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oops sorry guys, you are right games i drew a 15x13 and 15x14 room. i just may go with the 14' room. the auto cad programs i am running are autocad 04, i also used architectural desktop 04, and i used inventor 10 to draw the chairs. so the rear speakers need to be closer...alright i can do that.

hey wrench722, yeah i have read that article, that is how i decided on my wire! i love these debates sooner or later that article comes out. there is another one simular to it, but both say the same thing. the wire i use is the same wire they wire up airplanes, so i figured if it works for million dollar aircraft, it should work for me...lol

just my 2 cents, if you take a few extra minutes and maybe $20, go down to the local home depot and buy a bunch of 1/2" sprinkler PVC pipe. buy all the necessary elbows, 45 degree joints, T's, etc you need to have each speaker have its own PVC run. this way if the wire heat up, the PVC will not let it burn any insulation. (you would have to have 24awg wire pushing 300watts before it would melt the PVC). just take each speaker, have the PVC go through the roof or wall and then get it to the receiver. this way you are safe from fire, and if you want to upgrade or if you sell your house and you want your wire back, it's a whole lot easier with the tubing. right now i have the PVC in my living room running my wires. i know for a fact (because i am using it right now) that 3 pairs of twisted wire - WITHOUT A JACKET- will fit in 1/2" PVC pipe. i put them all in one because i am in an apartment and can't go through the ceiling. for the record as long as you use 12awg copper wire you will be fine. the diameter of the 12awg is the same on any brand of wire. the differences are how many strands and the insulator. if you have all high end stuff just get the high end cable, you spend that much already why now a few dollars more. on the flip side, if you have low end or even mid grade go with GOOD 12awg copper wire. you won't be able to hear a difference. again just my 2cents and i am sure someone wants to give me some change back...lol good luck in your decision.

okay here is two rooms one is 15x13 and the other 15x12. i used the dimensions James V gave me and drew true size the curved media chairs. PLEASE everyone don't hold back on opinions or the room size or especially speaker placement. i guess i could also split the difference and have a 15x12.5 room. if there is some kind of "master" dimensions for speakers with angles just let me know i will draw them in. right now i am just shooting in the dark. i guess the idea room would be a huge square and all the speakers would be equal distant, but i can't do that in this home. 13'vs12'.pdf

james...you just an alright dude! thanks for the file. i have drawn it in cad and i would like to get opinions on which size of the room would be ideal.

so the viewing distance from the front of the chair (or is it eye) is 1.728 x 68.6 (across dimention (width)? that would be 9.87'? i think i can do that. with that dimention though i would only be able to have 4 chairs across.

just to refresh my memory why do you need wire rated UL to go behind the walls? what goes into getting that rating? if you were to use the normal wire but have a tubing installed behind the walls so the wire stayed competely in there would that be okay too??

don't waist your time, go to www.outlawaudio.com and get the 990pre pro and depending on the speaker specks get an amp also. there is several places you can find both items used, but you have to do some searching. when the funds come available i am going to get both. in the mean time, if you want to be able to use the speakers just go out and buy a cheap $150-$200 processor and enjoy what you got untill you can get the good stuff. i am still using a $289 processor i bought around 9 years ago!

go with good quality 12awg. you can't go wrong. the awg depends on LENGTH and watts. if you are running wire to the rears and you are using around 50'-70' the 12awg will hold the juice and (it will be easier to push the watts at that distance. i used the 12awg wire we use on the aircraft...free is always a nice thing...and it works great. my runs arn't that long either, the furtherest speaker was 45'. for the most part wire is wire, take james advice, bluejeanscable.com is a really good company. you can also try cablesolutions.com. if you have trouble finding them on the web go to ebay and type in "canare" those two companys will be in there. thats where i got my canare cables, which i have to add my 2 cents and say they are awesome! i hope that helps

here is the over all structure dimentions for the room. it's 15'x12' and it should be big enough to have 3 chairs across, maybe 4. depending on the builder i may have to widen it a bit. all that would mean is more room for the chairs to go across. i am not sure how or if i could do two rows, but i only have a family of 3. if anyone knows good dimentions of some media chairs please respond. whats a good distance to be sitting away from the tv? this tv is going to be the 70" one so i would assume the further the better. i am thinking i should make the room wide enough to have 4 chairs across. any opinions??? media room dimentions.pdf

here is the plans for the perposed et center. the big square empty holes on the far top and left will most likely be drawers to hold stuff. the center speaker goes of course in the top center. the bottom center square if for the outlaw 990 pre/pro. the bottom left is for the outlaw 7100 (james i am sorry i will eventually get one). the two squares on the bottom right is for the blue ray dvd player and playstation 2. i think it is nice and will do it's job. new et center.pdf

here is the updated pdf. right now the chairs are 1' 6" apart (normal chairs) and there is 4' 6" from the front of the first chair to the front of the tv. the room is 15'x12' and there is a 4' door. the electronics is going to be under the tv (i already drew up a perposed et center i will have built at a later date) along with the center speaker. i can put that pdf in here too later on. media room 4chairs 15x12.pdf

james, yes the dimentions go from the window to the WALL of the stairs. i have that entire room if i really want. i don't think the chairs will recline, just some comfortable ones. i really need to get to an et store and see what is available, along with the dimentions. i am thinking of shrinking the room 1 foot to make it 15x12. that way i can two good size rooms. if i do the "recliner" chairs, i just might put 2 or 3 in there. my living room right now with the set up is 15x11, so i have a good look at what the size will be. i will link a new pdf file for what i was thinking of doing.

