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The Yammy has a better amp - look at the numbers:
Marantz: Power Output (8 ohm, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08% 2ch Drive):100W
Yammy: Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven) :110 W (8 ohms, 0.06% THD)
The Yammy gives you 10% more watts at lower THD. Looking the weight of the two - Marantz 22.1lbs, Yammy 32.8lbs. A lot of an AVR weight is due to the amplification components.
Most people may not notice or need the difference in power and may not notice the difference - YMMV.
I have an RX-A3060 - so there may be a bit of bias in my response 🙂
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I have had a RF7/RC7/RS7 system since the early 2000s. I originally started out with a RSW-15 SW and have subsequently ( a couple of years ago) moved to a SVS PB-16 Ultra.
I am not sure what an upgrade would be - I am interested in others responses.
IMO, move into a house and get a boss SW - it makes all the difference - especially for movies.
Edit add: I too considered a RC-64ii/iii as my tv stand (Salamander Synergy quad series) only just fits the RC7. I had to remove the shelf "feet" to get the RC7 to fit, so an inch or so diff with the RC-64ii/iii would make a diff for me. Never did it though.
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Welcome. I have a "legacy" RF7,RC7 and RS7 setup, purchased new in the early 2000's. I would second the RC-64iii as the center for your fronts.
I can't add much more than @Ceptorman has already said for the surrounds.
I will say this - do not limit yourself to Klipsch subwoofers. I had a RSW-15 with my original setup, worked great. It died a few years ago, and I replaced it with a SVS PB16-Ultra sub and I am very impressed.
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That room should be well filled with sound as you illustrated. Not many of us have "ideal" rooms and we make do with what we have.
You seem to be planning that out well.
I can't comment on the receiver - though I do like Yamaha. I installed a Yahama RX V4A in my master bedroom today - to run a 3.1 system. Installation testing is positive so far - I know my RX V4A is a lot less of a receiver than the RX V6A you are looking at.
All in all - you are on the right track. With HT stuff budget is king. Then maximize what you can get for your buck.
Good luck!
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On 1/22/2021 at 2:59 PM, Majestictone said:
Wasn't having much success on this decision so I went ahead and shot for the moon and went with a SVS PB16 Ultra put this topic to bed.... It arrives this coming Monday along with a new Denon AVR-X4700H.
Whoohoo - I have that PB16 Ultra, replaced a RSW-15. Awesome choice....if you have the muscle to move a ~175lb sub 🙂
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SVS PB16 Ultra has rubber feet. Not sure how one would move the 175lb behemoth if it had spikes 🙂
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I am with @wuzzzer
I too have my fronts, center & surrounds all Klipsch. I used to have an RSW-15 Klipsch sub - performed great. However, too many Klipsch amp issues today with their subs. I would go SVS. I replaced the RSW-15 when it failed with a SVS PB16-Ultra.
Now - in an apartment. Maybe neither. You won't make any friends.
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11 hours ago, scythe944 said:
Really? Their site says this:
Specifications
Number of Power Amps 7 Power Output (8 ohm, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08% 2ch Drive) 75 W Power Output (6 ohm, 1 kHz, 0.7% 2ch Drive) 110 W Power Output (6 ohm, 1 kHz, 10% 1ch Drive) 165 W
I'm only asking because I have a similar model (Yamaha RX-A780) which seems to be rated for 110W per 2channels driven as well. I believe you only get 165W if you were to only drive one channel.
I mentioned this in my post earlier in the thread - around post #6. The subsequent post addresses some the "Why" the specs are like this.
The bottom line is all receiver manufacturers are less than clear with their specs. I think our eyes tend to see the big number and that is all we see - all marketing.
The 165W mentioned is not really applicable(obtainable) here as that spec is on a 6 Ohm load at 10%THD. OP has 8 Ohm speakers and doubt they would be happy with 10%THD. You see fast the drop-off in power when the specs you listed go from 165W to 110W - add 1 more channel at 0.7%THD. So, the big numbers are usually very misleading.
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No experience with wireless subs.
