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Very nice. I have read that the forte iv’s sound is more like the Cornwall IV than before. I have not heard the New Forte’s but I have the Cornwalls and I love them. I use a sub, crossed over at 40Hz, so it does not do much on most material. Enjoy! Another hit by Klipsch. I’m so happy about new Heritage model updates.

Last time I experimented with moving a sub around I measured 6 dB more SPL from the corner then from a position on the wall, which I think is what the math says to expect. So that may explain the delta. Even one sub is sometimes hard to integrate, well bass is hard to get right period. Two subs will require some experimentation. I’ve tried and never gotten two subs to sound better than one, unless maybe both were one the front wall inside the mains, and even that was a maybe. Good luck experimenting. Curious, what track(s) are you listening to to judge your bass?

I must say, I like when Fido posts about photography.

Thanks Shakey. I tried Tidal, but decided for overall convenience with all my devices and situations I like Spotify's experience the best. That said, I just went back and looked at what Tidal offers these days and it looks much improved. I may take another look. Spotify at 320 is pretty good, but better yet is that Spotify is introducing Spotify HiFi (just announced) that will provide lossless like Tidal. So I'll get to lossless in a few months one way or another. R Greg Dawson

The room is 14 feet wide by about 17ft deep. The ceilings are 9 feet on one side and 12 ft on the other. That table is temporary, but has the dimensions I'm looking for in a wooden media cabinet. After days of searching I found a piece and that has been ordered. Now, I'm looking for the perfect listening chair I am currently driving the Cornwalls with a Denon AVR-X6200W. But I am considering dedicated two-channel options, such as the Benchmark AHB2 amplifier paired with some sort of Pre-amp DAC. Also considering a Hypex nCore or Purifi Eigentakt based amplifier kit that can operate in an enclosed cabinet like this, at this altitude (6500ft) and not get hot. I may use the AVR as a pre-amp for some time as well, so one step at a time. I stream all my music from Spotify, or maybe Pandora for casual background music. I use a Logitech Squeezebox to deliver the digital stream to the AVR and I have a little Surface tablet to control what I play from the chair.

The closest Certified Heritage Dealer to me that has Cornwalls to demo is Tulsa, Oklahoma - long way from Colorado Springs, CO. The first time I heard Cornwalls, I was about 24, so 36 years ago. I loved them. My brother has some original Cornwalls and raves about them still decades later. But what put me over the edge, finally, was my son, who has been overseas since going into the Air Force 10 years ago, got stationed in the US and asked me what to buy for speakers for "Home Theater" since he finally had a room for one. I advised him to get a pair of Cornwalls and not worry about multi-channel, yet. He bought the Cornwalls and just raved and raved about them. I read every review, as I have read every review of Klipsch products, but I even watched every YouTube review I could find. Steve Guttenburg and Andrew Robinson both raved about them, including the modern Heritage line's "audiophile level" qualities. Steve Guttenburg mentioned how great they sound at low and normal listening levels, too, and that they sound "large", which is what I was looking for. If you have ever listened to, say, a Jazz ensemble in a small club, from a table about 15-20 feet away, then, then that is what I mean by large sound. Anyway, I had a well formed mental idea of what I expected/hoped of them. Then I asked myself, why do I not have these yet? Well, the only room in my house that has room for them is the formal living room. You know, the room that has the nicest furniture, that you look at and take prom pictures in, but never use. It has hitherto been off limits for audio/video gear (trust me the rest of the house is full of gear). I had to dispense with that rule. I used some KLF-20's to experiment with the room. I also used some Paradigms Studio 60s. Just to see how the room would sound and experiment with how I could arrange the furniture and keep the room looking nice. After a week of this, my wife mentioned she likes music in that room. She knows me and she knows one positive word and I'm going to do it. That was all the encouragement I needed. So I made the call. Yes, I was nervous. But buying from a local dealer meant I could recover if I did not like them. They look beautiful, like nice furniture, so they actually work well in my room that has a piano and fancy white couches and glass tables. Of course the wood work is great, but also a shout out to Klipsch on the grills. Super perfect. I have not turned on the TV since they arrived. Music-only is so much fun now, especially with no TV screen involved, for some reason. I really love these things and I'm thanking my lucky stars to experience them.

