Thanks for the great feedback one and all, about the RF-83, a un-audio related question, i know the debate between plasma and LCD has raged on for years, weather its the back levels, gaming, contrast etc, we have all read about it, but the new Samsung UN55B8500 just released has the back lit display, 2ms response time, 7mil to one contrast ratio, compare that to any plasma, not considering price, is there anything out there, plasma, lcd etc that can compare?