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Got a good deal on some Heresy IIIs. I've owned 7 or 8 pairs of Klipsch over the years inlcluding a pair of Heresy Is. Recently sold my mint Fortes for what I paid for them in 1987. Eventually I got away from Klipsch. Couldn't take solid state and horns. Also the build quality went way down after the 80s. Currently, I have a Mcintosh main system with Aerial 7B speakers. Ran across the Heresy IIIs and decided to build a second system. Right now I have them hooked up to a Marantz receiver and using a Slim Device Sqeezebox as a source. I have to admit I'm liking the sound a lot. It's way different from my McIntosh system which is smooth and very listenable. OTOH the Heresy's give me some bite and definition that I like from time to time but in small doses. Today I purchased a Cary CAD 120s tube amp to try on them. I'm going to run the Squeezebox directly into the amp. Anyway I'm suprised at how much better the Heresy IIIs are sounding than the Klipsch I've owned in the past. I'm not sure if Klispch made a big improvement on them or if it's because they're in my bedroom. I think maybe the carpet and bed linen etc. absorb some of the harshness. In any case they setup sounds pretty good. The bass is not bad at all. Lack of bass was why I sold the first pair and bought the Fortes. regards, David

Hi, where can I go to look up the various incarnations of Heresys? I know of course the I,II, and IIIs but I remember other model designations HBR, H700 etc. I found this website for the serial numbers http://home.earthlink.net/~ivol/klipsch_cornwall/klipsch_date_codes.htm Is it a complete listing or is there a better one? I'm thinking about buying another pair of Heresys (used to some own a pair in the 80s). I figure they might meet the WAF in the second system. regards, David

I'm selling my LF-10 on Audiogon.com. Hard to find and usually expensive. http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?homesubw&1212613134 regards, David

Hi, just wondering if anyone here is planning on buying the Heresy IIIs. My dilimma is this: I've owned a number of Klipsch speakers over the years. Started out with some Heresy's in the mid 80s. Quickly moved to some Forte's. Roommate had La Scalas. Decided to go the sourround route in the 90s with the KLF 20 line. Decided that system was too large (also unshielded) and moved to the RF-25 line. Also have an LF-10. I still own the Fortes. None of the later Klispsch speakers ever matched them in quality or sound. Not even close. I recently sold my RF-25 surround system and I'm going back to a stereo setup. I just don't need a surround system at this time (kids, WAF, etc). I've set up the Fortes and they sound good but they aren't quite up to the WAF (wife acceptance factor). I'm had decided to buy a pair of Aerial 7bs which are the only speakers that I ever heard that sounded better than my Fortes. Aerial 7bs run about $2k used. Now I see the Heresy IIIs and I'm wonderin' if they might do the trick. Is there any concensus on whether these are going to be any good or not? In my opinion Klipsch lost their touch after the 80s and as you can see above I gave them a chance. I'm just wondering if the new Heresy is going to be old again - in a good way. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. -Dave

The bookshelf on the stand to right in the fourth picture down on http://www.klipsch-direct.de/Messeberichte.html David

None of the Heritage speakers are shielded are they? Anyone know if the new Heresys will be? -David

Any chance any of the Heritage line will have shielding? I've had six sets of Klipsch speakers and my RF system is not working for my wife in the new family room. I want to go back to a stereo set up with some nice looking Heritage speakers but the shielding is a concern. I'm not going to do any of the magnet stuff either. -David

I considered using bucking magnets. I ultimately decided against it. Do you really want to glue or attach a magnet to the back of your driver magnet and, as I remember, you put it on there so that it's opposite the force of the driver magnet. Think putting two north poles together.

