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  1. Hi Bleeding, Since you have somewhat the same setup as I do, I feel pushed to help u. My late response was due the fact that I was in two minds whether to replace the reciever or add an external amp (NAD 275BEE) to the current setup. So, finally i went the cheaper way. I somehow managed to dispose off Yamaha RX-V3900 at a good price, added a lil more money, and got Onkyo TX-NR809. Performance Review AUDIO: Fantastic......rxv-3900 does not have enough on-demand current especially when the impedence drops. Onyko blows yammy outa the water in terms of power with 5 channels driven though rated at 135 wpc, which is less than yammy (140 wpc). Mind you, I was only running 3 channels on yammy and surrounds were outsourced to external amp. With Onkyo, I am running full 5.1 setup without external amp. Stereo + Movies, both are FANTASTIC. Channel seperation and listener encapsulation also are nothing less than tremendous. In my earlier post I was cursing Klipsch RF-82 II for not being detailed, I take it back. Yammy was the culprit. Klipsch rocks. VIDEO: Awsome.....video chipset on onkyo is far superior to the same on yammy. Just set the upscaling to 1080p and enjoy tons better video quality of onkyo. Overall: I was a big fan of yamaha for quite some time and this is my first Onkyo. Onkyo all the way it is. Yammies are extremely misleading on their specs. Although onkyo is only a tad over yammy in terms of weight, but it shows onkyo has a heavier power supply meaning thereby HIGH CURRENT. You don't need an external amp in 5.1 setup, at least. And trust me I am not a guy to settle for anything less, when it comes to attention to detail. Also, this onkyo x09 series recievers run fairly cool and do not get hot. My advice to you is to do away with yammy and go for onkyo. But i also reckon you audition onkyo before pulling the trigger. As far as I am concerned, I am extremely happy with Onkyo and now feel the bass in my gutts both in movies and stereo listening. One more thing.....AUDYSSEY is far superior to YPAO. I hope it helps.....
  2. No offence, but I have practically experimented it. My RF-82 II sound fantastic on movies and better than before on stereo by moving the surrounds to an outboard amp, I still feel RF-82 II are underpowered. Even with 3 channels driven, Yamaha RX-V3900 is not pumping out more than maximum 120 watts per channel. Which means, these speakers are NOT efficient at all but, at the same time, they really are fantastic speakers for movies, at least. Both Yamaha and Klipsch specs are misleading on their own. Having said all that, I reckon adding a 170-200 wpc external amp like NAD, Emotiva, Rotel, etc and people here will be surprised how tremendous these speakers are. My advice to everybody on the forum is that no matter which gear you spend your hard-earned money on, DO NOT go on the advertised specs. God knows which environment the manufacturers test their speakers in, but the real end-user's rooms are anything and everything but ideal. All those specs jump out of the window when a speaker has to go into a carpeted bedroom, with a bed, drapes, a dressing table, a couch, and a 6'x4' alley (btw that's the description of MY ROOM). So, all those specs in real world do not hold. Overall ..... Yamaha RX-V3900 is fantastic but with only 80 watts speakers set if all channels are driven. 140 wpc on its specs sheet is extremely over-stated. Klipsch RF-82 II are NOT efficient, but with 170-200 wpc external amp they are mind blowing and nothing less than extra ordinary coz they draw more current which RX-V3900, sorry to say, cannot offer with 5 channels driven, although it is a 7 channel AVR. I am only running 3 channels
  3. Bleeding......since we both are in the same predicament, I give you honest, straight, and a bit painful verdict on RX-V3900 and Klipsch RF-82 II.....add an outboard amplifier. There is no way you can get the sort of performance RF-82 II are capable of with this receiver. It is way way way underpowered. Also, note that RF-82 II are NOT, i repeat, they are NOT at all efficient speakers. They do require some serious power boost to perform to their best. Here's what I did.....I bought a 1987 model brand new Sansui B-1000 (75 wpc) stereo power amp. I added it to my system. I am running my surrounds (RF-52 II 100 wpc) of it. This freed up more power for the fronts. Result : Fantastic for movies, better for stereo music ..... with the new available power, but still I believe yammy is nowhere near the advertised 140 wpc. You do require an outboard amp. Get some good 170-200 wpc 2-channel amp. Look into Emotiva XPA-2 or Rotel 1582. I will save up some money for Rotel 1582, coz that is easily available in this part of the world from an authoroised dealer. Good luck.
