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I have a pair of Forte II and love them - i would agree with trying a Emotiva Amp - i have the Xpa 5 and Umc 200 - sound very good to me - at the moment i am using them with the Emo preamp but a QSC GX 5 amp - much more power than i ever need for them - and they sound great there also - i also heard them off a Kenwood KA 801 i have - very nice - i ended up leaving mines on the Emo. because i need volume control Next is a Tube amp for them - once i make room - i need to sell the kenwood first when i am ready for a tube amp - the kenwood is now working a pair of KG 2 till i decide to change things up - those forte II can really scream

i decided i am not going to dump alot of money in this - will makes things easy for me - call the guy tomorrow where my friend has his repaired and sound great - they will pick it up - check - it give me a price for the repairs etc, bring it to spec and i will agree - bring it back for $50 plus repairs - $50 is the pick up check and return - worth it - would cost me $50 for a cab to get there and back - then to pick it up again and back i was having a friend do it for me - now he wont have to lug i back and forth -- its 40 pounds - big box - looks are fine - a slider top bent a bit - two maybe - not a big deal - sliders works just the tip - A B switch needs to be checked and fixed - power plug - needs a stopper there and checked i guess - have him check it and bring it up to specs if that works out - it should sound very good - that will go on the forte II and KG 2 - since i got them now - they sit on top of the Forte - looks great - same finish - this was one reason the A B switch needs to be working - the idea was to use both pairs with one unit - less space in my rack - this way - i can make it work - i will remove my pro amp - and marantz cd player - giving that to my in law and amp in the closet - thats the plan - i see what they say and when i get it back - how it works out - all i know i heard my friends 8100 - and it sounded great on the Forte thats how this started - no EQ no Exciter in the mix - just the Kenwood and Forte - it has the bass treble knobs etc, - but nothing else really - tone defect slider- i think that works like a source direct - this was giving me a headache with the restore - have to pack it - ship it - spend $600 - on top of what i paid - and then ship it back - wait a month easy and barely a warranty - two places i have asked about to do the restore etc, - they both offered to buy it from me - if i didnt want it one wanted to give me a restored 8100 for mines plus 250 and shipping i had to pay - didnt sound like a deal to me -

yeah i know - i feel the same way - but i dont think they will replace every single cap in the whole unit - for sure the larger caps - maybe power supply if needed - and other things were told to me - this is the guy i spoke with today - seems nice - and honest - another one i been in talks with - email only - looks nice also - but he offered me 30 days warranty - this guy at least said one year - and like you - i cant find much on this model either - but was told that its one of the rare models built very well - its one of those model you want to keep - i was told - also if i didnt want it - both of them each offered to purchase it from me the first guy at cdkands.com - he wanted to trade me - he would give me a 8100 fully restored - in exchange for mines and $250 - plus shipping - i rather keep mines - because i like the meters to be honest - i wanted one with meters and was told to look for this model - i would be safisfied with it - so now i am back to square one - i have this unit - it works - but needs some repair on the A B switch and rear power cord chassis - an adjustment for sure on items etc, - but it does work - i am back to considering the local shop here - they would pick it up for $50 check it and i decide after if i want to contniue or not - they would return it also - either way - my friend did both his units there and hes happy with them - but its not a full restore - its a repair - they check repair - i guess bring it up to specs. if caps are bad or out of spec - they would replace i guess - the price will depend on whats needed - maybe i should do that first - then use it and see how i like it - if i like enough for a restore down the line ? i really like those luxman models but very expensive - thanks for the link - it says free - but its not - haha - just 5 dollars if i want it - worth it i guess if i keep this thing - oh its not in english - the manual download - i knew there was something for me not getting it besides 5 dollars -

i think i am changing my mind about getting it done there - not sure yet - 30 days warranty for the restore - i feel thats a little short giving the money it will cost in the end - plus shipping - now i am back to thinking of just going local - get it checked for $50 and then just repair or adjust fix just whats needed more or less - i did find another guy i called - at least he will give a year warranty - and i got to talk to him on the phone etc, - didnt think this would be so difficult to get going now - hard to choose whos good or whats what with this stuff now - but this other guy can have a friend pick it up for me and take to him - save the shipping - thats a plus -

Hi Moray - thanks - i found this site for a restore - cdkands.com - i have to talk to the guy and see how we can proceed - i figure why waste money on a repair from a repair shop - it would be about double to restore but in the end - may be worth it - would be new inside and out - dent would get fixed - any other little comsmetic things that can be will be - and i dont have much in cosmetic really besides a decent dent in the rear near power cord - i dont like to see it - even though you cant when in the rack - i know its there - i cant find the user manual - would you happen to have that - ? at least cant find it for free download - thanks -

