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Metal feet pics
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So they are pulling everything from there retail stores.
http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/velodyne-fires-reps-sells-direct-online
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This entire read is confusing. It's basically suggesting the opposite of what this forum usually suggests for crossover/bass management settings. 99% of the replies I normally read go something like "THX spec is 80hz. Set it to that and leave the Sub's crossover wide open"
Could explain a little further, or perhaps clarify ? I read it over and just don't "get" it.Most
systems will probably sound better with the sub as a crutch. THX recommendation
is from what would be best for the norm. Because it would be imposable to give
a recommendation for every speaker/amp/room /sub combination they give one recommendation
that would work pretty good in every set up and is probably the optimal set up
for the average ht set up. What they would consider average would be (I read this
a long time ago so I’m guessing a little on this part) 5/7 identical large to
small bookshelf type speakers and a sub. Set up with an avr powering the 5/7
speakers and a separate amp powering the sub. There are many deficiencies in
that set up that can be improved by running everything at 80 Hz (save power and
not over work the speakers). By adding power and using higher level speakers
the need to use the sub as a crutch decreases a lot. You can still set
everything at 80 hz and it will sound great. But you have other options
depending on your ht set up. I know that most people will probably say 80 Hz
but that’s mostly because most of the recommendations they read say that for
all the reasons I gave above. 80 hz is a great staring point if someone’s not
sure, and would be a good setting if someone doesn’t want to tinker too much. But
every set up is different and will sound different so 80 hz isn’t the bible it’s
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dont remember what magazine it was, but i did read it because it struck me odd that there was not a slope on the bass roll off, so do you think that the sub crossover point on SACD/DVD/BR 5.1 signals should always be 120hz as not to lose ANY bass info? (with the .1 being a discreet channel)
Any 5.1 I would recommend the lfe to 120 Hz or no crossover (same).
If you set it lower then 120 you can end up with a small hole in the lfe
content. Example: you set the sub to 80 Hz; you would have a hole from 80-120
Hz. One could easily argue that the hole is so small it wouldn’t matter I guess.
However if you add content (more than just lfe) to your sub by setting your
speakers to small you might have to run it lower than 120. I’m always trying to
think of best way to explain this. The part I think that gets overlooked with
setting speakers to small is this. If each channel (5.1) was a river of water all
flowing with just their channels content (everything is set to large). The sub
only gets the .5 channel of content and nothing else. By setting speakers to
small you redirect the filtered content to the subs channel (river). When you
do it to all the channels what you can end up with is a waterfall of bass
content sent just to the sub on top of the lfe content. With a waterfall of
bass content coming from every channel you almost have to set the sub to a
lower crossover point or the sub will just rattle the house and not sound
smooth and deep. But if the sub is only running the lfe content and not bass
from the other speakers then setting a sub to 120 hz will sound great. 120 hz
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Could use some input... im pretty sure that the L.F.E. / .1 channel of both D.V.D. and blue-ray are from 10hz or so up to 120hz where it hits a brick wall, no 121hz signal at all. so it is best to run the sub crossover at 120hz or by-pass it. Question is about SACD multichannel 5.1 discs... does the same 120hz "brickwall" cut off apply and it is best to run the sub as above, OR does the receivers crossover points set up for small speakers (in my case 60hz) do the bass management? I guess a better way to say it is ... are ALL .1 L.F.E. signals 120hz and below, reguardless the source.... D.V.D. / BRD / SACD?
I was always under the understanding that it was 20-120 Hz. From
my understanding they do put filters on both sides but no filter is 100% full
proof so there is always a roll off. Where
did you hear that it was a brick wall at 120 Hz? -
If you put the spikes on them it will left them up so the
black and gold on the feet will show. Hard to compare when they are below the
carpet.
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I get cable thru the wall with no cable box, so i only get stereo sound. So it just sound ok with my RF7's
If you have an optical output on your tv you could run that
to your avr. Then on hd channels you will get dolby 5.1 on your local hd
channels.
Not on most TV's. The majority of TV's with an optical output will still only output stereo...
I would disagree I had cheap cable that used no box just ran
from the wall. The tv I used was a cheap $500 37” vizio tv. On all the hd local
channels like 2.1, 4.1, 5.1, and 11.1 the optical out gave 5.1. This works with
just an hd antenna as well. Have a friend with a cheap Sony 40” with just an hd
antenna, and he gets 5.1 same with the optical output.
