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quote: Originally posted by djk: "I thought I got a great deal, but then I heard later that DJK got his first set for $90!" Hmmmm, I said Klipschorn as in singular.It was a '53 vintage piece and stereo wasn't around.It also had a blown midrange driver.And at the time $90 was more than two weeks take-home pay.It was still a steal. djk: $90 for one k-horn is still a great deal. I think that still beats what I paid...

HornEd, Don't think I can send any of my K-horns to you for therapy sessions. You're one of the folks I think about to make myself feel somewhat "sane" (when it comes to quantity of Klipsch owned at least). Thanks for the offer, but I currently don't have any use for a "Truckload Klipsch Sale" banner. Unless of course the men in white coats make me do it! quote: Originally posted by HornEd: ... but, I could admit some of your big old ugly Klipsch pairs to my "sonic therapy clinic" for K-horns that have suffered good vibration deprivation and subjected to dust boogies in the dark. JMON, you be a mon after me own heart... er, storage room! HornEd PS: I hope BobG reads this and realizes you are really the better candidate for his vintage "Truckload Klipsch Sale" banner... Hmmm, maybe my favorite ex-wife put him up to it...

I've noticed that there are several members of this board that live in the Dallas / Fort Worth area. I've also seen that some of you have been on the lookout for K-horns. Of course buying them locally will save a ton in shipping. For those that are looking, I found this ad in the paper today. Good luck! Klipsch corner horn speakers (2), walnut $1750. 972-271-7568.

I'd say sit them on top of a horse. Tie a rope to something high, such as a tree. Then tie the other end of the rope around the 901's and give the horse a good slap in the butt!

HornEd, As long as you can fit all the components in, I don't think it would be a problem. Speakers from most companies (including Klipsch) moved away from wide and shallow boxes to narrow and deep boxes (started calling them "Tower Speakers") for a couple of reasons. The first is that it is easier to fit a narrow/deep speaker into your room (not to mention WAF, etc.). I think this is the main reason we don't have Cornwalls available today. The second reason was for sonic reasons, if you have a dome tweeter sitting on the face of the speaker, you can minimize the sound diffractions from the face of the speaker by reducing the face of the speaker. Of course with horns, that isn't a problem. So, my guess is that you can make this change and not hear any differences.

JTS8, I can tell you but then I'd have to.... well, ok ok. I found them advertised in the local paper. I was just lucky enough to be the first person to show up at the guys door with $500 in cash! HornEd, I'll see what me and the rabbit can do. If it works out, and Khorns abound like rabbits, you'll get your share of $500 Khorns. Even at $500, me and the rabbit could get rich! I thought I got a great deal, but then I heard later that DJK got his first set for $90! Someone else posted recently that they found some at an estate auction at a price that was too riduculous to post. There are deals out there, you just have to look for them.

Boomer, I agree with you. It is an elite club. What I meant was that I was in it before it was called "Heritage". I joined back when it was just the "Klipsch" club. I got my first Heritage speakers (Cornwall I's) about ten years ago or so. My recent addition was puchased not because I was looking for some (I already had one pair in storage), but because the price was too unbelievable for me to pass up. I own so many Klipsch speakers (most of them being the very large and heavy variety) that sometimes I wonder if i'm crazy! Howver, coming to this BB and learing that there are many others that have more than I do makes me realize that I'm either not crazy, or at the very least I'm not the only crazy one out there!

Jelliott, What BobG says is right. With high efficiency speakers, more is not necessarily better. But, to clarify what better is, if you are concerned with playing music loud (you said you weren't), then more power is better to reduce amp the chance of amp clipping and damaging your speakers. However, if better sound is what you're after, then more is not necessarily better. Instead of more watts, you want "better" watts in the power range that you typically drive your speakers through. That is, if you typically listen to your speakers with the amp driving them no more than ten watts (which is still pretty loud with Heresy's), then you want to focus on finding an amp that will put out good sound between 0-10 watts.

Thanks Boomer! I have actually been in the Heritage club since before there was a "Hertiage" club. I have merely added to my collection!

Have you tried plugging it in directly into the wall socket (not using the surge protector -- maybe it did it's job and is now bad)? Have you checked any of the fuses?

Remember that the speaker wire adds to the "resistance/impedance" of your speaker. The longer the wire, the higher the resistance. I personally wouldn't have all 5 lengths the same, but I always make all matching L&R (i.e., L & R front or L & R surround) wires the exact same length. I prefer to match the resistance/impedance load on the amp.

I don't have experience with any of the amps you mention, but I have an Audio Research VT-50. It uses 6550C output tubes and puts out 45 wpc. It sounds wonderful. The bass is not shy and it is very quiet. You would have to look on the used market to get one of these to fit within your price range though.

This weekend doesn't look good for me. It looks like I am going to have some plans. Maybe another time though.

Very Nice!

DWK, The other Hillcrest location is on Parker, just West of the Tollway (in West Plano). It is quite a bit larger than their other place. It's been around only about a year or so.

Brandon, I am not in the audio field, so take my suggestions with a grain of salt. If you are interested in getting into amplifier design, you will need a EE degree. Most everything in audio is more EE related than ME. However, you are correct in that ME knowledge is also important since the end-product, music, is mechanical energy. I would suggest staying with EE, but also taking some additional ME classes as electives. Heat transfer and vibrations would be two very good ME electives for you to take. Fluid mechanics, as you suggested, could also provide you with useful knowledge. In getting your EE degree, you will likely have to take quite a bit of physics classes as well as other engineering discipline classes that should give you a good foundation for going into the audio industry. I'm sure there are others here that could give you good advice as well. Good luck!

12x12 may be a bit too small for La Scalas. Forte's would probably work very well.

