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Interesting. . .so the Jubilee does require corner placement? I guess what I'm really asking is the Jubilee designed to be placed in a corner, like the K-horn, or does the Jubilee just sound better in a corner, like many other speakers? Coytee, I like to visit Floyd Garrett's car museum down in southeastern TN. Next time I head down there, I'll be in touch. Jeff

We're in the middle of a heatwave here in Milwaukee (65!!), so I'll try turning the speaker tonight. My guess too is that it will sound significantly different at 30' or so. I didn't realize that a two way comes together more quickly. . .gosh, I even read the other Jubilee threads and I STILL didn't get it. I tend to tune out when some threads get really techie. On another note, I have had the system along the other long wall and had some major bass issues. . .this was before the subs though. Along the other wall, the bass from the 'Scalas was completely lost. Might be worth another switch though since the subs were added. . . Jeff

Coytee, Here's an old thread of mine shortly after I got my subs that shows my room (crummy pics, but they get the idea across): http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/thread/692090.aspx The left speaker (if you're looking at the speakers) is to the right of the corner about 3'. So instead of the the speakers being 20' apart, they're about 17' apart. The rear of the speaker is still against the back wall, so it isn't a situation where the speaker is now along a side wall. . .the speakers are still in front of the listening position. I'm completely satisfied with my current setup, but I keep hearing how great the Jubilees are. . . Jeff

Wow, what service! To be technical, my right speak sits in the corner (well, the best that a lascala can sit in a corner) on a 45 degree angle. My left speaker is the one that sits about 3' in from the corner, against the wall. I "could" (and do) put it in the corner, but my front door makes up one of the corners. I can lug my lascala in and out of the corner pretty easily, but I'm not sure I want to move a Jubilee! Hope this helps. Jeff

Coytee, Thanks! Yes, the Jubilee would also sit about 3' from the corner, against the wall. I'm in absolutely no hurry, as the Jubilee is sort of a pipedream at this point. . .but I would be interested in your untechnical review of how the bass is when your Jubilee(s) are about 3' over from the corner. Have a good one- Jeff

Coytee, Thanks for the help. When Roy said "you would have to be on the order of a foot or so on each side before something showed up", was he just referring to the natural response increase of having a speaker in a corner? Or does the Jubilee drop like a K-horn drops outside of a corner? I have a 20' X 13' room with my speakers along the 20' wall. I have one good corner, but the other one is crummy. My lascala sits about 3' from that corner, against the wall. Thanks again for your help. Jeff

Mike, I swear that's what I read too. But, some of the recent Jubilee discussion made it seem as though corner placement was necessary. Let's see if anyone else can set us straight! Thanks for your help- Jeff

Here's an easy one: does the Jubilee require corner placement to complete the bass horn? Jeff

Coytee, Got your PM, thanks! Jeff

Larry, If a deal has fallen through, I too am interested in knowing what's left. Thanks. Jeff

Anyone know off hand what MSRP is on a pair of 2 way Jubilees? Can they be special ordered in a different color other than black? Thanks Jeff

Bob and Coytee, Thanks for the input. . .I have some thinking to do! Jeff

Coytee, Hopefully you check back to read this! I too have a pair of '79s and "if" I purchase new, I'd be using them with the II's. In your opinion, ould they still blend well together? Thanks! Jeff

Quick question for those who have heard LS2's. . .if you had to compare them to a particular "vintage" of LaScala, which do they most resemble? Or have the improvements made them in a league of their own? Jeff

Hardhead, Wow, I came back and saw my thread started one heck of a discussion. My conclusion isn't nearly as exciting though. I'm going to have my AA's in the 1979s rebuilt. I'm not interested in doing it myself. As far as the 1984s, I think I'll eventually sell them. To make them sound the way I want them to will cost more than I'm willing to spend and deals on LaScalas do come up from time to time. Thanks everyone for their help! Jeff Jeff-- No one has answered your real question yet. As I noted above, I believe your K-55-M squawker and K-77-M tweeter are simply too loud (efficient) for the Type "AA" crossover. The way to find out for sure if that really is the problem is to swap the "-M" tweeter and squawker with the Alnico ones as I previously suggested. If that is, in fact, the problem, Al Klappenberger's ALK crossover networks have a way to adjust the volume of both the squawker and the tweeter to put their outputs in line with the woofer. You can kill two birds with one stone that way: get a fantastic crossover and fix the tweeter-squawker output problem.

