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Raider

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  1. I'm considering buying some Reference Klipsch's. Before I buy, is there anything I will need to tweak or modify?
  2. I had a few minutes to go by a local Reference dealer and was able to hear the RF63, RF62, RF52 and the RB51. Wasn't at all what I expected, which was for the voicing of the various speakers to be much closer than it was. I used a CD I am very familiar with, "Out of the Grey" and first listened to the 62's. Wow. I was surprised at how deep and articulate the bass was. I clearly preferred the 62's to the 52's. Then I heard the 63's. After a good while of comparison back and forth, I told the salesman that you could easily be infinitely happy with the 62's - if you had never heard the 63's. I was really surprised to hear how much difference there was in the voicing of the two. The 62 was detailed, balanced, and articulate, very detailed and dynamic. The 63 took this to a whole 'nother level. The midrange especially was more natural, as if the instruments were in the room. They were also more holographic or three dimensional. Comparing the floor standing to the bookshelves confirmed others assertions here that the floor standing models give up nothing in imaging/staging but add a very natural octave of bass. The real surprise for me was how good the RB51 and RB61 were. These to me are the clear choice for space restricted applications, when augmented by a sub. I will likely use a pair of the RB61's in my office/studio. The speakers I didn't get to hear that he didn't have on hand were the RC64, the RF82 and the RF83. I also didn't get to hear any Klipsch subs as most of the time listening to the floorstanding speakers they weren't needed. I concluded that any sub used with the floor models would have to be very articulate very deep to be a good match without distracting from the excellence of the bass already there. What are the best value Klipsch subs? From what I heard tonight, I am leaning toward RC62, RF62's and RS52's, But it is really tempting to bite the bullet and go with RC64, RF63 and RS62. However I was disappointed not to hear the RF82, which I have heard many say is a value leader, or to hear the Reference flagship RF83. Any feedback on what I should expect from these appreciated. After I left there I went to a BB big box store to look at TV's. While I stopped to look at a camera, everyone stopped in their track to hear Pink Floyd's alarm clocks going off from the rear of the store. Three young sales guys were amusing themselves by playing this REALLY loud. I was amazed at how clear it was from the front of the store. When I got to the back the were using a Synergy Klipsch system. The volume of the system with no distortion in such a large warehouse spoke for itself. But as good as it was, and clearly so relative to the other brands there, I was surprised to see how little more it took to get into the Reference line. I could also tell a distinct difference in the voicing, and the difference in the woofer material. Later I was in Costco, and ran across the iFi for only $199. Seems Kipsch is at every turn for me tonight. Is Klipsch in m destiny, or just my reticular activating system at work? The thing tonight I am having trouble forgettting is the remarkable, natural dynamics and musicality of the RF63....
  3. Thanks for the detailed response and the welcome, from others as well. Glad to see that PWK's philosophy is still regarded well in the corporation.
  4. Roger that. Do you know if the RF63 and RF83 are configured using the technology from line arrays where each successive driver from the tweeter produces less and less of the midrange spectrum to minimize comb filtering effect? From the product literature, the center channels apparently use this approach given the references "Klipsch Tapered Array technology operates all of the woofers at the lowest frequencies". If so the resulting crossover is considerably more complex and would account for part of the significantly higher cost of these models, along with the real wood veneers. Does te RF83 and 63 use a similar technology? Thanks
  5. Which reference models are made in Hope? (like to keep the home folks working if I can). To me, monitors on a stand take up the same footprint as a floorstanding models, and often the cost of the stands and monitors approach the floor-standing cost. So it seems to be a tradeoff between lower bass and maybe slightly lower cost. I haven't had a chance to compare the models to each other, since I was comparing with B&W before. Frankly, especially for HT and live music, the efficiency of the References was pretty compelling, understanding the implications. I've found headroom, however you can get it, is an always a good thing in the audio experience. I had read on an HT forum that the impedance of the RF83 dipped pretty low at times; I wanted to verify that this isn't so, since there is so much disinformation out there. Do you feel the midrange is as good on the 8-inch models as with the 6.5 aqnd 5" models? Usually there is a tradeoff, unless there is very careful engineering. More so than sonic signature, (you either love it or you don't, and I did) I was curious as to the physical differences between gen 3 and 4 (enclosure, crossover, driver changes etc.) Thanks for your response!
  6. Thanks for the responses. I plan to assemble a 7.1 HT system that will capture the theatre experience. The room will receive acoutic treatment after installation, and problems are identified. The system will be used equally for music for myself and the family. A Yamaha RX-V659 at about 110w/channel will power the system. Room is 15x17. Where are the Reference series made? I have considered monitors from several popular mid-high end manufacturers. I take it from the comments that Klipsch would not be recommended for near filed monitor use? I would be using these in my studio/office for general listening, auditioning downloads, and for Garage Band use on my Mac as a learning tool for me and the kids. I always found accuracy paramount for such use; Ironically the studio monitor camp is divided between using speakers with known coloration or accuracy. Since I first heard Klipshorns in a studio demonstrated by Paul Klipsch, I'm surprised to see no recommendations from the current product line. The generalities in the literature have made it difficult to compare and discern between models, so I hoped to receive feedback from those experienced with the different models. Most every manufacturer seems to have models witin their line where a certain synergy takes place and some models emerge as being the best value. Are there any in the Reference line where this is true? Lastly, since I've been away from Klipsch for a while, how faithfully is Klipsch carrying on Paul's tradition? Fundamentally at this point I'm trying to decide whether my money would be better spent on Klipsch, or on proven DIY designs using premium drivers. Anyone with experience of opinions welcome. Thanks
  7. This is my first post so be gentle. While in college I had the priviledge of hearing Paul Klipsch speak at the opening of a studio in Nashville ('74 or 75 I think) where Klipschorns were hung upside down in the control room. Paul delighted in demonstrating the efficiency. He asked all the music biz folks to cover their ears when the volume became painful while he increased the volume using a Crown amp. After everyone had done so, he noted the meter connected to the amp registered 1 watt with peaks of 10 watts. I also got a Bulls#*t button, which unfortunately has been lost during the ensuing years; it would have come in handy lately. I have been researching the speaker market lately, including DIY, and recently heard the new reference line. It had been a long time since I heard Klipsch. My research since has led me to a few questions which I can't seem to find on the Klipsch site, or otherwise. First, where are Klipsch speakers made at this point? What is the main difference between the floor standing and monitor models? Just the size of the bass drivers? Why do the models with three drivers approximately double the cost of the speaker? Is the usual tradeoff of mid range detail vs bass evident as the bass driver gets larger? Is the primary difference between floorstanding models vs monitors just lower octave performance? Do the monitors have more three dimensional imaging than the floor standing as is often the case? Since I will be using a receiver that is sensitive to impedance below 6 ohms for surrounds or 4 for the center, are the Klipsch a safe load? The specs just show "8 ohm compatible". How are the gen IV Reference units different from gen III? Which of the Floor standing units are considered the best value overall? Which bookshelf unit would best serve as a near field studio monitor. Thanks for your help, and patience. No Bulls#%t of course.
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