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I have a Marantz sr7002. All I can say is that it brought my system to life like never before. I've driven Klipsch with Sony, Pioneer, Yamaha, Denon and NAD. Only the NAD came close to the sound the Marantz creates. When I finally decide to upgrade again it will be to Marantz separates. FWIW, I demo'd a number of receivers during this last round of upgrading and the most musical of all of them was the Marantz. IMO, of course.

Just to add to what Bill H. said, some of the early KG-4's are 4 ohm. Mine are.

We have a nearly identical setup. I just sold my RS-3's, which are the big brother to the SS-1's. I thought the RS-3's sounded really good but I wanted to upgrade to a larger speaker for the surrounds and for multi-channel music. I think the technology in these speakers works well for surround in movies but if you want to use them for multi-channel music you may be happier with a non-WDST design.

I can't speak for the reference but I don't think the synergy would be a good match. As the others have mentioned, your best bet is a KLF or Academy. If you wait long enough one or both will turn up on Ebay. It will only be a matter of how much you're willing to spend to get it. My Academy cost me, IIRC, $540. Way too much but in all honesty it is a perfect and seamless match with my Forte II's so I'd do it again if I had to.

Thanks for the additional replies. I'm going to play around with the toe-in to see what works best for me. We're planning to build a new room this summer and when that happens I'll have all sorts of options, including moving the speakers off of the front wall and spreading them out. Right now I have them about 7 inches off the front wall and on either side of the TV stand (roughly 5' apart). In the new room I'll be able to spread them to around 10' apart and maybe 18" from the side wall. I'll be able to push the speakers off the front wall by anywhere from 15" to 30", but that is probably too far given the rule of thumb coulter suggested. BTW, I assume the 15" from the front wall is to the center of the passive on the back, correct? So with toe-in the center of the passive would be 15", one corner would be less than 15" and the other more. Do I have that correct?

When all else fails, RTFM, which I would have done if I had one. Thanks for posting the link, Gil. I have my speakers toe'd in now, slightly in front of my seating position but that's through sheer dumb luck. I had read somewhere that crossing them in front could open up the sweet spot slightly so I tried it and liked it. I'm in a tweaking mood so I may play around with the placement just to see what happens. Thanks again!

Rather than start a new thread, I'll ask here. I've been reading about speaker placement recently and when it comes to toe-in I keep seeing things like 'manufacturers recommendation for the speaker' and that some speakers should be toe'd in and others not. It got me to wondering where the Forte II's fall. Are they supposed to be toe'd in or not? Yes, I'm playing around with what I like but it would be nice to know what is considered to be 'right' for the Forte II. After that I'll consider which is more important t me, soundstage width or center image, etc. Any thoughts?

Thanks for the reply. I think you nailed it with the bass. I had the house to myself for the last hour so I put a number of cd's through the system at low and high volume. Not a single one caused the sound to occur except for the one CD I mentioned. I could get it to repeat over and over again. It starts at a point where the bass really kicks in. The CD is Kodo "Ibuki", which is Japanese drumming and very bass intensive. There is something about this CD that my KG's hate because it plays beautifully on the Forte II's. I would have never thought a bass driver could make that sound. Anyway, I feel relieved that there appears to be no problems with the KG-4's. I plan on handing them down to my son once he gets a little older. Thanks.

BTW, why can't I get paragraph breaks?! Is this a Safari thing?

Hi all. I have a KG-4 in a 2 channel system that has developed a problem. When playing certain music, mainly bass-heavy and at a medium to high volume, I get this sound coming from the speaker. It sounds kinda like a high pitched pop/squeek you hear from a sneaker on a indoor gym floor, but definitely electronic in nature. I've tried two different amps (NAD and Denon) with the speaker and get the same results. I've tried the same CD at high volume in my HT system and the sound is not there. The other weird thing is that I can repeat it over and over again with this bass-heavy CD, in different parts of the track, but it doesn't always occur with other music. It's something about how this CD sounds that causes the speaker to freak out. Does anyone care to guess what it might be? I THINK it's the tweeter but that's a 100% guess. It just seems like the logical thing given how high-pitched the sound is. However, for all I know it's the crossover. I've never diagnosed a speaker problem until now. I guess I've been lucky so far. TIA

I think that I must have been unclear. I don't want to switch from the Forte II's to the RF's. I was only using the RF's because that's what they had in the store and I figured the RF's would be better than listening to a non-Klipsch. I'm interested in what people think of the Pioneer or Denon with Klipsch in general, not just the RF's. For that matter, I've recently come across the Marantz sr7002 and added that to the short list. Man, no offense to RF owners but I shudder at the thought of replacing my OO Forte II's with those. I LOVE my speakers.

