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i know it's pointless trivia, but i have the older sibling to this pair, i have 1B866 as half of my mismatched pair.

I'm very sorry to inform you, but there is a strict "One Pair" CF-4 rule. you may have any number of the small sizes, up to 5 CF-3s. but only one pair of CF-4s, which may, of course, be complimented with up to 3 CF-3s. fortunately for you, i happen to have a one owner pair of CF-3s that i would trade that would relieve you of the burden of having too many CF-4 speakers. sorry, i don't make the rules!

i picked up the single khorn today. it's the new mate to the '62 khorn i've had for a few years now. sounds wonderful, is in excellent shape.

the serial numbers on my cf-3s are almost completely faded. a loupe and a careful eye are necessary to read the numbers. i purchased these new. they have at times been against walls with windows, so the sun has faded them. so i wouldn't be too quick to assume non numbered speakers to be B stock. they may actually have spent an extended time in one location exposed to uv light, but free from handling damage. those look to be in great shape, and the glass tops have no doubt helped preserve them. throw him a lowball and a sob story about the long drive.

i bi-amp with my cheap panasonic sa-xr57, which is an ideal match for these speakers. this is a 7 channel digital receiver that can use 6 channels to power the mains, with two channels bridged for each of the LF channels doubling the power to the woofers, with the ability to further dial in the level between the LF and HF amp sections. I am very satisfied with this setup.

a sore *** from sitting on a wallet that still has money left in it.

i bought my CF-3s new off the showroom floor. over the years i've applied some of the known tweaks, changed what is driving them several times, changed rooms, a few of the combos were losers at times, but the longer i listen to them, the more i know they are keepers. there have been times that i've experienced the same issues as many have complained about, too hot on the highs, etc. but whatever the problem is, it can always be solved by changing some other factor in the setup. i've been to RMAF a couple of times, auditioning many high end rigs, and cannot fathom spending the many, many thousands of dollars it would take to purchase new speakers that could do what these do.

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i cannot comment on the pioneer 1250. likwe rivernugget said, the saxr55 and 57 are good candidates. i have the 57. i've used it on both of my systems at times, with my khorns but usually powering my cf-3s. these digital amps are not highly regarded by the rest of the audio community because they run out of power with inefficient speakers. not a problem with your khorns. i too, am a tube lover, but my mistress is the panny. it gets more use than my tube amps do.

You got that right, 10K.http://www.broadcaststore.com/store/model_detail.cfm?id=812624In my opinion you would be much better off with a refurbished Ampex or Studer, at half the cost. Better FR, W&F and S/N. But that is in the 2-track realm. Forn4 track consumer/prosumer, there are many, many great decks out there. Travis i work in what used to be the Ampex facility starting in the 60's, now a machine shop. haven't found any rtr's laying around though. there are still quite a few pieces of manufacturing equipment in our shop that date back to the ampex days. in the basement are offices sitting as they were left in the 80's, i wouldn't be surprised if there was something yet to be discovered down there.Alabama, Chicago, Redwood City, Culver City? Which one. My Dad worked for Ampex, thus we live in Northern CA, and SoCal. If you can tell me what city and narrow it down to a building I can tell you what they did there. Opilieka, Alabama was Orr Industries who made Irish audio tape, the preferred tape of Mr. Klipsch, until it was bought by Ampex and made the Tape Division. The other locations did multiple things but each had specialities.Would be interested to know which plant/building you are in. Travis none of the above. Colorado Springs on Wooten Rd, i believe Ampex's first co springs location.Ah ha, I didn't even know that one. He say that was the Instrumentation Division. Recorders for telemetry, aerospace and medicine. The recorders were designed and built to record at a relatively wide frequency range and at very high frequencies necessary to provide accurate data. Their basic models for military and aerospace applications with the appropriate tape were flat from 50 hz to 100khz at 15 IPS. They made portable models that could go in rockets, as well as larger groud based units that recorded demodulated fm signal information.Essentially they made an almost bullit proof unit, impervious to shock and vibration, capable of accurately recording the widest available frequency ranges within military/aerospace/NASA tolerences. So what was in Colorad Springs at the time that was involved in aerospace, missels and their telemetry and space itself? Pretty much a majority of the the entire operational and develomment component of those areas were handled at bases in and around CS. As I recall, that is still true today. I will see what else he can remember about it there that isnt still classified. That is cool stuff. interesting info, thanks!