Hi - i purchased this amp - KA 801 - i played it for a hour - didnt get hot - works - needs some work - rear back dented up a bit near power cord - front A B switch needs to be fixed - the meters work fine - one is a bit higher in operation - not by much but enough for me - a switch or two is bent on the sliders - just the tip - not the whole switch inside etc, - now i plan on pairing this with the Forte II and speaker B on the KG 2 i got - i have two options - i want to get it checked - fixed - adjusted - etc, i can bring it to a place who fixed a few of my friends Kenwoods - hes happy with them - but they dont fix cosmetic things - so the dent may still be there - and will just check and fix replace items that may need it - not a full restore - or - find a place and get it fully restored - inside and out - i am leaning now on the full restore - get it done and be happy with it - would anyone know of a good place to restore these - who do a good - great job ? fair price - etc, close to NYC area ? would be good - if close to me or else i have to ship i have been in talks with a guy who does this - i seen his site and like his work - really nice at the end - not sure if hes booked for months or able to accept it for restore - and then price is not cheap - not sure what a good price is - this is new to me now - i was thinking tube amp - and now i got side tracked and got the kenwood now - i heard his forte II on a 8100 he had and sounded excellent - at about 9 oclock postion on the volume and was pretty loud - if put on the 10 or 11 oclock - way more than enough and may be too loud does anyone have any experience with this vintage restore - kenwood 801 trio etc, are they really good when restored ? now i cant decide and have it packed in the box the way i got it - thanks

whow - so many responses LOL - but thanks anyway - i did decide to just keep my 82's and work on adjusting them with the exciter - it worked very good last night so - i guess the Emo EQ didnt do a good job last time i ran it

Hi - i currently have the RF 82 - original models - in mint condition - but in my space - i been having a hard time always adjusting them - to get the sound i like - - the problem i believe is that i just dont have the room to position them correctly to give them room - since the ports are in the rear - now i am considering selling them - i happen to find a nice pair of KG 4.2 models - i never heard them - what can i expect in terms of sound compared to the RF 82 that i have now - i feel the KG 4.2 may work better because of the front passive - i dont have to worry about keeping them close to the wall - i am not sure if i should purchase the KG.4.2 or shoot for the larger ones - 5.2 or 5.5 model - but the model that i can get right now is the KG 4.2 - i notice they are not tall - they come with stands which looks to be a good 5 inches high or 6 - not sure its more like a platform stand - has anyone heard these 4.2 - and 82's - maybe same time ? lately i been on a spree - - i purchased a excellent pair of KG.2 - didnt need or even get them yet - still in shipping stage - i plan to give those as a gift after i listen to them for a while - i dont have room to keep everything - i would have to get rid of the 82's if i do get the 4.2 and like them enough to keep - what do you guys think - ? any suggestions - ? what can i get for the pair of 82's in case i do want to sell them ? i also have an extra driver and grill for the 82's in the box - this is why i hate the winter - all i do is search for speakers Klipsch only thanks - Claudio

a little off topic for a moment - did anyone get a chance to hear the new models yet ? is there a section here for that - if there is - can you link it to me so i can go to that section - i mean the new RP models which replace the RF 82 -62 etc, - since i am sure i wont be able to hear them anywhere around here -

your right - i guess on paper - if you follow the rule - - i compare this to an espresso shot - you have no idea how many factors are involved to getting a great espresso shot - so i follow the base rules of the perfect shot - and in the end - what matters most - is your taste when you drink it - and you be surprised many times - following the rule to the perfect shot - dosnt always end up with the taste i like - so i guess - there are base rules and also how you like it - even if the rules are not right on the nose - its personal taste - i guess its the same with the speakers for me - i dont mind it - - you try it - if you like it fine - if not you can go back - or add the bandpass etc, - i decided to try it with out first - and i got used to it fairly quickly - i dont see a need for the bandpass - each his own - i also see the specs on the site for the forte II - and it shows the xover point at 7000 - which is very very close to what the Mid Ti crosses at ? anyway really dosnt matter much - yes on paper and testings shows it - so thats a fact i guess - i just dont hear any Neg. effects - - some prefer it - some prefer other speakeres that sound bad to me - but great to that person - in the end - just enjoy it - i am not pushing them or anyone to use them or try it - i wanted to hear what it was all about - and was very worried finding out after i purchased them already - but decided to install them anyway and see - hear for myself - i am sure many here are thinking that i just dont know what it should sound like - or may feel it sounds so bad or terriable - i assure you - it sounds very good to me - also it could very well be that when i ran the EMO EQ setup - it does all the work to set up the EQ curve - so that may have - could have made adjustements to limit what overlapping there may be ? does sound different with the EQ - but sounds good with out also - just different - tigher sound stage - deeper bottom end - - well lets enjoy the weather finally -

