pattern is only being played for one of the two surrounds. I'm using a 5.1 setup, my gear is in my sig. Thanks for any thoughts. Edit To further complicate things, if I play test tones from the dvd players internal system it will only play the left and right speakers and nothing comes out of anything else even thoughit shows that a tone is being played. If I play a test tone out of my receiver everything works as it is supposed to. One more thing, my receiver has an auto source selection which picks the proper sound format for the source being inputed. anytime I use it it selects stereo. So, for some reason is my system just playing stereo and my receiver is converting it to a surround format? Does anyone have an idea what is going on here? Thanks

The RSW-12 has a msrp of 1,200 while the SVS PC 25-31 is 850. It's like comparing apples to oranges pricewise and the SVS still outperforms the Klipsch.

I'm a big Klipsch fan but I don't necessarily feel that the Klipsch subs offer the same value for the dollar that some other subs do. I've only heard the rw-12d in a demo room but I have to say I was not impressed. It sounded boomy and lacked punch which is unjustified at $899 cdn. I heard an svs a few years ago and it absolutely throttled the room. I ordered one last week and it should be in any day now. I know demo rooms aren't always the greatest and it was at London Drugs where a lot of the employees I've dealt with don't understand the gear to the same level that a specialty retailer would plus some of the walls were made of glass. Some other manufacturers with good bang for the buck are HSU and Outlaw.

The rf-35's have dual 8" whoofers while the 62's have dual 6.5' whoofers.

SVS has it www.svsound.com/products-parts.cfm

Wow, did I get ripped off. I bought the rs-42's at London Drugs for $500/pair. I'm happy with them but I wish I had had the dough to get the 52's.

I spoke with them about my room but it was a moot point. I'm living in a condo right now and will be moving into a house hopefully after Christmas. So I bought a huge sub, probably way too much sub but I'll certainly never wish I bought bigger or better. It's the recently discontinued PC-Ultra. The U.S. is sold out and now there is apparently one left in Canada. The new 13.5" version comes out this summer. In retrospect I have no doubt that the 20-39pci would have been way more than enough for me.

Thanks for the suggestions. I initially considered Outlaw as well but eliminated them as I wanted something bigger, deeper, and meaner. They have great subs for great money though. I also considered DIY but I don't have the technical proficiency or the time. It looks like I'll be going with the SVS PC-ultra, not the 07 version coming out this summer but the existing model. It's more than I had budgeted for but it is a LOT of sub.

I've been hesitating to ask this question because I know people are very passionate about their sub brands plus this is a Klipsch forum. I'm looking for a sub to add to my system and am down to two manufacturers HSU and SVS. Klipsch is very expensive where I live and the RW-12D is just under $1000 locally. I don't feel that's great bang for the buck so I'm looking at buying online. I'm torn between an SVS PC Plus model, either the mid size or largest model, or a comparatively priced HSU VTF-3 MK model. Does anyone have any experience with these subs or have any reviews on them? I'm curious if one is decidedly better than the other. Thanks for any thoughts

I have a pair of RF-35's, with RS-42's for surrounds and RC-62 for my center channel. I'm very happy with the RC-62

I haven't posted in a long time but I read the forums just about daily. I was out of town for quite a while and then had trouble getting back into my account. To make a long story short everything is going well and I have the Klipsch fever. I've been holding off on purchasing an HD format until a winner has been declared. The war is far from over but Wal-mart will have a good say in who wins. http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback184.html

Thanks for the advice folks, after careful considration I bought my first pare of Klipsch speakers today. I bought the RF-35's for $1325.00 Canadian, tax included. I don't know where these speakers stand with all of the audiophiles but to me they are stunning. Great speaker and great bang for the buck. I listened to B&W, Polk, and Paradigm but nothing could stand up to Klipsch. Unfortunately it's just the beginning, now I want a new amp, RC-35, RS-35's, and a whoofer to round things out. What have I started.

You're right, I was listening to both brands again today, this time with my own music. The sound didn't seem to "leap out" of the paradigms the way they do in the klipsch. I was listening to Johnny Cash's "Hurt" to get a feel for how they would play some delicate acoustic music and they weren't so hot. I then tried the Klipsch and the sound difference was amazing. I tried to buy the RF-35's today but the salesman I've been dealing with wasn't their so I have to wait until tomorrow. The other guy wouldn't sell them to me.

Thank you both very much, both were very helpful assessments.

Hey folks, I'm still in the market for a set of speakers, I've been listening to the RF-35's and like them quite a bit. I hate to make a big purchase without doing an adequate amount of research so I've been shopping around a bit. Today I listened to Paradigm Monitor 11's which were a good speaker and priced slightly less than the RF-35's. My question is can anyone tell me the real differences between the speakers, I wasn't able to listen to both brands today because I can't find a store that stocks both. I realize being in a Klipsch forum the answer will be get klipsch but what would an honest appraisal of the paradigm speakers be. Thanks

Well that makes a lot more sense! Dickering and bartering it is. Thanks

Thanks Dr Who, I've been to the store and love the sound and I do intend to buy the RF-35's. The only thing is there are only two stores that carry Klipsch in my area and one of them only sells RF-15's and less. The other is selling the RF-35's for 1400 tax included, it just seems a little steep compared to what they are being sold for on e-bay (I know the online auctions aren't authorized dealers but it gives me a place to start pricewise). People aren't going to pay more online than what they can get in a store so it gives me an idea. I'm a little surprised that klipsch doesn't have any of this information on their website, they seem to have very strict distribution practices. I've also checked lots of Canadian store websites and they either do not carry Klisch, they don't carry the 35's, or if they do the price is not listed on the site. Again these stores are not in my area by any means. I've actually spent a few hours trying to find a Canadian msrp for these online. Wow, I just checked barrets home theater and they are 500 US, that really makes the 1400 Cdn a bit suspect. Thanks again