STUDIO 2000

JamesV Thanks! Thats how I have it set up as RS and LS. I just wanted to make sure. Now that I have my system all hooked up and running, I am extremely happy with the results. A few weeks ago, I was mentioning that I was not too happy with my set up as it didnt sound warm enough to me with the Emotiva-IPS 1 and the LMC-1 combo. However, since I have received my Rs-62's that was the missing link for me. I guess what I was describing as full or warm is basically the sounds stage of having surrounds. Now my system sounds full and rich and I cannot be happier with this IPS-1 and LMC-1 combo. Now note that I have the Rf-7 speakers. If you look at a search in these threads there was a user at one time that had Rf-7's and bough the LMC-1 and had major hissing problems. He was not happy and sent it back to Emotiva. He received another LMC-1 and the hiss was still there. This put my off by this combo. However I have heard users that have not had any issues with this unit. The LMC-1 has a few minor quirks in the sense of how it displays room distance settings. For instance I will set my front as 11 feet from my listening position and it will show on the display 22 feet. It doubles it, but its just a display error. I only have a DVD player hooked up to this via optical. I am now very happy with the LMC-1 and RF-7 set up. My home theatre sounds incredible! This is jaw dropping sound to me. I calibrated my room, put up sound treatments, set all speakers via SPL meter, configured distance and I could not be happier with this unit and I dont experience any hiss with my LMC-1 and RF-7 whatsoever. The price was also right on this unit, and the reason why I bought it is so that I can upgrade to the new MMC-2 unit when it comes out later this year, that will have full HDMI 1.3 capability. However based on the sound I am getting from this unit, I dont really see an upgrade to MMC2 for quite some time, but I know that I can still get the 40% off later any time when I am ready for the new MMC2. If I can give sound characteristics of the system right now it will have to be a full rich sound, yet very natural and detailed. I lstened to War of the Worlds last night and we can feel the sound move right through our seats. It felt like we were there. Before the RS-62 it sounded good, but now with these RS-62's its absolutely amazing. Thanks Dave

Hi, I recently purchased some RS-62's since I have been listening to movies in 3 channel all this time. So now I finally got a 5.1 system:) The reason why I purchased the RS-62 is because of the wide dispersion that fulfills a 180 degree angle since I did have a problem with placement. I tried to put them on the sides, but my room is unforgiving and I dont have any wall on the left side, there is a curtain there. For this reason I placed the RS-62 on the back walls as suggested as a placement if one cannot put it on the sides. This brings me to my question: Question: I have a 7.1 LMC-1 pre/pro, and there is LS and RS ( I assume left surround/right surround) and there is alos LBS and RBS (left back surround and right back surround) What would the 5.1 standard be. Do I hook my RS-62's up as RS and LS for 5.1 even though they are on the back wall? Thanks Dave

Thanks Arky and Dr. Who, The specs for the IPS-1 amp is here: http://www.emotiva.com/ips1.html Here is pictures of the inside of the IPS-1: http://www.emotiva.com/expandedpages/ips1expanded.html This amp does sound good and very natural detailed etc. and I am surprised as I am not hearing any noise his or hum etc. with the pre/pro and amp combo, but I would like that "full sound" especially when I listen to DVD with good movie Soundtracks and full orchestra. With this amp I can still hear all the detail and grittiness of let say for example a cello hitting the bow and the resin etc - the oomph is there and natural sound, but I feel tha my Rf-7's dont open up unless I pump up that volume then it sounds better, but too loud. My initial thinking was to get two crown xti amps , but then I would only have 4 channels and I have 5.1 surround. I wish they made an amp that was decent price like crowns with a 3 channel amp, then I could have gotten a 2 channel and a 3 channel for 5 channels. Oh all the choices - My time for reviewing this amp is ending tomorrow so I am in this frenzie with deciding to keep it or not. I am still open to suggestions. Thanks Dave

