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The manifolds were produced in house and, as I recall Jim was working on woofers when the MSM manifold was being done but I'll bet he put his 2 cents worth in anyway.

yes ...Don Keele of Electrovoice constant directivity (CD) horn fame was once an engineer under PWK. I think he was in on the MSM horn manifold patent and the MTM piezo tweeter array. (many laughed at the MTM piezo tweeter array but they worked very well ....just ask Clair Brothers....they still use the concept and really, who is going to question a Clair Brothers PA?)

Thanks for the kind words Michael and I like your option as well. Have a good vaccum handy for those who choose to grind on a frame. The doping on the spider and surround can be tacky and attractive for fine aluminum particles. By the way, when the MWM was developed Roy was still at school but P. Wilbur had some rather good helpers around all the same. If my memory serves Gary Gillum and Don Keele worked on the MCM system project and the W horn bin concept had already been around and proven. Klipsch just did it better in my opinion. I had 4 x MWMs and 4 x MWM-S (all BG) in a rig that I used at pub gigs in Melbourne. A bugger to lug around but certainly everyone could "feel the kick" (in the next suburb). I can remember seeing Lee Sklar on stage with an MWM for his bass monitor - awesome!

Klipsch and Klipsch Pro did the round over on all pro product with exception to oak OO, walnut WO or finished black FB product. (These were essentially home product with high powered woofers, input/crossovers etc such as Heresy, Cornwall and La Scallywags) The "B" suffix designated that the cabinet had rounded over corners and edges, painted in the tough, speckled black paint. The "A" suffix versions were the same but trimmed and had handles and of course the "C" versions had round over edges and carpeted. Cabinets were built then sent to the sanding booth to get rounded over and nail holes and corner breakouts etc were filled with bondo. They were then finish sanded and moved to the paint line, allowed to dry and sent to final assembly I believe that the radius was 1/2" but it may have been 7/16. Off the shelf ABS corners actually had a slightly larger radius than what we were using

I received an email from contributor heli001 who is looking for the old tooling for the cast aluminium corners for the BG models. I thought that others may be interested in my reply to him so I am copying it here on this forum about Aluminum Trim: Dear Mr. Fisher (heli001), I wish that I could be of further assistance on your search for the aluminium die cast tooling but regretfully, I cannot. I was instrumentally involved in the acquisition of the Industrial/Professional division from Klipsch & Associates back in 1992/93. As part of that sale/acquisition WWR Technology purchased all of the proprietary tooling used in the industrial/pro lines. Typically all tooling was located at the place of manufacture be that in whatever corner of the planet. There was some old tooling, other than that used in Klipsch made manifolds, horns and the like, stored at the Hope location but I do not recall that being for the aluminium corner molds. I am quite sure that those tools were not there. The aluminium trim used on the "BG" finished products for road/touring had well and truly been superseded by ABS polycarbonate products by the time of that sale/acquisition and the tooling, if it was still around and in one piece, was not part and parcel of that deal. Prior to the sale of the pro business unit, Paul Klipsch sold Klipsch & Assoc to Fred Klipsch of Indiana. I was not in Hope at that time, (but still very closely connected all the same). I later became aware that some of the old tooling for metal horns had been "moved" elsewhere. I am fairly sure that the cast aluminium corner tooling was not part of that lot. Frankly if Jim Hunter doesn't know what happened to it then I rest assured that it is lost for all time. I see that there could be a small and very limited market for the corners for a few folks who have MCMs and LSIs but is that worth finding/buying a casting tool and minimum production run? Maybe a sand cast done locally would be more cost effective and you have existing parts on hand to create that. You would do well to have that adapt to currently available aluminium extrusion. I wish you good luck on your endeavour and again, I am sorry that I could not put my finger on it for you. regards to all, Ian Thacker

K-43 is for MWM systems period if you bought models that were built prior to 1992 then you would need the pressed steel frame versions of the woofers or modify the dog house to accept the cast aluminium framed K-43-K/KP

In fact all "botched" Klipschorns were not destined to become TSCMs. Most were sold to employees at a good price or were destroyed. Sales for TSCM's were only occassional and a few rejected Klipschorns were put aside for when these rare orders came in. After all typical cinema stage systems that utilized TSCM's were just three units behind the screen in LCR configuration. Roger wrote: Klipschorns were made in pairs, and if one got Biotched up, They would enclose the 5/8" bass bin of the Klipschorn with sides, top and bottom of 3/4" Remember that all Klipsch at the time were built in MATCHING pairs so one cabinet rejected meant the pair was rejected. Fortunately we had excellent craftsmen back then so it was indeed rare to see any Klipschorns rejected at all. To work on that particular cabinet line one had to be a long term employee and to even get on that line there literally had to be a retirement. Again, it was rare to see a rejected Klipschorn ever and some TSCMs were built from plain birch ply purposely. At Klipsch Pro we always built the TSCM from scratch. regards to all Ian Thacker

Bump!!! I am not sure what you meant by that but it brought to mind to ask if anyone had noticed that the KP600 system was designed to pack efficiently into a standard semi-trailer van. The first stack would roll into the truck and sit to one side facing forward. The second stack would roll in and be placed along side but facing aft thus utilizing the full width of the trailer ..............and so on. Made life easy for the bump out and rolling down the highway!!!.