if anyone is worried about the Mid Ti - just stick with the stock mids - new from bobs - and it be just as fine - i am sure you will love it either way - i think i am not so much on the warm side of things i guess - i like a little more on the top end and this works for me - bass is more than enough so not looking to make it warm sounding - also my area is warm with carpet - recliners fabric and wall treatment - that can make some difference - i learned when i first move the rug from the floor years ago and notice a big difference in sound - thats when i stared to research the wall treatment etc, and went with it - i feel it helped me - and added some color and decorated the walls at the same time

i am loving my Ti mids on my forte ll -- i have not done no xover mods and sounds great to me - everyone is different - i really dont hear anything over lapped - mid to tweeter etc, - cant say it dosnt - either the muisc i been listening too just dosnt expose it - or i just doing hear it - either way - i dont even think about it - i just look forward to listening to them all the time - everyone who heard them and hears them - all say the same thing - its LOUD and CLEAR - actually my friend on the 13 floor last week told me how clean it sounded -- i am on the 15floor and they heard it clean and loud - in there kitchen - two floors down dosnt sound that far - but hey - i have heard someone from the 7th floor tell me once also - i was playing it LOUD then - every so often i really let loose on a song or two - but for the most part - its pretty loud all the time - i am just used to it - i say on my EMO pre pro - Volume goes from 0 to 80 i am in the 50 area mostly and 40 for normal listening - once i get near the 60 on the volume - then it really opens up - i cant keep it there for long - maybe one song or two - this is with the XP5 amp - its rated at 200 x 5 - but with two channel is 275 - not a bad amp - i am still used to my GX5 - 500 Watt amp so this sounds a little weaker till i get up there in that 60 range on the volume - either Mid would be fine - i just wanted to try the Ti and i am happy with it with no mods to Bobs xover - Emo Eq does help and opens the sound stage - compared to direct mode - either way sounds great - but Emo Eq gives it a little top edge and opens it up a bit wider - i enjoy both and go back and forth depending on the music

hi - i am not sure if this is the correct section to ask about this - is it possible to connect iphone or ipad to the marantz 7002 AVR - so i can play the music off the ipad - play Pandora from my ipad - i want to have the music come out of the speakers connected to the marantz 7002 ? i am lost when it comes to this stuff this way - i gave my marantz and KG 3.2 away to a friend - but she listens to music from her Ipad - Pandora on the ipad - iphone etc, - but i havnt a clue how i would get it to work - the marantz does not have a usb port etc, - is there some add on item i can get to connect to the marantz and then use the ipad to either connect it with a cable to the marantz to play it - or if it can be done wireless somehow ? i am so confused - since i dont use a i phone or ipad etc, - so have no clue - and the marantz doesnt have wireless in it or any USB for music etc, - thanks -

thanks James - but i am 100% certain - they were that way before i touched it - and yes that one horn was very very hard to remove - i believe i said that at the beginning when i first explained this - i was not able to remove it as easy as the other one - it took time and forcing it off - i had others helping also and trying to remove it - and once i finally got it off - i looked at it to see why it was so hard and thats when i noticed on the magnet - they were slated just a little bit - one was one way and another also just enough so they were not straight - which was the reason i was not able to put the horn back on - the tweeter itself was not going on as easy either - but that was ok - but the horn was not givin who ever managed to get it on before me - had to really force it on somehow - who knows what the previous owners have done etc, - all i know is they were bent some and I was not going to get that back on with out breaking the whole thing if i tried any harder - so i decided if i wanted to get this done - i had to do something else - and the dremel was my answer to this problem i faced - maybe someone else might have managed to get it back with out doing what i did - but that someone was not here to help me - so i am on my own really - either i figure it out or it wont get done - at least not at that moment - i wish i did take a picture of it - i missed a few chances of taking more pictures - the speakers were opened and touched before me - for what reason - i dont know - but in the end - i am very happy i got it all back and its all good - if i removed the horn in question - and took a picture fully together - you wont see anything wrong with it - its when you take it apart - you will see it - but your right - its important to remember how you remove things - - i am glad its all good now and i can just enjoy them - i have been listening to them only since i started - and dont feel the need to go back to my 82's any time soon only thing i am still doing is i want to give it a few more coats of beeswax - no rush to do it but thats my plan - i am very pleased with the sound - thanks for all your help suggestions - always welcome -

