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I’ll just throw them away in that case. I do have a Marantz PM7000n Plus a Yamaha receiver that I use for whole house audio. And another Marantz AVR downstairs. I just like the retro look of the Denon but I believe you all are confirming what I was thinking. Not worth repairing. Not as desirable as older Marantz or Pioneer stuff from the 70s.

No the static is not related to any knobs. It is a prominent static sound with barely audible music in the background.

I have a Denon DRA 300 and a 400 circa 1981. They are the silver faced ones and are very clean and scratch free. Over the past few years I managed to damage a channel in each one to where it’s staticky sounding. I believe it’s from running cat 5 cable as speaker wire for whole house audio. Dumb I know. I live in WV and there are no repair shops nearby. I need to either toss them or get them fixed. I know shipping to a repair shop isn’t cost effective. I’m leaning towards trashing them but I really like them and hate to do it. Any advice?

I only paid $250 for my RP160Ms. They are ridiculously good for that price. And I say this as an Cornwall IV owner.

I watched it. Nice looking Cornwalls indeed. I am a bit surprised he didn’t notice much difference over the Fortes. I could tell a difference on the Paducah home theater comparison in the mids presence. Not saying it is enough that I’d miss it though.

Ive got a fever and the only prescription is more speakers. I currently own and love my Cornwall IVs however even after two months I sometimes look at them and think they are just absurdly huge in my living room. No I don’t have a significant other pressuring me on this, it’s just me. Sometimes I entertain the idea of a sub but mostly I’m happy without one. With the Cornwalls there no chance of fitting a sub in my room, fortes I could work with. I listen to all kinds of music from classic rock to electronic to metal, grunge, some jazz,acoustic live recordings and rap. I mostly listen between 65-75db because I value my hearing but I’ll sometimes have a few drinks and crank it to 85-90db for a bit. Plus the once in a blue moon party where I may even flirt with 100db for a short time. My home is a mid entry with a living room/ dining room combo (23x13.5ft) with a kitchen and foyer mostly open and adjacent to the living dining area. Ceilings are vaulted peaking at 10ft in the middle. Total cubic footage for all is over 3000. I’m intrigued by the passive radiator and wonder how the bass compares. I’ve read both that the forte’s bass is punchier and that the Cornwall is more visceral. Kind of opposing opinions. I may have to go to a dealer and take a listen but there is nothing within a few hours of me. How much midrange scale and openness would I lose? What are your experiences for those of you who have heard both? How much better is the Cornwall at low levels like 60-70db?

I’m wondering the same thing. I currently have mine paired with a pm7000n and it’s great.

Wow! Those are awesome. How has no one commented on them yet? Lol

In short yes they are worth the drive if it’s a decent deal and they are in good shape. I drive a similar distance for mine. As far as knowing if you really like them I think it’s worth getting them home and trying them out in your room. If you don’t love them and didn’t overpay you and get your money back by selling them quickly.

My Marantz PM7000n is really nice with my Cornwall IVs. $1199 new but look for open box or check Accessories 4less for a refurbished model.

My RP160s are incredible for the $250 I paid for them! Basically same as the 600s he reviewed.

Good to hear you have them sorted out! I have my CWIVs on hardwood floors. I’ll have to try some anti vibration pads. Are you talking about putting small ones under each corner of the speaker or a large one under the whole thing?

No idea on the Forte but I’ve been on a hard rock and metal kick for a couple of days with my Cornwall IVs and they are great. Megadeath Peace Sells and Anthrax have never sounded better. The big midrange provides texture and detail that I haven’t previously noticed on these tracks.

Lol. Yeah, I saw the RF7 vs. Cornwall one. I own the Cornwalls so I might even biased but I think you’d just have to hear them both in person to evaluate. Perhaps the bass may be punchier on the RF7 and cymbals have more zing. Maybe there’s more midrange information on the Cornwalls. Just a guess since I own the older RF3s and the RF 7 is bound to be a much, much better version of those.

I have Crites tweeters in mine. No such issues.

That's more like it. I paid $4995 shipped for A stock. I'm not trying to unfairly pick on some older speakers that cost a less. I'll be keeping my KLFs as well. I'm just pleasantly surprised with the Cornwalls. They exceeded my expectations. I was prepared to do what Shakeydeal did, keep them to audition for as long as I want to and sell them if I choose to.

I’m a bit late but I’m very happy with my Marantz pm7000n. How do you like the Parasoind so far?

Fair enough. I have the titanium tweeter diaphrams in the KLFs but never messed with the crossovers. Mids are still stock but I tried the Crites mid once and didn't like it as well. Seemed muffled a bit. Maybe it needed to break in? IDK. I'm keeping the KLFs because they are still a great speaker so maybe I will upgrade the crossovers in the future.