Thanks Dee, I think I'll do the convertible option. I know Bob Crites comes with a LOT of recommendation, but are there others on the board who do rebuilds? Honestly, I've heard so many good things about Bob's work, but I'm just looking at my options. Does anyone know the differences between the rebuilds each person does?. . .maybe there's no difference? Jeff

Good question Dean, I bet that info. will help. My speakers are in the corners of the long wall of my living room that measures appx. 13' X 20', with 8' ceilings. One corner is nice, the other consists of two doors that aren't used very often. Once in a while that speaker in the bad corner moves over about 3' into the long wall so I can open the door behind it. I like the sound better with that speaker in the corner, so I try to keep it there if I can. My listening position is against the other long wall, just about centered from the two speakers. My room has hardwood floors with no rug, a love seat and sofa for furniture. Otherwise, there's a fireplace along one short wall and end tables next to the sofa and love seat. My window treatments are minimal, with basic blinds and medium weight curtains across the top to cover the tops of the blinds. Between the two speakers on the 20' wall, there is a 10' window that's about 5' tall. My rack and TV are housed there. A Klipsch Ultra sub resides near each LaScala (on the same long wall as the rack and TV). . .the subs sit between the window edge and the corner where each speaker is. There's a sub on each side, they're not stacked. . .yet. I rarely get to log on at home, but I will "try" to post a pic or two this weekend. The room has an openess about it that I like, but probably would benefit from a rug on the floor. I tend to listen to a lot newer alt. country, americana, type music. But, I listen to a decent amount of 60s, 70s, 80s RnR, 50s and early 60s soul, and even some rap. 80% of the time, I listen at comfortable, easy to talk while listening, levels. But, I do like to crank it up from time to time. The meters on my Mac 2105 will bounce into the 10 watt range or so. The louder the music, the more the '84s bother me. BTW, my horns are wrapped in deadening material and I still like the 79s much more. The difference between the two speakers is quite noticeable to my ears. Overall, I love the presence of the LaScala. I prefer the LaScala sound much more than the Cornwall, which I've owned twice, for about 10 years total. I think I'm hooked on the horn loaded bass. To me the LaScala has always sounded more live, more natural. In my current room, it's hard to tell exactly where the sound is coming from, as the room seems to be "filled" with sound. It's that feeling that there's a band right in front of me that has kept me loyal to LaScalas. And with the KW-120 subs, it's a no brainer for me. I hope this helps out a bit with my room and tastes! Sorry for being long winded! Jeff

Mark, I just read Peter Z's thread about the K77. Much of what he says rings true for me too. I too really like that '70s Klipsch sound and the '84s sound harsh to me or "hot" as I think Peter said. I'm gathering that my best options include swapping to Bob's tweeters and/or getting a pair of Al's extreme slope networks. Both of those options would require a lot of thought on my end because I'd probably lose financially if I didn't like either setup. I can at least justify rebuilding the networks in the '79s since they haven't been touched in 27 years. I think I'll have to sit on this one for a bit. . . Jeff

You have a very rare piece. I'm a longtime AC/DC collector, but have been out of the game for several years. "Live from Atlantic Studios" was highly sought after for years because so few copies existed. When CD's became popular, burned versions became available and more fans were able to hear this phenomenal recording. AC/DC memorbilia varies a LOT and there doesn't seem to be any reason why prices are high or low at any given time. Here's what I'd do: AC has an album due out sometime in spring. Hang on to the album until their tour starts next year because there will be more of a "buzz" about them then. My semi-educated guess is that with your documentation, you should fetch in the $200 ish range for the album. It's somewhat of a guess, because prices on that record vary a lot. Best of luck! Jeff

I really appreciate everyone's thoughts, they've helped a ton. Two conclusions: I think I'm going to have the AA's in my '79's rebuilt, so I can get a baseline. My gut is telling me that I may be happy with just a rebuild, since I already like the sound of these speakers as is. With my '84's though, I have the same dilemma Michael has: did we indeed make a mistake by putting AA's in speakers the K55 and K77 M drivers? If I like the sound of the AA's in my '79's, how can I get my M driven '84's to sound like the '79's? Jeff