yeah - it does - i had it on slow - and had the perfect fitting - fit right in and just a few seconds - just to widen the hole enough to fit on the magnet - worked great - good thing i even had it - i got it a while back for another project and was used maybe 3 times - comes in handy i would have been stuck that day if i didnt have it - besides using it on the one horn - i needed it to for the New Mid Ti i purchases from Klipsch direct - the Pos Terminal was too wide for the x over wire to clip over it - another set back - and back to the dremel - worked - i had a few bumps in the road - when i did this to my smaller KG 3.2 - had none of these issues and was simple easy -

under normal condtions - no you never have to use it for no reason - in my case - i had no choice - it would not go back on because the screws- bolts sticking up on the magnet which the horn sits back on and screws down were not straight - they were bent slated on two out of three of them - and there was no way i was going to get it back on - if i got two screws aligned - the other last one was not - i tried for a while before realizing its not going to happen and just widened the holes on the horn so they went back on the bolts that were slated just enough to make it difficult to put back - once i widened the holes - it went back on perfect fit - maybe i made it sound as if - the dremal was needed - NO its not needed if all is well and nothing is wrong - - just so happens one was fine and the other horn magnet was not - who knows why it was bent slated - or what happened to it in the past - never know - just my luck i happened to get one that needed work -

whow - i missed that for some reason - i was looking over that site before - ok so you just send them your driver and they redo it to factory specs etc, and send it back - $50 isnt bad - then i have to add my shipping to them and back maybe - but still worth it if you ask me - mines look in great shape - and sound as good also - - who knows how good it can sound unless i just replace them all and thats that - but i see no reason of that now - i wonder though - how much can a driver take - before loosing its punch - if mines are original drivers front and rear - the front driver i am sure takes it the hardest - i dont notice anything wrong with it or the sound - but its 26 years old - i wonder how much better can i sound if you just replace them with new drivers - lets say from Bobs ? does this make any sense ? i am not looking to do this now - but just though about it - curious you know -

Ok - i would have not known this - thanks for all this info - to me they all looked the same or very similar - wouldnt think it make a big difference - now i know better - in the event someone cant use or dosnt have the K 75 - what would be the replacement for a forte II - would a newer model from the H III or Cornwall III - or maybe one of the pro models - would any of those be close at least and handle the power in the worst case situation ? i am just thinking ahead - since i am loving my forte II -- i would hate to have a issue of some sort and then cant find a replacement - this started when i changed my tweeter - one of them - the magnet end - you have the 3 screws sticking up - and you lower the horn on top and screw it down - well one of mines - they were not perfect straight up - i think two of them were slated some - and made it very very hard to remove the horn - but once i did that - i was not able to get it back on - i figured it out and used my dremal to open the holes on the horn side and its fine now - cant notice anything - but just made me think about it and this is the reason i been asking about it here - i wonder if others ever had to find a replacement or used different models - i never really paid that much attention to the numbers - models etc, - i always looked at the horn side of things - all looked the same - i figured it would be fine - - i was wrong and know understand it better - i am concerned even with the other drivers - i know Bob has the active driver - etc, if needed - but i never seen a replacement for the passive driver in the rear ? what does someone do if one of those go bad or gets broken etc, -

ok so i could use anyone of those models for my forte II - and would be the same horn etc, - just maybe different magnets on some - which may affect sound for better or worse - i guess - well at least this gives me some more options - lets say i find a pair of K 76 - - i wont purchase one in case i need to use them - i would change them both to keep it even - about the K 62 Mid horn - is that the whole horn itself or just the magnet etc, attached to the horn - i was curious to see if any are around that can be used to replace the Mid horn from the Forte II model - i am using the K 53 Ti and its fine but what if the horn itself is needed - it looks like we are out of luck there - i know what are the chances someone would need one - but you never know - its one of those things i just dont see i may be interested in a pair of K 75 - magnet etc, complete if i find some at a decent price - or i would even try K 76 or the other models you stated - K 79 - those in pairs for sure - K 75 maybe one is ok since its original -

i just noticed the K 76 horn was taken from the Quartet model - which i though was the same horns as the forte II and chorus II - i could swear the magnet is the same size on it as the forte II for the tweeter - i am not concerned about the diaphragm - just the horn magnet etc, complete unit -