Thanks for everyone's input! I bought the Cornwall's from Paducah home theater. They arrived last Thursday. After listening to them for a good 20 hours by now I am very impressed! They beat the the KLF 20's by a good margin in about every facet except for bass impact. The CWIVs have a much richer, more open and fuller midrange. Guitars, vocals and drum all have more of a sense of air and space around them as if you are an observer in the venue where the recording is taking place. It is as if the midrange is three dimensional now. I always fought with the midrange on the KLFs, eventually installing an Lpad to tame them a bit. The KLFs are wonderful with the right recordings but are more revealing of poor recordings than the Cornwalls. In fact one of the worst recordings I have ever heard on the KLFs, Sinead O'conner's 'Drink Before the War' sounds markedly better on the Cornwalls. I was really surprised to find myself actually enjoying it for the first time. The whole speaker sounds more integrated as one cohesive sound if that makes sense. The CWIV are fantastic! I am quite happy with them. The KLFs are still a bargain on the used market even at $1500 for a nice pair but if you can afford it I recommend the CWIV. The KLFs will be moved down to the home theater and the RF3s will be sold.

Hey guys, in my downstairs den which is about 14x22 or so, I currently have an RTF3/RC3 5.1 set up with some cheaper Klipsch in ceiling speakers (not sure the model) for rear surrounds. This is powered by the Marantz 1607 receiver. I'm perfectly happy with this setup for home theater, however I'm getting Cornwall 4s for my main upstairs 2 channel system where my KLF 20s currently reside. Now, I really like my KLF 20s and they top the RF3s for music listening for me so I'd like to move them downstairs and possibly sell the RF set up. I'm not really THAT into home theater, though I do enjoy it from time to time; music is more my priority. I need to have the rear ceiling speakers because my room is set up with a bar in the back where the rears hover and I like to watch games and UFC in stereo. Aside from that I think I'd be happy with a 2.1 or even 2.0 set up with the KLFs as mains. This brings me to my question. Will Audessy automatically recognize and work around the absent center channel? Will 5 channel stereo now be formatted to 4 channel essentially? Or should i just move my NR1200 stereo reciever downstairs and run A+B for stereo? Thanks Jon

I really like my KLF 20s and plan to keep them forever but I just keep coming back to the Cornwall. I've never heard any heritage speakers and have long wondered how the Cornwall would sounds compared to my KLF 20s. Now that the IV is out and has received universal praise for being an improvement on earlier models I'm really intrigued. Of all the heritage speakers the massive Cornwalls appeal to me the most aesthetically. Who has heard these vs KLFs, CFs or RF 7s? How do you like the Cornwall IVs? I could move my 20s to the home theater and sell my RF3s. I listen to all types of music from classic rock including the harder ones like Black Sabbath, AC/DC and Led Zepplin to 80s pop to Electronic to rap to bluegrass and acoustic. Thanks Jon

I'm confused about how much power my KLF 20s could actually benefit from. Some say these are efficient enough to play loud with 1 watt because they are so efficient. Even if they are actually more like 92db efficiency wouldn't they theoretically play at 92db with 1 watt except for transient responses requiring more? Some people say they need like 200watts to open up. But when would they actually be using that power? At ear bleading 100db plus volumes? I'm interested in getting the most punch at a reasonable 85 db and below for 90 percent of my listening. I have a Marantz pm7000n right now and it seems to be doing a great job. I just sometimes wonder what high powered Rotel for example with 180 watts would do to the low end when the bass is boosted to plus 6db on the eq and I'm playing some bass guitar heavy sludgy rock. Would it actually draw more power than the 60 watt Marantz can provide and add more punch and clarity down low? I like my amp, seems fine, sounds great, just can't help but wonder. Thanks Jon

Not in a pissing contest kind of way but how far down the rabbit hole has your audio addiction brought you? Do you have extra amps and speakers that you rotate into play at times or do you have multiple systems in one rack? Personally I have KLF 20s in the living room with a Marantz PM7000n; a bedroom/office system with RP160m and Marantz nr 1200; and a downstairs den system with RF3s and a Marantz 1607. I didn't mean to end up with all Marantz and Klipsch. It was an accident...lol. I would like to branch out a bit for the sake of trying different gear. I think I could part with the RF3/RC3 set up and maybe move the 160s down there and add a RP450 center. MAybe try a different brand in the office like KEF, Wharfdale or something. I did have Energy C2s in the office but the new RP160m has beaten them out. I'm keeping the KLFs long term. Also the Marantz PM7000m was a decent upgrade from the Onkyo 9150 powering the KLF 20s. So anyway do you all have alternate pieces you rotate in from time to time?

So I'm currently going through an audio equipment bug flare up where I want to try to improve my main system if I can justify it. I have KLF 20's with a Marantz PM7000n in my living/dining room which is about 15'x 24' I believe. I'm enjoying the set up for the most part but wondering if a nice sub could help. I have a projector set up with it but my main priority is music. I once tried my old Velodine 12' sub (not sure of the model but it came from Circuit City 20 years ago) and it made some difference but not enough to deal with the added complexity. Plus it would shut off sometimes when playing loud at parties and you could barely notice its absence. The reason I am revisiting this is because I ran across a Klipsch SPL15 on ebay that is B stock for $799. Conversely I have considered buying a pair of KLF 30s if I can ever find any just to satisfy my curiosity, however I doubt they will make much difference from what I've read. I'm thinking the SPL150 may be the ticket to add some real value to the KLF 20 set up. What do you all think?

Lol...sorry, Mike was the last gentleman I replied to above. Thanks Epicklipschfan!