I'm in the middle of researching a new receiver purchase and I was wondering if anyone here using either of these receivers would be willing to post your thoughts on them. I'm having a hard time deciding between the two of them. I've listened to both at my local BB paired with RF82's. To be honest, I thought both receivers sounded warm but less detailed/clear than I expected them to be. I'm wondering if it was the receivers or just the way the RF82's sound. I'm so used to the way my Forte II's sound that anything else sounds odd to my ears. Anyway, I'd appreciate any opinions on these two receivers. I'd especially like to hear what people think about the power output of the Pio. The recent S&V review wasn't kind to the 94 with 7 channels driven (61 wpc vs the stated 140). I know the Forte II's are very sensitive but I still don't like the thought of a receiver that drops so far below its rating.

Good to know. I'll check the Outlaw out.

I guess I can take the lack of replies as a sign that few people use S/N with Klipsch. That in and of itself may be an answer to my question.

Does anyone have any experience driving Klipsch with Sherwood Newcastle? I've been reading the specs on the upcoming R-972 and I think it has a lot of potential. I'd like to add it to my short list along with the Denon 3808ci and the Pioneer Elite VSX-92TXH but I'm not sure how SN matches up with Klipsch. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any SN dealers in my area so I can't go and check it out in person very easily. Is the SN brand considered bright, warm, neutral? I've never heard a SN receiver, or their low-end Sherwood line. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=785388 The link is old and some specs have changed but: http://www.audioholics.com/news/trade-show-coverage/2007-consumer-electronics-show-ces/sherwood-newcastle-r-972-hdmi-1-3-receiver

Yeah, it's not a bad idea. I thought about doing it but I think the KG4s a little too big for a high shelf, and the WAF. Plus, I'd be a little worried about the passive radiator on the back being too close to the wall. I just picked up a pair of OO KG3s for $100 so I'm going with those. If I don't like them on the side I'll find a way to stand them upright and keep the wife happy.

Thanks for the reply. I'll give it a shot.

I'm looking at changing my rear surrounds from my current RS-3's to either a KG2.5 or KG3. In order to do this I need to lie them down on their side and place them on top of matching 44" tall bookcases. I'm wondering if anyone has done this and what they think/thought of that setup. I don't think lying the KG2.5's on the side would be a problem because they don't have different vertical and horizontal dispersion patterns. IIRC, the KG3 does, though. I'd prefer the larger KG3 but not if it's generally thought to be a bad idea to lay it on it's side (for rear surrounds). TIA

I had the KV-3 as a center for a while and really liked it. I eventually upgraded to an Academy and think it's a better match to my Forte II's. I'm not sure if the difference in quality is worth the price, though. IIRC I paid around $540 for my Academy. The KV-3 was much less. As for the rears, I currently have RS-3's but am considering going to either the KG-2.5's or KG-3's. The 2.2 or 2.5's are nice and small and IMO would be a good choice.

>>I just like to argue, dont take it personal.<< I'm not taking it personal but thanks for letting me know.

>>I own both sunfire and rotel amps, and I will tell you that the rotel is a toy. Sunfire doubles down to 2 ohms, DOES NOT go into thermal protection as the rotel does, and sounds more transparent than the rotel. BTW I have used them both on Klipsch chorus2s, K-Horns, Paradigm studio 60s, and VMPS ST/Rs. Carvers sunfire is a better peice than any Rotel amp.But if you would like to buy a Rotel, Ill be happy to sell mine<< You've used both amps, not only with Klipsch but with others. You're opinion on this has great value and I'm not being sarcastic saying that. This just proves my point. Who should we listen to, someone like you who's demoed the equipment in question or someone who says "I haven't listened to Sunfire with Klipsch but Sunfires are great!"? For the record, I never suggested he go with either amp because I don't care what he chooses. I suggested he listen for himself and decide.

>>There seems to be a lot of pushing and shoving going on here over something that is really very subjective. What I think is a great combo to my ears, others may not. I even commented in my earlier insertion that I have built several theater setups using Klipsch/Sunfire in the homes I build, and have not been impressed. For my own home I chose the Klipsch/Rotel combo because it does impress me. It's certainly not worth getting into a p g contest over, is it?<< You're right and I didn't think my original post would start one. Minn Male, IMO, started this by jumping to conclusions about my post when I wasn't even addressing him. I tried to explain that in the post above. My nastiness was in direct response to that snide comment about me not reading the entire thread. I hope everything is clear now but if it's not, I'll say it again...my constructive comment is to listen for yourself. If you like the combo, buy it. It's your system, money, and your ears. There's a reason there are so many types of receivers, amps, speakers, DVD players, etc. Everyone hears things differently.