Dr. Who, Since writing the above post I have experimented with speaker placement toe-in and I also set up more sound treatment and I am satisfied with the overall result, but dont know if the Rf-7s could sound better. I still have a trial period on the IPS-1 (actually my last day to test is tomorrow), so, by al means share what you have learned about the IPS-1 and the RF-7 why it doesnt work well. Please educate me. I really would appreciate that input. Its not too late to send it back. This is a 7 channel amp and all I really need for now is a 5 channel amp. Also, I spent $899 for the amp and $379 for the LMC-1 pre pro. Is there another amp or pre/pro combo that you could recommend? I don mind buying used. Thanks Dave

Bill - Yes, I think this is going to be the best placement, and then take the two black thin absorbers off the back wall and place them both next to each other to cover the first reflection point on wall (red arrow on wall in picture) that Professor Thump is describing. The absorber is approx 2" thick of owens corning. I think this is what Professor Thump was referring to. Thanks Dave

Professor Thump I am trying to envision what youre saying so please bare with me. I tried to put into a visual format what youre saying. Per your explanation and the red lines I drew in the pic below, am I understanding your explanation correctly? This is where I think I will place the Rs-62's. Is there a different place you think will be better for my room situation, since the curtain on the left does not have a wall, its the opening to the room. Here is the pic. Thanks Dave

Thanks BillH I managed to open the figure 3. Based on that it looks like the best position for placement on back wall is not close to the side corners, but more behind the 1st and 3rd seating position in that picture. It creates pretty much a triangle/ with listening position if you were to draw lines and is pretty much in line with the main speakers. After all these Rs-62s have a nice wide dispersion so that makes sense not to have it sit too close to a corner on the back wall but having the left and right surrounds on the back wall more towards the center and further fromt he corners of the wall, as it it will allow it to disburse a 90" area which will give me a full 180 degrees, I will also make sure to use my ears for optimal placement:) Thanks Much! Dave

Hi All - Happy new year to you. Thank you for the good information. I have decided to go with the RS-62's. Oh Professor Thump also thanks for the thread in giving me that info on my father in law's electro-voice speakers. Much appreciated! When I look at optimal placement these RS-62 will be mounted flat on the wall, and the very bottom of the RS 62 will be 5 feet from the floor. For those of you who are wondering about mounting it to existing drywall , if you have studs in the wall they are approx 16" from center to center. Older homes have a distance of approx 24" to 24" from center of stud to center of stud. Another way to tell where studs are is if you use a stud finder, but be careful as they are not always accurate. You can also check if there is a power outlet, and unscrew the power outlet plate and you will see the power outlet fastened to the side of the stud and you can measure from there as a starting point. If you hang it on drywall, the Molly bolts or Toggle bolts will do the job. Just make sure not to over fasten or you will rip your drywall apart. Molly bolts can usually hang up to 40 or 50 pounds and toglle bolts can hang up to 100 pounds via drywall. Here is a link to these wall anchors for drywall applications if studs are not in optimal placement: http://www.ronhazelton.com/howto/Hanging_Wall_Items_2.htm Lets talk a little about placement of RS-62 in my room: If you look at the above photo in the first post, if I had to place some Surround RS-7 or RS-62's on the wall. What would be the optimal placement as far as how far the speakers would be from one another.(width) the room is 13 feet wide. Do I place the surrounds closer to the side of the wall? Or.. Do I place them kinda where those black sound absorbers are on the back wall? Just want to make sure I place them correctly. Where would you place them in this room layout? Thanks Dave

By looking at the RS-62 in the manual, isnt the RS-62 due to its Wide Dispersion intened to mount flat against a back wall, as it projects at 90 degree angle thus two = 180 degrees? I think that it would be best just to place them flat on wall and not direct it via pointing down exactly directional to the listening position, as thats what the RB series does a directional speaker. Am I correct with this assumption? I appreciate your thoughts, Dave