Dude you will surely be disappointed going from the Forte to the RF-5. The Fortes were near the end of an era of the last of the the golden Klipsch speaker lines the tied back to the Klipsch classic line. Just prepare yourself. I've still got my Fortes but have had KLFs, and various RFs since then and have RFs now. The latter can't touch the former. But since you're bringing yourself into the modern age with shielding 5.1 and all that you might as well bite the bullet. Just don't expect too too much and you'll probably be able to handle it. Allow a transition period. regards, -David

---------------- On 6/26/2004 7:16:42 PM boomer9911 wrote: I will say Denon, is a great product also, alot of people here own Denon, but then again, they are both owned by the same Company ---------------- I don't believe they are owned by the same company (Philips). At least Denon was not owned by Philips (which owns Marantz) several years ago. Also I would say check out both Denon and Marantz before you buy. Denon is popular but the only reasons I can figure out why is because they have good marketing, good literature, and a good website. I first bought a high-end Denon and found it not only didn't sound that great but the ergonomics of using it were plain bad. I shipped it back and bought the Marantz. The intelligence with which Marantz is designed will show itself the more you use it. Stuff you don't even think of will show up that makes you say "that's really designed well." For example the Denon I owned for a couple of months didn't come on automatically when the TV was turned on. The Marantz does. Maybe Denon does now but it didn't then.

I would no. I trial both Denon and Marantz and the Marantz was superior in every way.

My friend just loaned me his Tjoeb4000 with upsampler. It sounds really good. I've got a high end studio quality Technics to compare it with. It's funny because though I can hear some difference in the sound and smoothness between the two, it's more of the difference in the physical reaction that strikes me. I feel very relaxed listening to the Tjoeb like I can just here for hours listening to it. There's no urge to rise from the chair and adjust anything or find another song to listen to. It's hard to describe - the Tjoeb is just plain listenable. I'm listening to it on Forte's. You know how Klipsch horns can accentuate the highs and impart a sense of harshness? Well the Tjoeb cools them down noticeably. There's a sense of: this is how music is supposed to sound. I was going back and forth between the Tjoeb and the Rega. I'm sure they're both close in terms of sound quality. Since the Rega is top opening and I need to put mine between shelves, I'll go with the Tjoeb. I don't feel I can really go wrong with it after hearing it in my own home. -David

My interpretation of resolution may be different then yours. <...> A cymbal for instance on the Tjoeb sounds closer to live do to the weight & texture of the sound over the other players I'm A/B ing it to. It sounds less digitized & stealy, making for a more musical presentation. Tom ---------------- I agree. The Tjoeb sounds great. I guess my interpretation of "ceiling" was different from yours.

---------------- On 10/22/2003 11:10:09 AM Are Friends Electric wrote: btw, A/B comparisons between 777ES SACD versus Tjoeb CD on similar titles have been very interesting, ultimately there seems to be a ceiling to high resolution capability in the Tjoeb, but it's still very enjoyable and involving. ---------------- Isn't the ceiling on high-resolution capability on the Tjoeb more a function of it using tubes? Tubes roll off the highs giving tube equipment the coveted "warmth" that is always mentioned and in this case the ceiling on highs.

Oh yeah, definitely get the Klipsch. No contest. Really.

---------------- On 10/6/2003 3:02:40 PM justin_tx_16 wrote: I have heritage speakers and reference, I have HD-600's for that matter with a tube amplifier powering them, and I don't think any of my ProMedia's sound like "dog food". Yeah, the new speakers will sound better, but give the ProMedia's some credit. ---------------- Yeah, we'll give them credit but they are what they are. It's like comparing a Honda Civic and a Posche Boxster. Both good cars but a large difference in performance. You'll hear a big difference.

I would echo what the first responder said: that is, the rega and the tjoeb are the best. A friend just bought a tjoeb off audiogon for about $500 and it is amazing. I've got a pretty good two-channel rig at home but now it bothers me a bit to listen to after hearing the toejb. The best way I can think of to describe it is all the instruments sound like they're in the right place. This sounds like an odd statement but that's how it struck me. It sounds like you're sitting in front of the stage. Now, with other CD players, to me it sounds like the instruments are all over the place. By this, I mean they sound jumbled like they aren't a nice ensemble but are disjointed and not in what would be their normal physical locations. I could sit here and say "veil upon veil was lifted" but a more accurate description would be that the music just sounds right on the tjoeb. I would listen to the planet too. You can't go wrong with either. BTW, my friend just bought the $300 upsampler for the tjoeb. I haven't heard it yet but he said it sounds even better. Hard to imagine that but that's what he claims. -David

I don't see any distortion from my rc-25 which sits right under the tv.