once again, i'll throw the panasonic saxr receivers out there if you want black, and are considering affordable options. they really are incredible with high efficiency speakers. the one caveat being you should be relatively committed to digital media since they are digital receivers. being digital amps, you won't ever need to worry about having a good DA converter or sound card. i spent many years powering klipsch speakers with pioneer, sony, etc. and the results all are mediocre compared to the panasonic i'm currently using, and even more important, i feel no immediate need to spend thousands more to get better sound quality. the only time you hear any background noise whatsoever, is if the source was originally a noisy analog recording, and then only at obscenely high volume levels. they can be had quite easily for ~$100 and hold their value.

You got that right, 10K.http://www.broadcaststore.com/store/model_detail.cfm?id=812624 In my opinion you would be much better off with a refurbished Ampex or Studer, at half the cost. Better FR, W&F and S/N. But that is in the 2-track realm. Forn4 track consumer/prosumer, there are many, many great decks out there. Travis i work in what used to be the Ampex facility starting in the 60's, now a machine shop. haven't found any rtr's laying around though. there are still quite a few pieces of manufacturing equipment in our shop that date back to the ampex days. in the basement are offices sitting as they were left in the 80's, i wouldn't be surprised if there was something yet to be discovered down there. Alabama, Chicago, Redwood City, Culver City? Which one. My Dad worked for Ampex, thus we live in Northern CA, and SoCal. If you can tell me what city and narrow it down to a building I can tell you what they did there. Opilieka, Alabama was Orr Industries who made Irish audio tape, the preferred tape of Mr. Klipsch, until it was bought by Ampex and made the Tape Division. The other locations did multiple things but each had specialities. Would be interested to know which plant/building you are in. Travis none of the above. Colorado Springs on Wooten Rd, i believe Ampex's first co springs location.

You got that right, 10K. http://www.broadcaststore.com/store/model_detail.cfm?id=812624 In my opinion you would be much better off with a refurbished Ampex or Studer, at half the cost. Better FR, W&F and S/N. But that is in the 2-track realm. Forn4 track consumer/prosumer, there are many, many great decks out there. Travis i work in what used to be the Ampex facility starting in the 60's, now a machine shop. haven't found any rtr's laying around though. there are still quite a few pieces of manufacturing equipment in our shop that date back to the ampex days. in the basement are offices sitting as they were left in the 80's, i wouldn't be surprised if there was something yet to be discovered down there.

yet another vote here for the panny saxr series receivers. ignore anything you hear from any other sources than Klipsch users about them, results are mixed with lower efficiency speakers, the panasonics really shine with most any klipsch.

i won't say that the Epic series is better than the khorn, but they certainly can compete. i WILL say that i listen to MY cf-3 system more than i do MY khorn system because i like it better. certainly the rooms they are in are a factor, though the rooms are very similar, they are the same width and height, but differ in depth. listening position is almost identical. i have my cf-3s in corners similar to the khorns, and have them bi-amped, with twice as much power going to the woofers, as well as the highs attenuated several db as well, so there is plenty of bass from these "bright" speakers. both systems will play any frequency louder than i can listen, it's all up to how a user has their setup EQed as to whether there is enough bass or not. the cf plays lower though, and no amount of eq will fix that shortcoming of the khorn. other factors that matter in the real world: one man can bear-hug and carry a cf3 or 4, and few of us are offered our choice of free speakers, we must spend real money on them, and if budget is a concern, the Epics have a clear advantage there. i have no experience with the rf-7s.