Root Mean Square is the correct answer.

Storm, Omission from Stereophile's list of recommended components doesn't mean squat. Please don't let other people tell you what sounds better. Don't base your purchases or opinions on what a bunch of Journalists write (or anyone else for that matter). Go out there and let your ears decide. I think Martin Logan makes some very nice sounding speakers. They can be very impressive. They do some things very well. But they don't do everything well. No speaker does. The same applies to Klipsch products -- they do some things very well, but they don't do everything well. There is a trade-off with every one out there. A speaker choice is very much a personal preference. Some people like a certain kind while others like something different. What this means is that some people find a certain speaker's trade-off less important than another's trade-off. You pick the qualities you like best, and the deficiencies you can tolerate. Martin Logans are very detailed, smooth, and airy. Klipsch speakers (the BIG Heritage models) are very dynamic, full, and clean. These differences in strength's and weaknesses and differences in people's tastes accounts for why different speakers are sold on the market. Another reason for buying a certain type is that some people just have never heard any of the really good stuff (this is the reason that Bose makes the most money). You will find several people on this board that have owned some of the "more renowned" (i.e. Stereophile recommended, etc.) and expensive speakers, and have come to settle on Klipsch as the speaker that provides the most musical experience to them. On a personal note, several months back I received an offer from someone to trade a set of ML speakers for my Cornwalls. The ML's had a higher "used" value, but he was willing to trade me even for my Cornwalls. After owning ML's, this particular person decided they weren't for him and wanted some big Klipsch horn speakers instead (we didn't make the deal btw). I wouldn't mind owning ML myself, but they would be more of a second system for me -- more of a change-of-pace from my Klipsch system -- something that I would use when I wanted something a little bit more mellow. It really all comes down to taste. No two people hear the same. In fact, your left ear hears differently than your right ear! My personal OPINION is that Martin Logan is not superior to Klipsch. I would own ML if I felt that way! I prefer my system to sound as close to live music as possible (that is afterall the real goal of high-fidelity), and to me dynamics are the most critical component of that formula. Horn speakers (Klipsch or other brands) cannot be beaten when it comes to dynamics. Horns just have a physical advantage that cannot be matched by other designs. I think that horn speakers are going to make a comeback with the audio world, and that has probably already started. If you have never heard a set of Khorns properly setup and with good equipment, then you are in for a wonderful experience if you ever get that opportunity. If you have, and still don't like them, then you are just someone that has different taste. And that's fine. But please don't come here and tell us that Klipsch speakers are not all that great. There are 6000 registered members (and counting) on this forum that will tell you otherwise. That's a lot more people than all of those magazines put together have. Happy listening to you on whatever system you may have. Don't forget, it's the music that matters! P.S. You might want to give Listener Magazine a try. They are more of a no-nonsense magazine (i.e., they don't equate price to sound quality) and do consider Klipsch to be a quality product.

Cerwin-Vega speakers do one thing very well -- they play LOUD! My first set of "expensive" speakers were Cerwin-Vega. They are very good speakers, and are probably among the best home speakers CV makes (they are actually pro-speakers made for home-use). I know CV well as I have had cousins that have owned many different CV speakers. CV makes some very tough and durable speakers. I still have my set. I probably keep them because of their sheer-output ability, 105dB sensitivity with 405 watt power handling -- yeah, they can get really loud! I really don't use them anymore, but I also don't really want to get rid of them. However, in terms of quality sound (high-fidelity), CV doesn't stand up to Klipsch. My CV's were somewhat expensive, yet I prefer the overall sound of my Heresy's to my much larger CV speakers. Klipsch just sounds better.

Let's see... You don't care about bass (I'll assume you mean low bass extension), you don't care how it looks, you are willing to buy used and spend in the neighborhood of around $1000. The one speaker that will meet all your requirements and will sound great is the La Scala! Unless you can find a great deal on K-horns, that would be my recommendation.

Yes, theoretically, a small dent will affect how the cone interacts with the air, and thus produces sound. How much? Way too small to even hear a difference, and probably also too small to even be able to measure it. Don't worry about it.

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MarkF, You say you are driving your Khorns with a Welborn Labs 2A3 amp, but you also have a Cary 2A3 amp that is not being used. Does that mean you like the Welborne better than the Cary?

In regards to "breaking-in" new speakers, I'll share what I have heard/read about this topic (I don't even remember where I heard this from, it may very well have been from this boad). I can't make any claims about this either way as I have never made any comparisons between new speakers and "broken-in" speakers. What gets "broken-in" are the diaphrams in the drivers -- more specifically, the parts of the diagrams that are flexed when the drivers move (for example, the surrounds on the woofer). When a woofer moves, the cone doesn't flex (not supposed to anyway, but does a small amount). It's the surround that flexes to allow the cone to move. Now these diaphrams are supposedly stiffer when new and after they are "broken-in", they loosen up a bit and are not quite as stiff. It's supposed to be like breaking in a new pair of shoes. Once they are "broken-in", again, they are not as stiff, so they don't provide as much resistance to flexing and allow the diaphram to move as it's supposed to. This seemed to make sense to me in theory, but again, I can't make any claims either way. I also heard that it takes approximately 100 hours to "break-in" new speakers. It also isn't supposed to matter how loud the speakers are playing to break them in -- the diaphrams just need to be in movement. This information came from my same source (whatever it was). I have also read in many speaker reviews (Stereophile among others), that the reviewers generally "break-in" a new set of speakers that they have received for review before actually evaluating them. Accordingly, every speaker is supposed to need a "break-in", not just Klipsch. Anyway, that is what I have heard. Don't know if there really is any sonic improvement to it all though.