You receiver looks like it should do OK - you can't run 165W*7 as the somewhat deceptive marketing name suggests. From the Denon website:
"Denon AVR-S750H 7.2 channel full 4K Ultra HD AV receiver with 165W per channel (6 ohms, 1 kHz, THD 10%, 1ch driven)"
Note the 165W is with a 6 Ohm speaker, 10% Total Harmonic Distortion and 1 channel driven.
Additional spec from Denon:
"Power Output (8 ohm, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08% 2ch Drive)75 W" - this is more inline with what you can expect. 75W may or may not be a bit light for the speakers seeing you will be running all 7 channels.
I sure wish receiver manufacturers would clean up the way they present their receivers power.
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I opened up my RSW-15 a few years ago for an amp repair too. Amp came back, and when I reassembled it, lo and behold I left out a piece of foam.
Amp repair sounded great, could not tell the difference. Couple of years later the sub stops working again. Opened it up, a loose spade connector. I replaced the foam and bought a SVS PB16 Ultra. No looking back.
I still have the RSW15 - in its box, in my basement.
You want different bass - get a new sub. The RSW-15 did kick tail though. Not sure a piece or 2 more foam or rockwool will make a night and day difference. They are approaching 20 years old now.
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37 minutes ago, Speakerbox12 said:
I don't have room for a 2nd sub in the room. Would the 12" SPL be a logical upgrade if I could only have one?
Don't get hung up on having to have a Klipsch sub. There are better brands of subwoofer out there.
Klipsch subs have a bit of a reputation for less than reliable amplifiers.
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I have the same receiver. I only use 1 of the sub pre out an connect it to the LFE input on my sub. The receiver supports 2 subs
Did it work connected like this? The 2 sub pre-outs to one sub?
If your amp is indeed dead - either fix it or buy a new sub (I would suggest non-Klipsch).
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Outdated like this thread? 1yr + old?
Careful with Klipsch soundbars - search this forum forum for the BAR-48 - and see the issues. Klipsch make great speakers, yet I would stay away from the powered ones - s/w and bars.
I am considering a Sonos for my bedroom TV - LG CX OLED.
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Also, the subwoofers should have their own amps so will take only need a pre-amp output from your receiver. You receiver will not be providing the 200W a piece for these.
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23 hours ago, davidness said:
I have and still use my RX-Z1, it has all the HDMI I’ve ever needed (4 in, 2 out), phono input, I use it with my RF-7 complete surround system, I love it. To my thinking, it's worth every bit of $500. Cost was around $2400. I was able to use my VRD stereo tube amp as a “swap in” for the front left-right.
just be certain you get it with the Yamaha microphone and three position calibration thingee that it come with, and get the manual.
Don't get caught up in the “it doesn’t have the latest surround technology”, as you’ll always be chasing that as the manufacturers use that as a ploy to get us to constantly be buying and swapping out our gear.
That is not a RX-Z1- now you have piqued my curiosity - what is it?
https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/319808/01_om_rx-z1.pdf
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I have an RX-Z1 it has been retired for several years now. I am hesitant to part with it as I think it could be an awesome a amp one day. Not sure that day will come...
It is dated as others have said. No HDMI, no newer sound capability. But, it has the 0.015 THD ...was that with all channels drive? I do not recall. It is a beast at 60+lbs. I do believe it can only be controlled by its own remote - again, shows its age.
I also have a retired Denon 4311CI. It was replaced by my current Yamaha RX-A3060. I have to say, I prefer Yamaha over Denon. Why? I think they sound better. All subjective, I know.
I have 2x RF-7, 1x RC-7, 2x RS-7 - all original, and a SVS PB16-Ultra sub (this replaced the RSW-15 a few years ago)
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Hopefully the 600 will be better. If you search this forum there are quite a few threads with lots of folks who have issues with the BAR 48. Not packaging issues but reliability and performance issues. Maybe the universe was looking out for you when the shipper broke the BARs and wanted you to have something different. 🙂
Good luck. Let us know your thoughts when you get the 600.
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The RP-8000 should be fine. Think about a sub other than Klipsch - lots of amp issues with Klipsch subs. Checkout the subwoofer forum.
BTW - your receiver won't drive all channels at 185W. Receiver specs are confusing these days, and the differ on how they are listed between EU countries and the USA. Don't sweat this - it is a decent receiver and should serve you fine.