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Very nice how does it sound so far?
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Youthman... I was referring to this post by reference head. To be fair I have apologized twice in a thread in which I have been accused of being a hitler fan and Having 2 accounts
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Ok if that's true the how would an rf7 sound better than the rc64 as a center channel ?
But please someone tell me why klipsch uses a tapered array crossover in the 64 if an rf 7 single crossover would sound better?
Klipsch went to a tapered array design(2.5 way) to eliminate the comb filtering that can occur with horizontally imposed speakers. Here is a few threads that explain things a bit.
http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/78827/782136.aspx#782136
http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/131169/1326871.aspx#1326871
Why did klipsch go away from the two 8 inch drivers for a center channel (rc7) for a wider 4 driver setup with 2 cross points?
I believe a 6.5 inch driver will produce better midrange frequencies than an 8 inch especially with dialog which is a center channels main function.
Bill
I love a good debate as much as anyone. But I think we are just
beating a dead horse at this point. Music like movies both have voices it’s no different.
And Jason I really feel you’re arguing just argue at this point. No offence but
you almost sound like people that argue that hitler was a some kind of genius
and not a mad man when you take some of these sides.
A Hitler reference! Ladies and Gentlemen...The Klipsch Forums!!!! Lol...
Lol I only meant he almost always takes the side against the
norm. Hope I didn’t offend anyone.
I know it’s harder to pick up on when reading but in all
fairness my comment did say ALMOST like people that would argue that. Never did
I say you liked or was a fan of hitler. I agree it was a poor choice of words
but I was just being sarcastic, and I’m pretty sure you knew what I meant and
are just trying to turn it into something it wasn’t. I’m guessing everyone who
read it understood me and picked up on the sarcasm. (If you really didn’t then I do sincerely
apologize)
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Well for starters, he has much nicer gear than me...so, no.Brunt/JasonJC,
Okay, so I've got a question: Are you the same person? I say yes!
It was hard to tell from your profile...Klipsch front and polk surrounds...both of you have a cheesy photo in your profile. General agreement on topics of inerest, JJC giving "credentials" to a new forum member and then asking for his opinion...
General entertainment value gets a thumbs up!
Future Credability: DENIED!
+1
I’m still trying to figure out if the” Sylvania 19" CRT
TV (Cinevision model with upgraded board)” is real or some kind of inside joke?
I’m the only one?
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Is it worth the $1300 upgrade? i am currenly using
A martin logan montage and cinema but recently heard
a ksf at friends house and was blown away by
the sound.What does ksf stand for?
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I get cable thru the wall with no cable box, so i only get stereo sound. So it just sound ok with my RF7's
If you have an optical output on your tv you could run that
to your avr. Then on hd channels you will get dolby 5.1 on your local hd
channels.
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Brunt/JasonJC,
Okay, so I've got a question: Are you the same person? I say yes!
Lmao corn I never thought of that you could be right.
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Ok if that's true the how would an rf7 sound better than the rc64 as a center channel ?
But please someone tell me why klipsch uses a tapered array crossover in the 64 if an rf 7 single crossover would sound better?
Klipsch went to a tapered array design(2.5 way) to eliminate the comb filtering that can occur with horizontally imposed speakers. Here is a few threads that explain things a bit.
http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/78827/782136.aspx#782136
http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/131169/1326871.aspx#1326871
Why did klipsch go away from the two 8 inch drivers for a center channel (rc7) for a wider 4 driver setup with 2 cross points?
I believe a 6.5 inch driver will produce better midrange frequencies than an 8 inch especially with dialog which is a center channels main function.
Bill
I love a good debate as much as anyone. But I think we are just
beating a dead horse at this point. Music like movies both have voices it’s no different.
And Jason I really feel you’re arguing just argue at this point. No offence but
you almost sound like people that argue that hitler was a some kind of genius
and not a mad man when you take some of these sides.
A Hitler reference! Ladies and Gentlemen...The Klipsch Forums!!!! Lol...
Lol I only meant he almost always takes the side against the
norm. Hope I didn’t offend anyone.
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Never use my tv speakers
You’re using hdmi with hd cable?
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Ok if that's true the how would an rf7 sound better than the rc64 as a center channel ?