Thanks for the replies fellas. When I replaced the AL's in the '84's with the AA's, I did notice an improvement. But, I don't doubt that the harshness I'm hearing is because I put AA's in with K 55 and K 77 M's. Oddly though, when I did that swap 3-4 years ago, I asked around here first. I remember quite a few telling me that there is little difference between the M and V versions of the K 55 and K77 and that swapping from the AL to the AA would do the trick. Is there anything I can have doneto my AA's in the '84s to make those speakers sound like the '79s? I guess I could always try to find Alnico tweeters? For the '79s, I'm leaning toward just having the AA's rebuilt. Has anyone been able to hear AA's, Dean's, and Al's networks? If so, is there a simple way to distinguish between them all? I guess what I'm asking is what's the difference between them all? Thanks again for all the help. Jeff

John, You bring up an excellent point. I have a pair of 84's with non Alnico K-55s (I always forget is that is the M or V version) and whichever tweeter was stock in '84. . .the non Alnico K-77 I believe. I swapped the stock AL networks for AAs that haven't been rebuilt. My other pair are bone stock '79's. They have Alnico K-55s (with spring terminals), Alnico k-77s, and original AAs. I enjoy the sound of the '79's a LOT more than the '84's. The '79's sound much more smooth to me and not nearly as harsh in the upper frequencies. Oddly, the bass also seems punchier on the '79's. I'm not a measurement guy, so I'm only able to tell you what I "think" I hear. Don't get me wrong, both pairs sound very similar, but my observations come from a weekend of A/Bing both pairs. Do my observations change anyone's recommendation? I appreciate the input so far, this is the kind of feedback I was hoping for. If anyone has a specific recommendation that you'd rather email, don't hesitate to email me either. My yahoo account with a Klipsch specific subject works well: tidmack@yahoo.com. Thanks Jeff

I've purchased most of my Klipsch used. Specifically with the Heritage line, I've read a lot about the sonic improvement with rebuilding/upgrading older networks. I thought about having the AA networks in my LaScalas rebuilt a few years ago, but held off because I sold a spare pair of Cornwalls that would have been used while the networks were being serviced. I recently bought another pair of LaScalas and want to get the ball rolling on a rebuild or possible upgrade while I have two pairs of speakers. Although I can only compare AA to AL networks, I've found that I really like the sound of the AA's. IMO, they're warmer than the AL's and seem to allow for punchier bass. Again though, that's comparing two 20+ year old networks, I'm not sure if what I'm hearing is what I'm supposed to be hearing. Is there a concise comparison available for the different networks so I can spend my money as wisely as possible? My gut is telling me to simply have my AA's rebuilt and see if I like them as is. But, in comparison to AA's, what will Al K. or Dean's networks offer? Accuracy, better extension? As always, thanks for your input. Jeff

Tom, Here's a very "non-engineer" point of view. The more I read about the Ultras, the more I realize I haven't even come close to their max output. I have them in a 20X13 living room with a 10 foot long window, hallway on one end, and entrance to the kitchen on the other, hardwood floors throughout, and 8 foot ceilings. Hardly a perfect room, but I have an absolutely crazy amount of bass. I run my ultras with a pair of LaScalas and use them mainly for music and only watch movies in two channel. What impresses me most about these subs is their ability to reproduce bass notes accurately and at levels that match the volume of the LaScalas. . .many here have said they keep up with Heritage well and I agree. Even at 104 ish dB's (watching meters on the Mac), the subs keep up effortlessly. To me this is a ridiculous volume and I only do it to see if I can. Last night, I watched Neko Case's Austin City Limits DVD and fell in love with her and my speakers all over again. The upright bass could've been in my living room. You can literally hear Tom strumming the instrument, yet the lower notes shook my pants. Incredible. If explosions are your thing, the Ultras do these well too. I recently watched King Kong and my walls shook a few times. When I say shook, I mean it. The explosions, stomping, other effect. . .will hit you dead square in the chest and leave you wondering who threw the punch. At the end of the day, I'm completely satisfied. I listen loud, but not outrageously loud. I've never heard the Ultras fart, burp, or make other weird noises. I think it might be impossible to blow them. Really. NOTE: Take everything I say with a grain of salt because I haven't heard other subs at this price point. As others have said, there may be better choices for the money, but I am completely satisfied with the Ultras. . . Jeff

Michael, I picked up a two channel M Audio soundcard that has RCA's on it. It was recommended by a forum member for doing recording. From what I've been reading in the manual (yes, I sometimes read manuals!), I should be able to plug my TT right into it. Jeff