bigblaze

I aggree the mc 252 was extremely smooth and warm. just not as musical. the tube amp places the vocalist into a spot about 12 inches by 12 inches dead center on the fron wall. the mcintosh spread it accross the whole wall. tube amp is not as smooth but images much better. I now have the mc 252 on bass duty only and tube amp on the mids and highs.

checked phasing and it was correct. I decided the best thing to is use both amps and biamp. I had an electronic crossover laying around and put it to use. I figured with the great reputation and high price of Mcintosh gear the amp would exibit great imaging. pretty sure I will not buy Mcintosh again. I have a pair of dynaudio speakers available that image very well. I will have to try them with the amp to see if it is just the klipshorns that do not do well with the amplifier.

not out of phase. I can go from one amp to the other and there is a clear differrence. even my wife can hear the extreme difference.

I took a chance on a mcintosh mc252 rated at 250 watts per channel. I was using a cayan ta30 rated at 30 watts a channel. with the cayin tube amp the vocals seemed to come from dead center like the singer was standing right in front of you. with the mcintosh the vocals seem spread accross the whole front wall. the mcintosh has a great overall sound to it but I prefere the central position of the vocalist with the tube amp. can anyone exlplain what it is that causes this difference? it was a very expensive dissapointment!

yes in good solid corners sealed with pipe insalation. in phase unless the wires going into the sub are wrong. I think maybe a lot of people have different ideas about strong and week bass. I am into cars also and everyone seams to have different ideas about what is a fast car as well. maybe I should get some readings on SPL in my room and we will all know exactly what I consider week bass. btw my comfortable listening volume is too high for around 90% of everyone I have had listen with me. and I am not loosing hearing. lol I get an annual hearing test and it checks out great.

unfortunatly I am very limited with my room situation I really only have one wall I can place them against and my listening position seams to be the biggest dead spot as far as the bass goes. even with the amazing sub I added it is weak in my listening spot. have tried several positions with the sub too. I had a chance to pick up a great mcintosh ss amp I should have grabbed it. I hate to give up any on the great sound the tube amp is producing. I am fairly new to the high end home audio. I have drooled over k-horns for years. an add came up on the local clasified adds a few months ago for the k-horns and the cayin amp I offered an ar-15 in trade and here I am. also picked up the mcintosh C15 preamp for 350.00 from another add locally.

I am running klipshorns with B&K sound type A-4500 crossovers, a cayin TA30 tube amp and using a mcintosh c15 preamp. I listen to all types of music and like alot of bass. I am really disapointed in the bass output of the horns. finally I decided they needed some reinforcment so I added a SHU Research VTF3 MK-3 subwoofer. all I can say is wow! most impressive sub I have ever heard. I am still trying to get a little more bass from the k-horns is it that I am using a tube amp that is holding them back? any sugestions on getting more out of them? the corners are good and solid and they are sealed to the wall correctly.