Kevin S

1964, Washington D.C.

Sorry, I have no idea.

Craig Frost

How far you have to turn up the master volume control will also be affected by where the level control for each individual speaker has been set, either by you or an automatic setup program.

The LFE channel is a completely independent channel and acts independently of your subwoofer crossover settings in your AVR. The LFE setting on the AVR sends the content of the LFE channel to your subwoofer based on the frequency you have it set at regardless of and independently of your subwoofer crossover. The LFE channel can have content up to 120hz. That is why it should be set at 120hz. Setting it lower potentially "throws away" LFE channel content.

Moving the sub crossover higher actually does the opposite, makes the subs work more, the towers less. The bass below the crossover is moved to the subs. And the LPF for LPE setting in the AVR should always be set to 120hz. I believe you were linked to an article earlier that explains why.

The better way would be to set the fronts to small, and leave the crossover at 40hz. That should turn on the subs. LFE+main is not recommended by Audyssey, as it tends to make the bass boomy. Dynamic EQ acts as an automatic loudness control, keeping the bass in balance at the lower volume levels where your ears are less sensitive to bass. It automatically decreases as you increase the volume. When I use Audyssey, I find it helpful.

The last Cornwalls I heard were the new ones I owned in around 1981 or 1982, and the Heresy II's I owned were around 2000, 2001, so I cannot give you a direct comparison. But I will tell you that my Heresy III's, with the new woofer, titanium diapragms and the tractrix tweeter horn sound great to my ears. Better than I recall the other two sounding. More detail, higher highs with no fatigue, tight, tuneful bass. My Heresy's with wall/floor placement get down into the mid 40's in my 20 X 23 ft. room. All of this is just a prelude to me saying not to dismiss them or to assume a vintage Cornwall will sound "better". The Heresy III's may fill the bill for you nicely.

Sorry, I haven't re-read this whole thread. So this may be redundant. But you have tried adjusting toe in? And does your set up have a simple treble tone control that you have tried. Or a combination of both?

Glad you found the source of the problem. Now you can dial in placement and toe in and you should be good to go. Keep in mind that they are designed for floor, corner/wall, and toed in placement to start with. Good luck!

In response to the first quote, the question was asked in the second quote. I found it to be a simple and straightforward question.

+1 In my opinion, the simple straightforward question put forth deserved a simple straightforward answer, or if it was deemed somehow inappropriate, a clear explanation as to why it was considered so, or no answer at all. Not the nonsense that came after.

According to Audyssey, this can be caused by a couple of things, including the speakers being designed to have a driver out of phase by design. If the speaker is wired properly at both ends, it can be skipped and has no impact on the room correction process.

Perhaps some photos of the room setup, connections between components, control settings and such would be helpful with attempting a remote diagnosis?

My Heresy III's definitely do not sound as you describe. Are the metal jumpers connecting the low frequency and high frequency binding posts attached properly?

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IMO, an AVR is the only way to get the features and versatility you desire. Pay attention to the power supply of the AVR you are interested in. Look for multiple transformers, one for each of the audio, video and digital sections of the AVR. With a good power supply there is no reason an AVR should not prove satisfactory. Mine is.

I think Klipsch gets to decide what is categorized as Heritage, for better or worse. Ford got to call the Mustang II a Mustang. And sold a zillion of them. Mission accomplished.

Question for the Chief Bonehead. I have to admit to being a bit confused. The Heresy, Cornwall and LaScala have all been updated in one way or another, and the Klipschorn has occasionally gotten it's bass bin enclosed for special editions, all presumably with your input and direction. Yet I understand completely when you talk about your reluctance to change any of PWK's original designs out of your respect and admiration for the man. What in your mind is the dividing line that you are unwilling to cross? Or am I wrong about your involvement in the updates I mentioned?

Thank goodness. I would want two, and don't have the money. Now I won't have to feel bad about missing out on the deal!

I went to the link. I think PWK would completely disagree with sentence number 1, rule number 1. So I stopped there. So much for standard audio dynamics. LOL! OP, welcome to the forum, don't take any of the "advice" personally, but do test out and apply what you find useful to your situation and personal tastes. I hope you enjoy your new setup!

OK, I have to pull your chain a bit and defend my statement. PWK found Heresy's inadequate for center channel duty between two Klipschorns and designed the Cornwall. Then upgraded himself to the Belle when he designed that. So, as for a soundbar? Hopefully purchasers of the new Forte's will keep that tidbit of information in mind if contemplating a compatible center channel speaker. But actually, if you're happy with your soundbars, that's what matters.

Why thank you. I have my moments!

Where do I run my tone controls? Wherever I feel like it. They are mine after all! But generally off. I really try to tweak speaker positioning, sub levels and crossover points first. I will use them for very low level listening, Fletcher/Munson effect and all.

I applaud Klipsch for reintroducing the Forte III's, especially in an era of soundbars. As I sit here enjoying my Heresy III's, which I understand the Chief Bonehead was involved in updating, with the "wimpy" horns, "no bass", "wrong" capacitors and whatever other flaws the experts on the forum have annointed them with, I am especially happy to hear he was involved with the Forte III. Hopefully they will have even more "flaws" than my Heresy's and be a huge success!