  4. I have a vintage seperates Technics cassette deck. It's biting dust in the store. I want to take the amp (Technics SE-9021 60 wpc @8 ohms)out of the rig and use it as external amp to power the mains. The amp is in perfect working condition and original shape. I was thinking of buying external amp, but thought why not give this a shot. Coz if it works, it will save me a lot of money. Any thoughts on whether it would work???
  5. I've recalibrated my system, switched off all PEQ on all channels. I watch movies using Straight setting on the avr, so that yammy has no influence whatsoever on the input signal and it outputs purest feed to all the speakers without colouring. Did I notice improvement? ...... YES. Channel seperation and subtle effects are pronounced. Does yammy have enough power to drive RF-82 II in 5.1 setup? ..... Big NOOOOO. I say that coz the response is still anaemic and I need to dial in volume to the same level (-10db i.e. 70 db). I would normally listen at -15db or -20db on my old crappy yamaha speakers and I have to dial in the same volume level with Klipsch. So, it clearly shows either the speakers are not efficient at all OR I bet RX-V3900 does not have enough juice to drive them. I guess 60-80 watts average output on avr is still over-stated and actually it's below that even. So, one phrase...... RX-V3900 is hugely over praised and priced coz the cost to benefit ratio doesn't justify the price. (Just my opinion) I think I will need to add outboard amp to get full performance from RF-82 II. I sure will wait for the speakers to break in.
  6. Yes.....simply put; no clarity at all. Everything mixed up sort of like an anaemic and strangulated response
  7. I get your point. My listening position is about 10 feet from the speakers. Anyway, I will try every option to save me some extra bucks. Will only venture into seperate amp if nothing works. Thanx anyway for sharing the tips.... One more thing, do you think cable oxidation over time can impede clean signal feed to speakers from AVR causing degraded sound? I'm using 12 gauge cable for all speakers, but the ends have become oxidized over the course of 2 years.
  8. I did ran YPAO, but I only use it for getting the distance setting, rest I just ignore e.g. level setting, parametric eq, etc. Coz YPAO sets levels to +3 on fronts including center and arnd +2 on surrounds. My mains are 6 feet apart towed in toward the sweet spot and also the surrounds are equidistant from the listening position. But i've also saved unaltered YPAO settings in memory to compare with my own for test purposes, but no significant difference in terms of SQ. Then I manually calibrate my system to 70 db using avr internal test tones keeping the volume where it shows at -10db on the screen. Coz that way I am able to set the speaker levels +/- 1db from the center position including the sub in order to not strain the avr. I always keep sub 4-5 db hotter and calibrate it to a house curve with approximately 5db slope per octave from 100 Hz down to 28 hz and a gentle rolloff, which is pretty impressive for SUB-12. I set the crossover on avr to 90hz and bypass the same on the sub. Also, I am using BFD 1124p to tame the sub.
  9. Here's my expereince with RF-62 II and RF-82 II. Go through another thread opened by me with following heading. I updated it this afternoon. Help with RF-62 II Yeah I experimented and failed miserably. I thot may be RF-62 II (125 Watts) were being over-powered by my receiver yamaha rxv-3900 (150 wpc) for which I paid US$ 1200 brand new. So, I wasn't accepting that my monster receiver had something to do with crappy response of RF-62 II. I instead returned them and got the higher end RF-82 II (150 Watts), and to my surprise they also sound exactly the same way. I am no amature and know very well that all the hookups and settings are dead on. So, that's what I have concluded after wasting close to US$ 2400 on Klipsch Reference Series speakers (RF-82 II, RS-52 II, RC-62 II) though RC-62 II (Thinking of cancelling the order) is still on its way; Either Klipsch RF-82 II are extremely over-rated OR there is a terrible mismatch between Klipsch Speakers and Yamaha RX-V3900. This particular receiver is rated at 140 wpc, whereas it pumps out