Finally. Proud new owner of Cornwall IV's in American Walnut. I should have done this a long time ago. Purchased from local dealer, ListenUp. Though ListenUp is not a Certified Heritage Dealer, they sell the whole line and had them in stock. Some 30 years ago I purchased a pair of Forte II's from this dealer, from a salesman named Gary. Why I remember that, I don't know. So I called them up, on a Thursday, asked for Gary (he's still there, though higher up in the food chain, I'm sure!). "Can you have them at my house tomorrow, cuz I'm going out of town Saturday?" He told me that he had to get them from the warehouse in Denver (I'm in Colorado Springs). He guaranteed me he would get them to my house if he had to deliver them himself. Next day he shows up in he own car, a Nissan Cube or something like that. He laughed and said his car is apparently designed to perfectly fit a pair of Cornwalls. These things are truly glorious! My hopes/expectations were sky high. They have been met. This is the best sound I have ever had. Ever.

I wish I had the P17B's. I was on the fence at the time and I went for the P27s for reasons of space and a cleaner look. Absent that, I think the P-17B's would have been a better way to go. RGD

Never got the P-312W sub. I was trying to spread the costs out a little at the time and thought I would pick one up later. Later never happened. I regret that. The sub I have is and RT-D10 - also outclassed by the Palladiums, and I have on my list still to get a Palladium class sub. R Greg Dawson

Speaker Choices look good to me (side surrounds more important than rear and atmos/ceiling). I'm assuming screen will be on short wall? One piece of (humble) advice before you cut holes. Make sure you are certain about seating position first. Since you are even talking about having rear surrounds, then I'm assuming the seating position is away from rear wall (good), but how much? In similar situation, I opted for 5.1.4, that is 4 ceiling speakers and surround sides only, not rear. That said, I've wondered on 5.1.4 vs 7.1.2, but I really did not have a choice.

I have P-37F's for the front L-R, P-27C Center, P-27S for surrounds for the 5.1.x part. And for the Atmos speakers I have 4 Klipsch In-Ceiling speakers, I think CDT-3650-II. My room is not ideal, but I've done the best I can with it. I know the little ceiling speakers are way outclassed by everything else, but in practice it works fine.

Update. He bought Cornwalls, they arrived, and they are beautiful. In his words, he is "just Over the Moon" in terms of satisfaction. He is still waiting for his household goods to arrive from overseas, but he did have a very cheap, bottom of the line Denon receiver on hand. He's done minimal experimentation with positioning and toe-in, and he doesn't want to change anything because, he says, it sounds so amazing. Even though he has heard my Palladium system, I've never seen him react to sound like this. He told me that he was very pleased that the Cornwalls had certain qualities he was hoping for after listening to the Palladiums. (I intentionally did not ask which he liked better, haha) I think his Cornwalls might sound better in his room than my Palladiums do in my multi-use non-ideal room setup, anyway. He described the sound as amazing, he is hearing things he has never heard before, like how the guitar pick hits the strings, and artists taking breaths, locations, and such. He said it just sounds like the sound is coming from the whole wall, no indication there are actually two speakers there. Looks like he discovered what imaging is. Yesterday, after getting it all running, he said, "I will never forget this day." We all remember that first time we heard sound that changed the way we think about audio and made us audio nuts, aka "audiophiles". His was yesterday. We spent the evening texting each links to songs, while he played on his system in Louisiana and me on mine in Colorado. As "Dad" I fully appreciated the bonding experience this has been and will now always be. It has awakened in him a new appreciation of high fidelity music. So, now I am re-inspired. I'm planning on redoing my formal living room, which I walk past, look at, but don't use, into a "Music Room" (Piano, guitar, and 2-CH Audio). The dimensions are the same as his. I put some spare KLF-20's in there to test the concept. It is going to work well and my wife likes the idea of buying new furniture, haha. I could do Klipschorns, nicely, but I'm too afraid of that commitment. So, I'm thinking Cornwalls, also. Overall, I'm pleased as punch at the outcome. And we have a plan for multi-channel at some point down the road for movie watching. R Greg Dawson