yes i see the difference - with the mid horns - the tweeters are tricky - they all look the same or very close - i guess no unless you know and see them side by side - or check the magnet would i know - i just checked the pics from the KG 3.2 and its a K 84 K - but looks 100% the same - and i am sure would fit - but like you said - the magnet makes a difference - so bottom line is - best to stick with the model you have - in the event you needed to change them - in my case - best would be K 75 and K 61 for the Mid - which i never seen before - to buy a replacement etc, - i wonder if anyone has ever had to replace one with a different model brand - wont be the same i am sure - but at least make it fit in the front i though for a moment - i can order a new one for the H III = and would be fine - - i looked up that other one K 792 - its from the pro model speaker - its still in production - would it be safe to say i can call them and ask for a replacement for that model ? and have for my forte II - wonder what it will cost - since pro models always seem to cost alot more - if thats correct - that would be a good way choice to get new complete drivers with the H III mid horn - that looks to be same as the Forte I horns etc, - which is great for anyone with Forte I models - but the Mid on the Forte II - i dont see anything on that for a replacement - maybe the pro models - they do have a Mid horn which looks to be close in size shape etc, - i wonder if those would work for the forte II models if ever needed - KI 362 model speaker - i see the holes dont match - but the size looks close - i wonder if that can be used if needed

the mid horn on the forte II - is there an aftermarket replacement by any chance - i found one on ebay - its not a replacement - but does look like it would fit - 7 x 10 size horn but says horn tweeter - i was just looking because the size looks similar -

ok thanks - good to know - do you think the K 76 k is not the same ? the look is so close that i see no difference - i found an academy model tweeter and yes that model the magnet is different - everything else same just magnet - the forte II uses a Tractrix horn for the tweeter ?

ok - so a replacement woofer should be 4 ohm then - why does the rear posts show 8 ohms - - confusing when its time to replace - so the horn lens which screws on the cabinet - is the same - just different magnet - drivers - but would work if needed - as long as the horn is the same that screws in the cabinet - they all look the same - and magnet also - what difference would the magnet difference make ? would the same diaphram fit in between magnet and horn ? just curious to know - if have ever need a pair - if i can use other models or just have to get the K 75 K for any reason i wont know -

- i have a question - on the Forte II - the tweeter is the K 75 K ? are there any other models that are the same tweeter ? i seen some on Ebay but they said its K 76 K - they look excalty the same - but not sure if something is different that would not make it fit in the forte II model ? they look the same as the KG 3.2 i had also - and the new heresy - is that the same tweeter also ? would i be able to purchase them new from Klipsch and use them in the forte II ? and the midrange is K 61 i think - what does anyone do if they need to replace that midrange horn ? i never seen them for sale before - also another thing i am confused about - the speaker posts say 8ohm - so the active drivers are 8 ohm ? reason i ask is - i seen replacement drivers - and some can be 8ohm and some say 4 ohm - even bobs replacement drivers say 4 ohm - if i had to replace my drives in the future - which do i get ? and can you use a 4 ohm driver instead if its 8ohm stock ? this is the same for my KG 3.2 - i find replacement drives on Ebay for them - and both in 4 ohm and 8 ohm - - which would be the correct driver ohm for those also - and what happens if you did use a 4 ohm driver instead of a 8ohm i understand the 4 ohm pulls more from the amp - but other than that - would it work - sound better - worse - different ? not work ? does the x overs need to be changed or left alone as is - they both have bobs xover in them - one more thing - the wood screws used on these speakers - for all the drives - tweeter , midrange - active - passive etc, - if i wanted to change them all to new ones - is there a correct kit of screws for them that i can purchase ? i did notice some of my screws longer and penetrate the wood all the way - not sure if thats how they were from factory or the screws are too long ? any one have any idea of the size of the screws needed - i am not looking to remove them for no reason now - but if i had to - i would use some wood filler wood glue and then use the newer shorter screws in there place - but not sure if they would hold as good either - i used gasket sealer tape on the inside when i opened them to change the x over etc, - and everything is fine - i am not concerned if left alone now - but in the future - if i have to open it for any reason - i may want to do it differently - they sound great - i wonder how long does an active driver last more or less - i mean its 26 years old - sounds great - looks great - but does it loose some punch or anything over time ? of they just work till they dont and then change them out ? what benefit can you get if you just changed out the front 12 driver for a new one - lets say from bobs - if its working fine now - would you gain something ? thanks -