between 60 to 80 watts all channels driven. That means Yamaha, of which I was the biggest fan, is grossly misleading customers. But having said, experimented, and painfully experienced all that, Klipsch speakers are claimed to be very efficient. That claim is grossly misleading as well coz even 60 wpc should be enough to drive them to their potential, but they refuse to sound as claimed. It's like a huge ball of muddy, mushy, muffled, strangulated, mixed up response (sort of like a bowl of swirled up noodles), with zero imaging and music detail. I had to literally switch on the processor in my head to tell which sound came out of what. These speakers are terrible as of now. I am hugely disappointed with the Yammy / Klipsch combo. Sorry but that's more than my 2 cents down the drain for no gain but tonnes of pain. Yeah I experimented and failed miserably. I thot may be RF-62 II (125 Watts) were being over-powered by my receiver yamaha rxv-3900 (150 wpc) for which I paid US$ 1200 brand new. So, I wasn't accepting that my monster receiver had something to do with crappy response of RF-62 II. I rather returned them and got the higher end RF-82 II (150 Watts) instead, and to my surprise they also sound exactly the same way. I am no amature and know very well that all the hookups and settings are dead on. So, that's what I have concluded after wasting close to US$ 2400 on Klipsch Reference Series speakers (RF-82 II, RS-52 II, RC-62 II) though RC-62 II (Thinking of cancelling the order) is still on its way; Either Klipsch RF-82 II are extremely over-rated OR there is a terrible mismatch between Klipsch Speakers and Yamaha RX-V3900. This particular receiver is rated at 140 wpc, whereas it pumps out between 60 to 80 watts all channels driven. That means Yamaha, of which I was the biggest fan, is grossly misleading customers. But having said, experimented, and painfully experienced all that, Klipsch speakers are claimed to be very efficient. That claim is grossly misleading as well coz even 60 wpc should be enough to drive them to their potential, but they refuse to sound as claimed. It's like a huge ball of muddy, mushy, muffled, strangulated, mixed up response (sort of like a bowl of swirled up noodles), with zero imaging and music detail. I had to literally switch on the processor in my head to tell which sound came out of what. These speakers are terrible as of now. I am hugely disappointed with the Yammy / Klipsch combo. Sorry but that's more than my 2 cents down the drain for no gain but tonnes of pain.
  10. Yeah I experimented and failed miserably. I thot may be RF-62 II (125 Watts) were being over-powered by my receiver yamaha rxv-3900 (150 wpc) for which I paid US$ 1200 brand new. So, I wasn't accepting that my monster receiver had something to do with crappy response of RF-62 II. I rather returned them and got the higher end RF-82 II (150 Watts) instead, and to my surprise they also sound exactly the same way. I am no amature and know very well that all the hookups and settings are dead on. So, that's what I have concluded after wasting close to US$ 2400 on Klipsch Reference Series speakers (RF-82 II, RS-52 II, RC-62 II) though RC-62 II (Thinking of cancelling the order) is still on its way; Either Klipsch RF-82 II are extremely over-rated OR there is a terrible mismatch between Klipsch Speakers and Yamaha RX-V3900. This particular receiver is rated at 140 wpc, whereas it pumps out between 60 to 80 watts all channels driven. That means Yamaha, of which I was the biggest fan, is grossly misleading customers. But having said, experimented, and painfully experienced all that, Klipsch speakers are claimed to be very efficient. That claim is grossly misleading as well coz even 60 wpc should be enough to drive them to their potential, but they refuse to sound as claimed. It's like a huge ball of muddy, mushy, muffled, strangulated, mixed up response (sort of like a bowl of swirled up noodles), with zero imaging and music detail. I had to literally switch on the processor in my head to tell which sound came out of what. These speakers are terrible as of now. I am hugely disappointed with the Yammy / Klipsch combo. Sorry but that's more than my 2 cents down the drain for no gain but tonnes of pain.