Hi I posted in the Home Theatre forum, but think it should have been in this thread. I posted a picture of my room and need help with placing of my surrounds. Is there a formula or general measuring area that is suggested for surrounds? Here is the link to the thread: http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/t/98974.aspx I would like to know where to place the surrounds since I am limited with the side walls, and also if back wall how far apart to place the surrounds as far as their width. Where would you place them? These would be RS-62 or RS-7 Wide Dispersion surrounds. I appreciate your help. Dave

Quick Question for you all. If you look at the above photo in the first post, if I had to place some Surround RS-7 or RS-62's on the back wall - what would be the optimal placement as far as how far the speakers would be from one another.(width) the room is 13 feet wide. Dave

BillH Thanks youve been a great help. I will call Klipsch on Monday with my situation and see what they recommend and then report back. All the best and Happy Holidays to you all. Dave

Thanks JamesV I see why its important to go with RS-7 or RS-62 as it will work the best for my situation. All the best, Dave

Bill H. Thanks I will keep an eye on that bid. $350 seems high to me for starting. Thanks Dave

Thanks for the input. I just left an email with them. If I cannot get hold of an RS-7, what are other alternatives? I looked on the spec sheets and it looks like the RS-62 comes close, however I do want a seamless transition from surrounds to front. I do have an RC-64 center and they match very well with RF_7 but dont know if RS-62 will be a good match. Welcome your input. Thanks Dave

JamesV Thanks for the information. The RC-64 matches very well with the RF-7. I was looking for an RC_7 at one time and could not find any. I called Klipsch Tech SUpport and they told me that the RC_64 would be the best match and it is. Looks like the back wall is the only solution as you describe. So I think room placement is taken care of. Now I cannot seem to find a pair of RS-7's. I only see the RS-62's, but I would rather do RS-7 if its going to be a better match. Is the RS-7 also a wide dispersion type surround? I think thats what I would need for my placement situation isnt it? I am still trying to undestand the differences and want the best match. Thanks Dave

Hi, Thanks to everyone for getting me thus far. I just recently hooked up some RF-7 speakers and I am very happy with the results. I love to hear good old gritty brass coming out of these RF-7's. I am now ready to add surrounds to my HT system and need your help for achieving a theatre soundstage with surrounds. I currently have: 2X RF-7, RC-64, SVS PB 12 Plus. As you can see I am listening in 3.1 and wish to take advantage of 5.1 My room has a few limitations as you can see in the pic and my objective is to 1) Find the right surround speaker and 2) Get your input on Placement. Room Layout: Room Size = 17X13 feet Back wall to Listening position = 5 feet RF-7 fronts to listening position = 11 feet Listening position height from floor = 3 feet 7 inches Question1: What klipsch model surrounds would work for me in this room and be a good timbre match? What type of speaker do I need in this room layout to get the best results? Question 2: Since I am limited with placement as you can see with a curtain on the left side of room, I cannot place a surround there . That curtain is the main entrance. What would be the best placement for surrounds in this layout? I appreciate your input on this. Thanks Dave

I would like to know is it the amp or the pre/pro that really determines the sound characteristics as "natural" vs "warm" etc. I just recently purchased an Emotiva IPS-1 Amplifier for my Rf-7. I also purchased the Emotiva LMC-1 which is a pre/pro. It does sound incredible, but I feel I am missing that fulness or warmth. Would it be more likely the amp or the pre-pro that determines this? For instance I have heard on this forum that Harman Kardon receiver is considered warm and mate well with Rf-7. But what is it that creates that warmth the amp or the pre/pro portion? I heard going seperates was the way to go and did, but I am not blown away by the result. I am planning on getting the new MMC2 pre/pro from Emotiva later this year, thats why I purchased the LMC-1 pre/pro as you will get the 40% discount. I have no hiss or any other noise/buzz issues with this combo and Rf-7. I appreciate your input. Dave