Back to my original post on this subject of TSCM. John F Allen and co were NEVER the worldwide distributors for Klipsch products of any kind let alone it's cinema systems unless you consider the USA as worldwide. This is contrary to whatever he advertised. Allen was miffed that Klipsch sold the professional/industrial products division to WWR Technologies, (doing business as Klipsch Professional), who advanced the product line and subsequently boosted sales competing with HPS. Allen had to purchase TSCM products from Klipsch Pro and Gary Gillum did produce some MCM and Heresy "knock-offs". I can assure you that was without the blessing of PWK. Allen's volume of sales as a competitor were considered so minimal that I turned a blind eye to the fact that HPS systems were primarilly Klipsch product being produced by G2 for John Allen. I knew that whatever G2 produced from that line would still be of the highest integrity and would not harm Klipsch. So if you come accross any of those Gary Gillum produced goodies then do revere them for what they are. HPS-4000 systems and John F Allen no longer mention their Klipsch heritage and associations...........make your own mind up about that. Claude .....my name is Ian Thacker and I pop in from time to time on this forum. I offer insight for those interested in how Klipch developed in the commercial products arena and to keep in touch with a few of the old farts like me left from earlier days of Klipsch. I became a Klipsch aficionado back in the late 1960's and 1978 I took the reins of distribution for all Klipsch products in Australasia and the south Pacific. (someone had to call on all those islands and I bet there are still many HP1's & CP1's hanging in beach bars) This eventually led to me relocating to Hope AR and to work for Klipsch and Associates. I was around when PWK sold the company to Fred Klipsch. When Fred sold the pro division I became its leader and Paul and I remained good friends (enjoying many a bottle of Bushmills together). I am not here to blow any horn .....but I will brag that my TV sound system is based around a pair of KG2's. KG2 as in K - G squared ..................Klipsch - Gary Gillum. Cheers!

well woopy do ClaudeJ1. I will be forever impressed by your vast knowledge and insight into the earlier days of Klipsch. As that you quoted my comment about John F Allen I'll take it that you directed your words at me, with the intention to "educate" me about John Allen, Gary Gillum, Paul Klipsch et al. Do you have any idea to whom you just enlightened about Klipsch history? Like my friend Gary Gillum, I too go "back over 30 years on this stuff". Cheers!

G'day Joey, Am doing OK what about you? I follow your input with KP600 stuff on this forum now and then. I could be active but I sometimes just like to sit back and see what everyone has to say ....often I find it amusing. There are times when I realize what I have forgotten and the memories come flooding back. I am also taken back to those gigs that I used to do with MCMs, 450s, LaScallywags and the 600s back in Oz. Then running the pro company here and developing the next generation. Klipsch was a huge part of my life and I still am firmly connected to Hope but it is also what moved me away from home. Good to see that you're still passionate mate. Take care Best regards, Thack

I have available for sale two of six of the now rare LaScala poster - "With LASCALA speakers and a 35 watt amp you can entertain your friends ...or your neighbors". These posters that came out for dealer use in the 1970s are very rare these days. However, the two that I am offreing for sale are extremely rare in that Paul W Klipsch had personally signed them back in the '80s. They are in excellent condition with only minor damage to the right hand edge that would be trimmed or covered when framed. Paul signed six of these posters for me when I was the Australian distributor for Klipsch products (1975-1992). I had framed two which I have left with friends in Australia for safe keeping. Prior to Paul's passing in 2002 I had sold two of the four that I brought with me when I moved to Arkansas and now there are only these two left and I am offering these to Klipsch fanatics to treasure. Please contact me to discuss you level of interest. Ian Thacker. thackmate@yahoo.com.au They are located in Little Rock, Arkansas.

"Industrial" was not my idea ..................I believe that was P Wilbur who suggested it to Jerry Werner ............

gee Thump ............. heady words there .............."I think the "commercial" term by itself is boring and certainly not compelling" ...............when we started selling Klipsch speakers for commercial use we called them "INDUSTRIAL" versions (there are a few of us left) ..............I guess it's nice to see the name Klipsch Pro in use again

G'day Michael ......which Midas? I headed up Midas, DDA and KT after my days at Klipsch Pro and Community. They are nice boards and great to work eh? Re the change of format for this forum ....why? Was it broken?