  11. Hi....lemme chime in. This makes two of us facing the same problem. My setup matches yours somewhat i.e. RF-62 II, RC-62 II, RS-52 II, SUB-12, Behringer Feedback Destroyer Pro1124p for taming the sub, AND Yamaha RX-V3900. I am using 12 guage top quality cables for all speakers and Chord Crimson Plus cable for the sub. I've been having the same problem with my system since I went Klipsch route about a week ago. It sounds very muffled with no detail and dynamic range both in music and movies. I think RX-V3900 is a complete mismatch with this setup. Like you, I also tried every possible tinkering with the receiver with speaker size and bass managemnet settings, but ended up with nothing. Yammy RX-V3900, though rated 140 wpc @ 8 ohms, serves not more than 60-80 wpc all channels driven. But at the same time, even this wattage is enough to drive Klipsch as they are very efficient speakers. So, keeping this thing in mind I returned RF-62 II and ordered RF-82 II instead and hope it will solve my problem. Coz on this forum I read somebody running RF-7 off RX-V3900 and he is all praise about the receiver. One thing ..... try "Pure Direct" mode on yamaha. It will shut down all the internal circuitry on avr and send full signal to your two mains. And trust me you will be surprised at how your RF-82 II will sound. I did that on my RF-62 II and they showed their full range in stereo, which was nothing less than FANTASTIC. OR alternatively, use the pre-outs of your AVR and use a dedicated outboard amp for the mains. By the way, I am worried now coz I have ordered RF-82 II and paid the money for them also and reading your thread here makes me wonder I probably have made a mistake . Nonetheless, I will take the plunge and if God forbid problem still persists, I will add a dedicated amp. Cost is soaring grdually but I have no other option.
  12. I've read on different other forums people running Klipsch RF-62s and 82s off Yamaha, which are lower in specs compared to RX-V3900 and they are all praise about the speakers/avr combo. I don't know what's happening here....
  13. I think I pinned so much on RF-62s and I think they are not capable enough to offer the kind of sound I was hoping for. They sound strangulated. I think I am gona add a couple of hundred more $$ and go for either RF-82 or RF-82 II. Compared to RF62 II, do RF82s offer better sound? Also, is there any sonic benefit if I go for RF-82 II instead of simple RF-82??? Pls do not compare RF-82s with other better models of Klipsch like RF-7s and all. Any advice, anyone??
  14. Nopes I calibrated my system to flat reposnse at 70db and my normal listening is -10 db below reference level. Very seldom I crank it to reference level. In bass management section, I set all the speakers to small and crossed them at 90hz. Also, I am redirecting the bass output to subwoofer only and not "Sub+Mains". I've tried setting the mains to Large and routed the bass to mains, but the response is anaemic and strangulated. The tweeters are working n so are the mid-ranges. I know there is nothing wrong with the hook up. Coz I gave a reset to avr twice and recalibrated everything but to no avail. What to do??
  15. No offence, but I think you are way off here. RF-62 II and um sure RF-82s also have a copper shorting strip attached to the binding posts connecting both the positive terminals and negative terminals in order for them to drive tweeter and mid-range should you chose not to bi-amp. So, essentially one can use any +/- pair whether top one or bottom as long as the shorting strip is in place. I may also be wrong here....but some expert can correct us
  16. I guess you are right on that account. But Klipsch claims their speakers are very efficient and do not require much power to perform to their fullest. My AVR has bi-amping option. The Front Presence speakers coutput can be used to bi-amp the mains. Can this resolve my issue?? Also, I've checked on other forums people are using normal receivers with RF-62s and they are all praise for them. Mine is a high-end model, so it should power them substantially considering they are highly efficient speakers.
  17. I don't think that's the reason coz Yamaha RX-V3900 has 140 Watts per channel at 8 ohms and RF-62 II has 125W RMS / 500W Peak output. So, I think wattage is pretty much balanced. Any other thoughts.....???
  18. I recently replaced my existing crappy yamaha 5 channel speakers with RF-62 II, RC-62 II, and RS-52 II (bought brand new from authorized Klipsch dealer). I am using Yamaha RX-V3900 and Klipsch SUB-12 in the setup. Bought the new reference speakers purely based on the reviews flying around over the internet.I chose them because I like "V" setting on equalizer since high school days i.e. high bass and high treble. And reviews suggested that Klipsch had a distinct bright sound with crystal clear highs and strong mids; some branded them harsh. But I like that kind of sound. Anyway, to cut the preamble short........they sound exactly the opposite with no crispness at all. In fact, they sound too melow and warm. Even the bass is very weak without the sub kicking in at 90 hz. I've tried setting them to large and diverted the bass to mains, but to no avail. Even my old crappy yammies have better highs. I am sure Klipsch Reference series speakers sound as claimed, but I am in a fix now after spending close to US$ 2100 and the kind of sound I am getting is nowhere close to what the reviews suggest. Am I doing anything wrong here??? Pls advise.
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