---------------- On 9/4/2003 4:25:44 PM HT Rookie wrote: Chinoloco Thx for the reply. I am curious, how do you like the dipole speakers (RS-25), the guy at the store was trying to sell me on them, but I would prefer to use the RB-25's ---------------- I have the rs-25s which I like. I previously had a pair of Forte's as surrounds and while they sounded great with 5-channel stereo, they projected the surround sound in movies a little too much. By that I mean you could hear sounds coming from a specific location (the speakers), when it should have been more diffuse (for the surround effect). The surrounds work very well in my opinion and I'm glad I went that route. I think the sound is much more as the producer(s) meant for it to be heard. It's cool now to hear the surround audio such as a baby crying in the backgound or the sound of being outside (crickets!) sounding so realistic. Surrounds clearly don't measure up to full-size speakers when playing 5-channel stereo. The RS's sound a little harsh actually and I don't know if that's the design or if they aren't broken in yet. I need to put on CD, crank it up and leave the house and maybe that'll smooth them, if not the neighbors. So I think it depends on what you want to use them for. If you're watching a lot of DVDs I would recommend the RS's. Plus they take up less space and can be set on the end tables if you want to. -David

I bought a complete rf-25 system recently. They sound pretty good especially at that price point. The vinyl veneer is cheap though; it wants to peel off. I needed the smaller center so that's why I went with the Rx-25s. If you look at the specs, there's only 8 Hz difference between the rf25 and rf35. I have an LF-10 sub and set the bass cutoff in the receiver to 80 Hz. This worked quite well. The bass sounds great this way. I think with my old KLF-20 set to large and sub things were just muddied up a bit. I would not use the rf-xx for two channel but for home theater I think it's a decent line. I have a 2-channel system with Forte's which sounds awesome. I do listen to the rf-25 in two channel though when I'm downstairs and they're not bad especially for casual listening. If size isn't a problem and you want to listen to 2-channel much I would get the rf-35s, otherwise the 25s will be fine (and with a smaller footprint!). -David

---------------- On 7/18/2003 6:25:47 PM jzoz01 wrote: I'm on my last year of school and I have no debt (although I have no savings left either), so I think I'm doing ok. I did some math and if I move back in with my parents for a few months when I get out of school, I'll have saved enough money on rent to buy a couple RF7s. Not really sure if the end justifies the means though. ---------------- Oh yeah, I think it definitely does. I know a few people who did that and while I was paying for an apartment and all the other things that go with living on your own, several guys I worked with who had lived with their parents for a year were buying new cars paying cash, buying their first house, etc. They got in same shape financially in a year that it took me 4 or 5 achieve. I eventually got there but take adavantage of a good situation while you can, you've got plenty of years on your own where you'll miss the easy living of home.

I would get the the three's. They'll be much easier to ship when you sell them after Klipsch comes out with their next big thing.

---------------- On 7/17/2003 10:21:21 AM jzoz01 wrote: Oh well, one more year of school, last year of being poor (or so i would like to think). ---------------- Yeah, I used to think the same thing.

---------------- On 7/18/2003 10:20:34 AM batibot wrote: Did I made a bad choice cuz $150 more and I could have got the 25's ---------------- Probably not. Klipsch probably uses a lot of the same components in both. I've got the 25's which are not bad for the money. The 15s don't go quite as low number-wise on the bass but I run mine on small (80 Hz cutoff) anyway with an LF-10 subwoofer. The system sounds pretty good doing that. I doubt you can tell much of a difference between the 15 and 25 especially if you use a sub.

---------------- On 7/17/2003 10:15:43 PM DaddyDee wrote: <...> Anyway, never have gotten any response to multiple voice mail and e-mail messages and have never gotten a real person to pick up the phone. ---------------- I think you'd be nuts to buy from a guy who doesn't return phone calls and e-mail. How much service do you think you'd get *after* he has your $$$.