hum....i think maybe 9'. it is going to be angled in the front, back, and on the window side. the dotted line on the plan (the one with the link) shows where the slop will be.

come on guys...input....input....input....jonny 5 needs input!

i was thinking some more. maybe a 13x15 room will work and it will give me a much bigger media room. look at the drawing and let me know what you guys think. media room 4chairs 13x15.pdf

man, nobody needs help? well it's there if anyone would like it.

okay, i am buying a David Weekely home. it's going to be built from the ground up and i have some options on my "bonus room" http://www.davidweekleyhomes.com/images/planpdfs/1751d2.pdf that should be the link to the floor plan. the bonus room is 15' X 25' (not including the 6' X 10' part by the stairs). i want to add a wall to this room making it into a closed off media room and a small game room (well smaller). the problem is i don't know where to place the wall. i have drawn the room in autocad and dimentioned it out. i made the "chairs" 3'x3' and placed them 1' apart and 2.5' behind. the last row of chairs won't be added for some time so it will be very empty for a while. (also when the time comes i may put the back row of chairs on either a 1' platform, what would be a good raised dimention?). i am guessing 5' from the tv should be a good viewing distance. (the tv will be the sony 70" rear projection http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=KDSR70XBR2&Dept=tvvideo&CategoryName=tv_Full_HD_1080_Rear_Projection as it stands now i will have 4' on either side of the chairs from the wall. there is also 5' from the front chairs to the tv. at what dimention should the rear wall be placed behind the LAST row of chairs? does it matter that much? should i keep it the same distance as the tv to the front row? just remember the rear wall can be placed ANYWHERE, i have up to 25' total in that room. i am just looking for a good room dimention and hopefully i don't scarifice my "game room" all that much. i really only want to put a computer desk or maybe a air hocky, or even possibly a shuffle board table in there. i also want to add in, the "closet" and the square with the circle in it, will be removed. the closet is going away the the square with the circle will be moved to be even with the wall and an identicle "collum" will be placed on the othe side. (it's some kind of vent or something like that). i am also asking where the door should be placed. i was thinking to keep it in the front so it would be easy to bring the tv in (especally once i add the raised floor). also the windows in the front of the room, i am going to hang thick drapes the entire length of the wall and give it a "theater" feel. i just thought and drew this up. i wanted to see if 6 chairs could fit in this room. i drew it up and it seems like it would. what do you think of keeping all the dimentions 2'? okay okay, it's late i can't sleep so i did some more drawing. this one has the perposed speaker placement with the rear chairs 2' from the wall. the red line is a 3' door dimention. the magenta box is the thickness of the tv. that would give me a 7'x15' game room but a 15' x 17' 6" media room that would hold 6 chairs. (i don't even have 4 friends i could invite...maybe i will make some if i build it....lol. again, no sleep, redrew. i will most likely never have 6 chairs, 4 would be ideal, bigger walk ways. i also couldn't put in a step up because of the way i have to enter the room. i placed the door (4ft) in the middle of the wall, just keeping it all even, becasue it seemed like the best choice. could all this be made easer if i just made the room 15'x15'??? thank you for all who help in this decision! media room 4chairs speaker placement 4ft door.pdf

just my two cents...i live in dallas and there is a mall with a sony store. in this store there is a 70" sxrd 1080p tv. you should see this thing. now at the store it's $6000, but i found it on line, new from a company...not individual for $4200. i am going to use that in my future media room instead of front projection. it will only be used for movies. is this tv for regular tv viewing? if so, don't get the 70"....the 40" look the best for regular tv. if you want to check on line heres the link..... http://www.nextag.com/70-tv/search-html good luck!

hello everybody! I have a degree in computer drafting and was wondering if anyone needed help designing a custom ET center? I designed my own and for what i need it works great. What i am offering is just something better than a paper napkin to the poor guy who has to figure out what you are talking about before he builds it. this way i can draft it up for you, send you the file, you ok it, then you can just e mail it to who ever you want to build it. i have all the drafting programs and can do it rather quickly. If you are interested either e mail me or pm me. I will only charge $25 to do...maybe more if it gets way too complicated. i just enjoy drafting and i love HT, its fun for me. also if you want to see something i have already designed i can e mail you the plan for my ET and a pic. it may be easier to just e mail me at noltingdavid@yahoo.com if you need help or have questions Thanks to all who are interested David

Tobby...sent you a pm.

If anyone is thinking of upgrading their Outlaw 7125 amp and want to sell it...drop me a line. If anyone has a simular amp that is just as good let me know also. i am looking for the 7 channel and no more than 125watts.

well i have to try...i think i just might go the 990 also. i called Outlaw and they said the 970 would be just fine since my HT is small and i only use it for movies. I am not a cd music guy, i don't even own even 1 cd!

well i am thinking of going with Outlaw 7125 amp for the 7 channels and the watts are only 125 which is more than enough for me. i will most likely get an Outlaw 990 processor as well. If anyone has either one for sale at a good price I might be willing to take it off their hands.

getech...the earthquake looks nice but is going out of my budget. so far the outlaw line doesn't seem to make my wallet run and hide. thanks for the info.