ClaudeJ1

And you ain't Paul Klipsch, so what? And you know I'm not wrong about horns on walls, corners and no corners.

OK, then, I should have said to Marvel: It's my OPINION that a Khorn against the wall is not as good as a Khorn in a CORNER that "completes the horn" as it was designed over 75 years ago to go below 60 Hz. at it's full effective length. One of the things I learned from Paul, who urged me to join the Audio Engineering Society, is that, I have a very low tolerance for bullshit in audio. Selectively allowed to exist on this forum from favored posters. Not naming names of course, because that would only be another opinion. However, this forum has less of it than many of the others out there for anyone looking. As to your "curves challenge," I'd like to see YOUR curves from 1977. I was 23 when I could finally afford Khorns, with my very first bank loan, while you were a 13 year old, new teen ager. It's not like we had free software, computers, and cheap omni microphones available back then for the task like we do now. So the average amateur, like me, has very few excuses for not having DATA to back up their "conclusions" so strongly and incompletely stated. I had Khorns for 30 years with a mono middle. I sold them in 2007 to get MWMs with K-402s with subwoofers. There's still a lot for me to learn about bass below 60 Hz. either way. LOL. besides all that, the Midrange is where we live, remember? And you designed way more Mid Horns than bass horns, last I looked..............................until very recently, of course. Also not an opinion. If my bullshit opinion was not deemed to be of higher quality than the rest of them, why do you even bother with it?

Your point was made nearly false by mentioning "brick wall" and "rocking" as an adjective. It was clearly your fuzzy reading OPINION. Now go mount those 12" drivers into the Snail Horns I sold you for less than the cost of the lumber. Then you can start a thread when you measure them in and out of corners and show CURVES instead of mere WORDS, however Incomplete your data or points of reading might otherwise be.

I'm glad you find this forum to be free entertainment, Chief. I would also, if I were in your shoes. LOL If my "opinion" is factually wrong, then why did Paul create 4 ft. corners to Complete the K-Horn Mouth in his own home, while also writing about it in the Dope From Hope? Yes, a Khorn in a living room, against only a wall, is not as good as in a corner, especially since PWK recommended having "sealing flaps" for use in a corner to increase output above 300 Hz., aye? Also, why did everyone get on my case when I posted YOUR curves of the U-Jube NOT in a corner with it's 60 Hz. drop off? I just want to know the threshold of where and when fact suddenly is deemed to be public "opinion?" I had to build one of those false corners in order to move my Khorns to an apartment for a year in 1978, until my wife and I bought our starter house. Having and early influence of PWK in my teens, certainly got me going after the Physics of it all beyond just Consumer Music Enjoyment. My father's name was Paul. My only son's name is Paul. Paul Klipsch was the same age as my dad's mom (my most influential Grandparent born the same year as Paul Klipsch). Whether it's mere coincidence or divine intervention, I have certainly enjoyed the Paul connections in my life, and still do.

Perhaps you can't even imagine how many speakers I have heard over the years, which would also more than validate my "opinion." IjJust measured Khorns without false corners years ago in 1977 with a db meter which is all I had then. A Klipschorn is only a 4 foot long horn out of a corner, with a rear exit, and it does have less bass against a wall vs. a PROPER sealed corner. Where are your measurements? Speakers do not have "brickwall cutoff." Horns can actually output bass below their cutoff. So basically, all the "rocking" you did was mostly 60 Hz. on up. Get back to me when you have curves that contradict this. I'm betting you won't either way.

Only down to 60 Hz. without corners, however.

This is why I have Yamaha Pre Pros for 2.1 and 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos. High end performance with everything built in, including the fabulous ESS Sabre DACs. Now all newer stuff from China is good and it's cheaper if you select carefully.

Saul Marantz himself told me to use Tubes on top and Solid State on the bottom, in 1976. I have always followed his advice. It has never failed me. Had all really good tube stuff in my teens, 20's and mid 30's. I'm done with all the fussiness and permanent "tone controls" and "euphonic distortions" of tubes. As pleasant as they may be, I now prefer affordable "straight wire with gain," which modern class D amps do easily and without load dependence. Now all I do is add more amp channels and more drivers. Real progress when you get your head out of the 70's.

I can understand also. I was a Tube guy once. I just got more experience later in a different direction. Kept the best and kept going. Personal choice is still Personal Choice.

I totally agree with these sentiments. I just got the "valve fussiness" out of my system long ago. Valves are now like swimming pools, yachts, and Ferraris to me. I don't want to own them. I just want a set of Keys from those who do, so I can enjoy them when they are in Europe on vacation! LOL.

Another opinion concerning Tube Amps, not class D Chip amps. fish out of water.............. MY Qualifier for amps is NEUTRALITY given by SINAD testing. Valves have terrible numbers in comparison, which means they are a preferred distortion over neutrality. Nothing wrong with that preference if it floats your ears. I had all those in my teens, 20's and 30's. I like the new Millenium better.

There is no better value than a used Yamaha CX-A5000, with ESS Sabre DAC chips to use with PA5 II's in mains and Ayima 07's for the rest. The Yamaha was $2,500 new. Got 2 myself as refurbs for $1,300. Now you can get one for a lousy $500. YPAO room eq rocks with one mike reading. You will thank me later, I guarantee it. Cornwalls are Fab and you may not need subs with them for music. Great 5.0 setup you will have.