Hi , My father in law has two of these Electro-Voice Patritions in his living room. His brother bough both in a movie theatre in the 70's. This is the closest pic as to what they look like, I have no idea what the specs are but I have listened to them and they just about blew me away. They sound incredible. He has this sub that cannot keep up with it. We were listeneing to Apollo 13 and the bass from this thing is outstanding. The house shook to the point where I felt a tremble throughout my body and I felt uncomfartable at one point. He has been listenening to stereo music all this time, but is now interested in setting up HT system. Can you recommend a center and surrounds that will suffice? He is also looking at used center speakers, but I have no idea which center speaker could work as far as timber/tonality. I am sure these are klipsch type speakers because they have those horns in them. I appreciate your comments, Dave

Haha, I love it! Dave

Everyone, Thanks much for all your help. The sub arrived today. Ok, it barely fit, but it did!!!! I managed to get the SVS PB 12+ Subwoofer (Hx25"XWidth 18"X Height25") between the left Rf-7 and the center speaker, but its very tight and my wife thinks the room looks off now, because everything was center, now there is a sub on the left and a bare spot on the right. But sound is important to me. There is a back corner that this sub would look awesome in, but I dont know if I will be sacrificing sound as the corner is the back left about 5 feet from the listening position. I think I wll experiment, but I do have a feeling leaving it in the front, will yield better results. Thanks, Dave

Thanks Islander, Thats a good suggestion. The only issue is that the Plasma is wall mounted, thus its fixed at this point. I think I will just try and see what my alternatives are when that sub arrives. I am getting excited! Dave

Thanks everyone, Very good suggestions. I think I might have exaggeratedt he traingular space between the front as far as size. The only thing I can do is wait till it arrives and see if I can tuck it in. Dr. Who ~~ Funny you asked about the bass traps. I read somewhere on this forum (Believe it was your posts) on how important it is to treat a room so I started with that. I looked into what I believe are problem areas and where the most first reflections would occur. I built these bass traps from Rigid Fiberglass board and bought 12 pieces for around $89. I think they were 4X8 and cut them in half for the corners and I stacked it to a 2" thickness for the bass trap. I also treated the rest of the room with the same materials along the reflection points in the room with a 1" and 2" thickness combination. I alternated between a burgandy and black color pattern (strecthed duck/burlap) material. I also had a window where the curtains reside on the left side of the diagram. This was a problem area I ended up making a wooden frame (first attempt and was a little skew) and then I stuffed the wooden frame with real thick insulation. I then flattened the insulation and also stretched it with burlap and after that the frame fit tight and the window was totally covered - I then also covered it with a curtain, now the room is very dark, so it benefited me acoustically, treated the light and looks nice aesthetically. Before I treated the room, it had much echo. The problem area for me was no door in this room, it has an arch (back right of diagram), and the best I could do in this area was to put some nice thick curtains on it and tried to make the length of the curtain touch the floor as close as I could. When I talk in the room or clap, it is a very nice quiet room without all that echo, but it feels natural. I think this room is well treated. The first thing that my wife pointed out and I noticed was when I played a movie on the Plasma, the Plasma speakers itself, sounded very good. It had dimension to it. So I cannot wait till I get all this set up. I have had these Rf-7's since February/March this year and saved up - bought piece by piece amp/processor/subwoofer. They will be arriving soon. I will only have 3 channel for now and subwoofer. Questions: I am now interested in building a diffuser and place it in the middle of the back wall. I want a slight larger sound to the room and wonder if that will do the trick. Do you think the sub could also suffice in that very front left side of the wall just in front edge of the rf-7 with the sub's back facing that left wall and front of sub faced towards the right wall?. There is a power outlet there on left wall (on diagram). Thx Dave

HAHA, You got a great deal and great story dvcdude! Thanks Dave

Dr. Who. BobbyT, southern, lakedmb - Thanks all for the information that you have provided. I purchased the SVS pb12+ (HT) and a dayton 15" (music) for living room, so this way I can see which one fits my area the best:) I also started another thread in the Powered Subwoofer section on correct subwoofer placement. I invite you to look at my diagram and help me figure out a solution as to where to place this SVS sub which is approx 18" wide. Thanks Dave