Specs from the US Onkyo site:
100 W/Ch (8 Ohms, 20 Hz–20 kHz, 0.08% THD, 2 Channels Driven, FTC) 225 W/Ch (6 Ohms, 1 kHz, 10% THD, 1 Channel Driven)
Specs from the EU Onkyo site:
185 W/Ch (6 Ω, 1 kHz, 10% THD, 1 channel driven), 175 W/Ch (6 Ω, 1 kHz, 1% THD, 1 channel driven, IEC)
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Klipsch subwoofers are know for their amplifier/electronic issues. Is it still under warranty? You maybe be able to get it repaired. It may or may not be cost-effective to do so.
I love their non-powered speakers but will not buy another Klipsch subwoofer, not because they don't sound good, they sound they sound great, but the electronics suck.
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I replaced my traditional BluRay player with an X-Box One X - I am glad I did. It does a good job of playing DVDs, BluRays and 4K discs. Where it totally exceeds the traditional BluRay player is in the streaming arena (Netflix, Hulu etc). Navigating these streaming apps with a bluray remote was frustrating to say the least. Much easier with the X-Box controller. And, you can play games on it. You may want to consider a console (XBox or Playstation).
As far as 4K Tvs - I bought a 85" Sony 900F a year or so ago (replaced a 10 yr old Panasonic 65" plasma). I am very impressed with this TV. However, standard DVDs (not Bluray) do not look that good on it. They look OK - not great. I do believe this is due to the amount of upscaling that takes place from standard DVD (480p) to 4k. Standard Blurays(1080p) look very good, they upscale well. It is a lot less of an ask to upscale 1080p to 4k compared to 480p to 4k. 4k discs are awesome.
That is my 2 cents - good luck.
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Yes - what @willland said
I have (have had) a very similar (albeit 5.1) setup to you. I have had RF-7,RC-7 and RS-7 for 15+years. Driven then with a Yamaha RX-Z1, Denon-4311CI and currently a Yamaha RX-A3060. I also have a SVS PB-16 Ultra sub. The A3060 can drive Atmos speakers, I am yet to buy some, would likely go with some I could place on top of the RF-7s.
Whenever replacing the AVR - I look at something that is around the same price point as my past AVRs. Newer ones obviously have updated capabilities. I still have my old AVRs - I still have a soft spot for the RX-Z1.
Look for similar power to what you currently have, with the features you want. And then go searching for the best price.
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Thanks for the replies.
Can I place the RSX on top of the RF-7 and still get the "Atmos" effect?
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I had(still have) a RSW-15, bought it new in the early 2ks, it rocked the house. Had amp issues, had it replaced, then more issues and bought a SVS-PB16Ultra. Turns out he RSW-15 still works (a spade connector had vibrated loose). I only verified the loose spade after I purchased the PB16.
In my room and my opinion, the PB16 is better but not night and day better. If I was offered "keep running your RSW-15" or "here is a PB16 for $2K" I woulda stuck with the RSW.
I do not measure the Hz and sound, I simply sit and watch movies, crank up the volume, and drink a beer or two.
IMO - Certain (older) Klipsch subs can run with the big dogs. Sad, but I will not buy another Klipsch sub. Klipsch fronts, center, sides, surrounds...all day
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If you are going to want to drive your speakers at or near max - then you are right. Get a receiver that can provide 150W per channel (5 channels looking ahead to your center and surrounds). Be prepared to spend $$$ and maybe even go down the road of a getting a separate amplifier....or two.
However, I highly doubt you will want to run these at that level. 150W would be insanely loud. I suspect most people listen to their HT setups in the 40W to 50W range (this is a guess, anyone have a better number?).
My front speakers (RF-7) are rated at 250W/100W. I drive them off of a Yamaha RX-A3060 receiver and it cannot push close to 250W (maybe 130W iirc?). This is way more than I will ever need for my HT.
Also, do not get hung up on a Klipsch subwoofer. Lots of other brands out there some better than Klipsch.
Marantz SR5012 vs Yamaha AVR AVENTAGE RX-A1070
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I have noticed that they both use Audyssey - looking at the backplane of the SR-5012 and the X3500H - they are incredibly similar. They must share a lot.
And their weights are similar -there I said it 🙂