Nothing "mysterious" about a failure, unless you are an E Tech. trying to find the cause. You could have sent it back and waited for a version II. The best thing about Topping as a company, they are really quick at fixing their mistakes and for a lousy $250 ($100 less than I paid for my 3 versions 1's) of Inflated Cash (where a US dollar is now a dime) you could have a great power amp that trumps all the class A and or a/b amps of the world, putting out less than a 100 watts. Except, of course the $3,000 benchmark if you prefer to spend 12 times the money for something physically larger with only bragging rights vs. performance. There is just too much negativity in our society and Internet Forums are no exception. Add to that, Heritage Klipscheads still have their Minds in the 70's when it comes to realizing that a US Dollar is now only a Dime. So, on top of that, we are all a lot of Cheapskate Whiners. Chinese EE's give us incredible electronics for 1/3, or less, than the price you would pay if it were made here, yet y'all still whine just like the rest of the cheapa$$ Audio Communities out there. Heritage and Pro Klipsch Speakers are still the exact same price they always were, relative to a working middle class person's buying power. They are just a clear indication of the FACT that a dollar is now a dime. PWK would be totally amazed at how good these TI 3255 Chip Amps are. I wish he had lived to experience them.

Close enough. I use 4 1/2 Ayima A07's for surrounds, and a PA5 for mains in HT.. I also use a PA-5, both version 1's downstairs in 2 channel. Zero failures and I never shut them off! Only the pre amps are turned off. Zero failures since day one. Ignore the naysayers out there. They probably used them on inefficient, direct radiators, that draw too much power and got them to flame off! Horn guys never worry since we hardly ever draw more than 1 Watt!

bass On the good news front for me, excellent. Some bad new for friends, not to dwell on here. I would like your impression of the sound of those. Those woofer have higher than normal inductance, but they should do very well for bass in those Snails. Just don't cross them too high and they can take quite a bit of PEQ boost if you need it.

Not simple as installing drivers in Snail horns instead of typing. LOL. Just yanking yer chain, a little.

I was there when Mrs. Dtel and daughter all looked at each other and said "we want those."

I sold my Khorns to a Canadian guy and picked up 4 MWM Singles with 4 15" woofers, which were K43's. The Klipsch original designs were like the clones in the picture (only came in black) from the commercial side in the late 70's and into the 80's. You could only get them used. They were some of the very best bass horns you could get from Klipsch at the time. Klipsch even did a commercial version of the Khorn called a TSCM with it's own built in corners that were more rugged than Khorns. A few of the more serious Klipsch freaks own those for home use. I'm pretty sure Roy re-designed these big bass horns to be shallower and mate with the 1802 Theater Horn Subwoofers that are now used in many Movie Plex Theaters.

I most certainly would if I still hadD (sorry my D key will only type caitalizedD, new keyboar on on it's way) my Klipschorns of 30 years. It would have to be the largest one, though. Large Horns still rule, even in the subwoofer universe!

It's more phase coherent from woofer to mid section. The heavy lifting of the low frequencies is done with a larger horn and reduces overall IM distortion in the process. And it goes much lower than just a Khorn. I had Khorns for 30 years and only upgraded to Jubilees an MWMs after 2007, including getting the Home Theater bug with more channels and subs for movie sonics. PWK put the Jube above the Khorn while Gary Gillum put the MWM there also in the commercial sector.

I had Khorns and a LaScala mono center with PWK's resistor box for 30 years. I think any form of LaScala in a 2.1 or, better yet, 2.2 configuration (sub front and rear room center) would trounce a pair of Khorns, but that's just my opinion. I doubt that Roy would ever make that statement in a public forum (with curves). You and I are outsiders, after all.

Got mine and got halfway through. First class printing job as well as the packaging. Great kleenex worthy story by the Chief. PWK treated my wife and I like long lost grandkids when we spent a day with him the year before the Chief got aboard the Klipsch Train (referring to PWK's love of Locomotives). Confused a little by all the white space around the "mini Dopes" that are illegible. IDK why they exist. Oh well............someone will explain. Still a great history lesson even though I have 2 different sets of the Klipsch Papers (one set with PWK autographes in 3 places) that contain DFH's I read before in over-Xeroxed PDFs. I do appreciate the authenticity of the color reproductions of the original paper stocks on pure white. This book is precious and first class. Congrats to the team on the excellent collaboration. Mr. K called me "one of his Victims" when I met him. It's still true today.

Wishful thinking................................maybe not!

Yes, it's called "double digit distortion," of the gross harmonic type from a direct radiating device. Although subs, in general, do avoid the nastier Intermodulation Distortion, because they take the load off the woofer section of the full range speaker in the band where it would Create the most of it. For the identification thereof, Paul Klipsch received the Silver Medal of Honor from the Audio Engineering Society. I was a member in my 20's, influenced by PWK when I bought the "Klipsch Papers" and read them all in the 1970's. He autographed them for me and made some hand written notes in them. I treasure those papers to this day. It's one of the best speeches I ever read, when he received the award and I was still a member, to read it. Going through a horn, you are using it as an "acoustic impedance transformer" from high to the LOW Impedance of Air. Something I expressed to Paul Klipsch and Jim Hunter (1985). However, they both told me that using that terminology would be lost on the average consumer. They were correct. However, using it here should work out just fine to my fellow Klipsheads! This is something Roy has obviously mastered, and IMPROVED, via the tutelage of Paul Klipsch, and the practice thereof, going on 37 years. Positive vibrations and much success to Roy and his team.