Good points. The TV will actually be 73" wide. The picture I posted shows the TV stand wider at 87", but that has not been purchased. Realistically, the Cornwalls can be closer together, such that the width angle from the listening position can be as narrow as 57 degrees. I was chuckling to myself. He is newly married. So when he and his wife watch TV, well, they are both sitting in the sweet spot, haha. RGDawson

From the listener perspective, front wall is 14 ft wide. total front to back is almost 17 feet. The right side wall is 11 feet (cut short by doorway). Initially, will be powered with a Denon AVR-X3600, cuz that is what he has. RG Dawson

Looks like humidifier type residue, to me, but hard to tell with pictures. But I would use a damp soft cotton cloth and see if it wipes right off easily. RG Dawson

I’m posting this in the Two-Channel forum, because I’m guessing this is where people with two-channel home theaters hang out. I’m recommending a Two Channel Home Theater Solution to my son. My son is returning stateside after the last 9 years away (He’s in the Air Force). He’s now stationed at Barksdale, AFB, bought a house and has asked for advice for his movie/music room. It looks like this: I just can’t see a way to get outstanding surround sound due to obstacles in the room locating them. We discussed a few compromise solutions. We were discussing a total Klipsch Reference Premiere system. But finally, I just said, screw all this. Just get yourself a pair of Cornwall IV’s and be done with it. Nothing else I can think would be better, especially for music, and movies will still be better than anything you've ever had. (I should note that Klipsch (especially Heritage) series has a significant gravitas factor in our extended family. So getting anything else would be like showing up at the reunion in a Toyota Prius, when everyone else in the family drives American muscle cars. When I told him his uncle Jeff had Cornwalls and La Scalas, and Uncle Donny has La Scalas, he was sold. He did not want to be excluded from the man-club, haha.) I myself have a full blown 5.1.4 Klipsch Palladium system, but Klipsch doesn’t make that anymore. So he is going to go with a pair of new Cornwall’s in American Walnut. I think a pair of Cornwall’s would be better than anything else I can think of for this room. But am I giving the right advice? What do you two-channel movie/music aficionados think? RGDawson

I know this is an old post, but curious as to what you ended up doing. I have P-37's, Forte II's and KLF-20's. I could not be more delighted with my P-37's. They sound far better than anything else I have heard. I am picky about well blended bass/subwoofer performance, too. The room itself has alot to do with it, in my limited experience. I agree with those who suggest figuring out the issue you have with your P-37s, and sub in that room. In my room, I experimented alot. I moved the sub in several different positions and could never get what I wanted with the sub up front (In my room), but it sounds great in the back of the room. I moved speakers all around the house. Speakers that sound good in one place, don't work well in another, etc. I'd don't think the Forte III's could ever replace my P-37's (don't know, I have never heard the Forte III's). I'd work on the P-37s and that room. BTW, I have had great success with Audessey room correction as well.

@Chief, you are obviously a humble man. "Earned it"? Klipsch and Delgado occupy a space in my mind like Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig. You are hall of fame already. While I'm at it, let me add that Palladiums are amazing and I am very proud and grateful to have them. Whatever you have cooking, and being that it is Paul Klipsch inspired, then I hope it is named the Klipsch Delgado. I will buy any speaker named Klipsch Delgado. :-) Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Wow! I am impressed. Especially the Forte III's. Love the one with the anniversary (light) colored grill. And those 15's with the dark strip down the middle is gorgeous. I bought Forte II's new back in the day. Eventually sold them when I had just too many Klipsch speakers (yes it is possible). Then a couple years later, went back to the guy a sold them to and bought them back and gave them to my son. I'm trying to teach these millennials how to do audio right. Gave my son-in-law my KLF-20's when I bought the Palladiums. I'm just a Klipsch 3-way lover, but don't have the space for the heritage series. Have long hoped to see something like Forte again. Yeah! The other day I was reminding my son about those Forte's, "Now son, take care of those, they are special." He says, "Dad, I know. I'm a Klipsch man." Nuff said. Congratulations Klipsch, I love what you've done with the place! Very smart, very smart.