>>i was not making any assumptions about your lack of thoroughness..... but you do have a good point - YOU chose to ignore my comment that i had heard sunfire and klipsch together.....<< Let's start over and I'll try to be more clear. I wasn't personally addressing you and your experience because you weren't one of the people making a statement that was not based on actual data. In other words, you weren't the one making the mistake, IMO. Again, I didn't say that people who have listened to Sunfire with Klipsch shouldn't comment, I said that it was difficult if not impossible to comment if you HAVEN'T listened to that combo. The comments weren't addressed to you personally because it didn't APPLY to you. As I said, I wasn't addressing you specifically but rather the topic as a whole. And you're still not taking into account my other point that he has his ears and you have yours. It'll sound different to you than it will to him and he should listen for himself. >>and yes.... i do know that others also use sunfire and klipsch successfully - i pointed out in my first post that MrMcgoo on this forum uses that combination of amplifier and speakers....<< Sorry, but two people with positive experience doesn't disprove my statement that he should listen for himself. For example, there are many people who love Denon with Klipsch and say so. There are just as many that hate that combo. To you and MrMcgoo Sunfire with Klipsch sounds good. GREAT! Enjoy! However, that combo might sound awful to another person. That's why I led off by saying "everything is subjective and is based on what each individual thinks sounds good." >>your general assumption is really in error if there were two cases that refuted your statement......<< See above. BTW, two cases is far too small a sample for you to say Im in error. >>i would never infer that another forum member is stupid...... i will let others read your comments and make their own judgements......<< Apparently the two people posting above read them and agreed with me. So, if I have two cases that refute your statement should I say you are in error? Thought not. >>maybe you could make a CONSTRUCTIVE comment that might actually help the original poster make an informed decision.... telling someone that everyone else is full of b.s. because they haven't heard sunfire and klipsch together does nothing to add to the discussion and in this case is just plain wrong.....<< Actually, by telling him to listen for himself and not to put too much weight in comments coming from people that had not listened to that actual combo he's interested in, I WAS making a constructive comment. Im sorry you cant see that. The sad part of this is that you werent the person I had in mind when I posted but you obviously felt slighted and posted a rude comment. Just another reason I stopped posting here, I got tired of the garbage.

>>.......Second, how can you say someone should pick Sunfire to go with your Klipsch when you haven't even listened to Sunfire driving Klipsch speakers?...... i have heard the sunfire powering a complete RF-7 system.... very impressive..... and a much better sound than any rotel i have ever heard powering any klipsch speakers..... since you obviously didn't bother to read the entire thread..... i posted this information on the 9th post of the thread on page one.... "another vote here for the sunfire amps.... heard one powering RF-7's at an Ultimate Elctronics here in minneapolis..... excellent sound with the RF-7's...."<< Since YOU were quick to assume that I didn't read the entire thread, I'll put that point to rest, I DID read the entire thread. You'll notice (or apparently you didn't) that my post didn't single out a particular person. You'll also notice, since you read the entire thread, that you were not the only one that recommended Sunfire amps. Those other people did, in fact, say they either didn't listen to Sunfire with Klipsch or made a general recommendation. Sorry, was I supposed to address you and only you personally for my point to be valid? Does the fact that you actually had experience with that combo validate the opinions of those who do not? No, not really. Oh and the first part of my post does apply to you and everyone else, whether the combo sounds good to the person asking the question IS paramount and entirely up to the ears of the beholder. I notice you conveniently left that out of your post. I don't know why some people feel the need to post a snide comment rather than asking for clarification on a post. You post a snide comment and you get a similar one in return. Constructive, isn't it? Oh, just in case this is an issue...Don't equate low post count or infrequent activity on this board with stupidity or a lack of thoroughness.

>>I agree. However, unfortunatly it is not always possible.<< Point conceded. Sometimes you're forced into asking instead of demoing. The person asking just has to understand the pitfalls of relying on other peoples opinions when it comes to amp/speaker matching. I'll admit, it's tough. Everyone wants to get some insight, myself included, on potential combos so the questions get asked and we do the best we can to guide each other to the right choice.