I do think when the L-C-R speakers are exactly the same and set at the same crossover point and amplified the same, it has to sound better. The front soundstage would be as completely seamless as possible. As seamless as I want to think my front soundstage is(RF-63---RC-64---RF-63), three RF-63's will blend better, just not logistically practical in my space.
Bill
I think with the old 64 and the rf-63 its going to be pretty
close. All the same drivers and the boxes are closer to size then say the rf-82
and the rc-62. But you’re right it would be a perfect match. It’s just impractical
in about 95% of rooms. If they didn’t make centers the way they do people would
be running 4.1 systems. And just running the fronts as a ghost center. (That’s what
I would do)
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Ok if that's true the how would an rf7 sound better than the rc64 as a center channel ?
But please someone tell me why klipsch uses a tapered array crossover in the 64 if an rf 7 single crossover would sound better?
Klipsch went to a tapered array design(2.5 way) to eliminate the comb filtering that can occur with horizontally imposed speakers. Here is a few threads that explain things a bit.
http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/78827/782136.aspx#782136
http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/131169/1326871.aspx#1326871
Why did klipsch go away from the two 8 inch drivers for a center channel (rc7) for a wider 4 driver setup with 2 cross points?
I believe a 6.5 inch driver will produce better midrange frequencies than an 8 inch especially with dialog which is a center channels main function.
Bill
I love a good debate as much as anyone. But I think we are just
beating a dead horse at this point. Music like movies both have voices it’s no different.
And Jason I really feel you’re arguing just argue at this point. No offence but
you almost sound like people that argue that hitler was a some kind of genius
and not a mad man when you take some of these sides. [6]
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Would I benefit from another RF-7II for a center in place of
the RC64II. I now have a yamaha RX-Z11 with RF-7II'S for front and surrounds an RC-64II for a center
KSP-S6's for rear (7.1) and KSP-S6's for front fill. Would it be worht my
time to add an external power amp or amps to the 4 RF'S and the center and would I get the
hiss?Also Do you ever get hiss when you hookup external amps, the reason I ask is
I have a yamaha dsp-a1 that I hooked up an external decoder using the
back two surounds to add a rear speaker and had to use 3 ma-500's to
drive them and I would get the dreaded hiss sound.
When I first got my emo amp I got super bad hiss and noise
that I could hear from my lp 12’ away. When I called them they were actually
pretty rude about it and blamed my speakers. I was going to send the amp back but before I did
I tried running a long cord and used a different wall outlet and the noise went
away(lol I wish they would have just told me that instead of blaming my
speakers). I still get hiss though but can only hear it if I get about a foot
away. But its clean hiss and not noisy. I never heard hiss from my avr when it
sat in idle. They told me emo amps have a floor gain of about 40db so that’s the
hiss I hear. It is one of the disadvantages of having super high sensitive speakers.
They don’t hide anything good or bad.
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Is it worth the $1300 upgrade? i am currenly using
A martin logan montage and cinema but recently heard
a ksf at friends house and was blown away by
the sound.I’m obviously biased but I have owned both so I’ll give my
opinion. The rf-82ii is going to be more than enough for 95% of people, and are
amazing ht speakers. Value is tricky because everyone is different how they
would spend their money. There is always a better deal or better value around
the corner. So imo get what you want and can afford. Then find the best price
you can get on it. Also try not to worry too much if there might be a better
dollar value out there because I can tell you right now there always will be.
If your cool buying used then willand is right you can get something close to
the rf-7ii for the cost of the rf-82ii new.
subwoofer crossover hz / L.F.E. signals
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You can always tinker with different settings and find what
sounds best. Because you don’t have a power amp it might be good to keep all
your speakers at small to conserve the power you have. But by all means try setting
your fronts to large and leave everything else the way it is. Don’t just pop in
a blu ray and listen for 5min though. Live with it for a few weeks. And see how
you like it. Me personally I like how the subs sound when only handling lfe
content. For my ears when I start flooding more bass content to the subs from
other channels on top of the lfe channel that’s already being sent to the sub. To
me the subs start sounding really muddy. Keep in mind I have 3 subs so I’m not
trying to get extra bass from my other speakers. I’m trying to limit the bass content
sent to my subs without having a hole in the lfe by crossing over the subs under
120. Do you like how your sub sounds right now?