Wow, I love what you've done with the place. I can't speak to the speakers mentioned above as I have not heard them. That setup screams RF-7s to me. I love your candy/popcorn bar with the candy display, peg board, and popcorn popper. Very nicely done. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Well, I guess I should have expected this. This guy went and got his own utility pole with his own audio grade transformer. Only cost him more than $50K, but I bet he can save on power cords now. http://gizmodo.com/obsessed-audiophiles-in-japan-are-installing-their-own-1785291714

When listening to speaker, alot of what you hear is the room. Imaging is very important to me as well, but perfection here only applies to sweet spot, which is small in most homes when you are only 8-15 feet from the speakers. I heard a friend once say he liked Klipsch because, hey, "a car door shutting, sounds just like a real car door shutting, and when a cell phone goes off in the movie I am reaching for my phone." So supreme dynamics (and low distortion) are also important, especially for movie sound tracks and the room plays a role here as well. Good and controlled directivity is essential. Klipsch cares about all these factors, especially in their three-way designs. Klipsch 3-way designs are all I am interested in. Glad I finally go my Palladiums before they are gone.

I doubt it, but it is possible in the 100m. Gatlin finished only .01s behind him at the World Championships in Bejing last August. It will take a sub 9.8 and probably a personal best by Gatlin, say 9.75, and even then, Bolt is might go faster. I think it will be within .05, so any slip by Bolt and he can lose. 200m? Nope.

The ice cream analogy is actually a good one to use here. There is a lot happening by the time the signal is converted into into the part of the brain that actually decides what it hears, and no you can't really always trust your ears or your brain to be 100% consistent over time, even a short time. That same ice cream I liked last night may taste alot different in the morning and nothing has changed in the ice cream. The taste may be perceived differently, depending on the mood I am in, how hungry I am, and what I am hungry for. Nothing changed, yet today I may not enjoy it like I did yesterday. It may not taste like it did yesterday because my chemistry is always fluctuating. Same with music. 110 volts at 60Hz power from the wall gets so filtered and converted by the power supply anyway. I know there is fluctuation in my hearing and perception (like my taste), based on so many things - mood, fatigue, what I have been listening too previously, for how long, for how loud, placebo effect (which is real), etc. Your ears and brain adjust constantly. I know that is going on, so to ignore it and attribute my changing perception to the power cord seems to be ignoring what is really going on, which is that our perception changes and adjusts constantly. This is why measurement is important, because when we get to this level of nuance where we are talking in terms of "...instrumental color saturation and texture, and seeming expansions of dynamic shadings and tactile expressiveness ", and we can't measure it, we are often in the realm of perception.

Long time Logitech Squeezebox user. I have about 5 squeezebox duets and I have replaced most of them with Raspberry Pi 2 and 3's. I control them with iPeng software on my iPhones and iPads, occasionally a web interface or the Squeezebox controllers. I used a raspberry pi image called Max2Play, which makes it super easy. The Pi's sync properly with other Pi's or squeezeboxes. This approach generally requires you to create an account on Logitech and have Logitech Media Server running on your home network. This can be a NAS or a home server, or the Pi itself and with Max2Play it is as simple as a few clicks on the Pi. One advantage the Pi's have over the SqueezeBox Duets is that the Pi's have an HDMI out. So you can plug that into your receiver and even get video of what you are listening to. The only disadvantage of the Pi's is that I have to re-boot them every so often (~2 weeks) (annoying), especially when my wife calls me at work and says "it's not working". I love using the Raspberry Pi this way and I just bought a couple more yesterday to finish off my conversion and set up a system for my daughter. I use mine to listen to Spotify, Pandora, Podcasts, radio stations, and music stored on my server. You need paid versions of Pandora and Spotify. I used to subscribe to Tidal for lossless streaming so that works too. Using the HDMI out obviates the need of a DAC for me as I am pushing the raw digital into the receiver over HDMI. It's really awesome.