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I planned on running them on my Emotiva amp which is 125wpc @ 8ohm and 200wpc @ 4ohm, that should be sufficient to drive them then. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk

Thats been my line of thinking. Klipsch are so efficient you get a lot of sound with very little power, the B&W's, at least the ones I could afford to play around with are in the 88-91 efficiency scale. Thats a big change from 102!! I have just adopted this total mindset that if a speaker isn't big and heavy or doesn't have a horn, then its worthless! I need to branch out and be a bit more open minded!!

I took in a pair of 802 series 2 about 2 years ago on a trade for La Scalas, the guy gave me the B&w's and $900 for a pair of La Scalas I had. I hooked them up for about 30 seconds to a Marantz 2265 to make sure they worked and that was it. A guy bought them from me that same afternoon. In hind sight I wish I had taken some time with them. . I really need to open my mind and experience some different sound.

funny cause i think they "look" awful. cabinet color is great driver color and baffle is terrible looking Lol! Let me say, they look like they would sound awesome!!

These look awesome.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/B-W-BOWERS-AND-WILKINS-CM4-FLOORSTANDING-SPEAKERS-/131547531591?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1ea0d80947

I'll never abandon Klipsch....I would like to delve into some other speakers just to hear them. B&W just kind of jumped out at me! One thing I immediately noticed was the efficiency of the B&W is well below that of our beloved Klipsch! I have the gear to drive them but Im curious now how hard I would have to drive them to make the magic!

Anyone have experience with the B&W speakers? They look pretty cool, spec sheets (I know you cant hear a spec sheet) look good. I'd kind of like to try a pair if they are worth it. I see $600/pair to $10k a pair! Lol. Obviously I would sample the lower end of the scale.

Im looking for a pair of these but your 18hrs away. Thats how it always ends up for me. If you get near Arkansas though......

The wife! +++ Edit: I've been drooling over these, but at $500 it might shoot the budget. I would start here and build around it. https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/157816-rf-7-point-to-point-soldered-crossovers-with-audiocap-ppt-thetas/ I have a pair of RF-7's those would go nicely in. Lol.

Modified consideration list: http://www.parts-express.com/eminence-h2ea-2-cast-aluminum-exponential-horn-60x40-4-bolt--290-551 http://www.parts-express.com/eminence-psd-3006-16-2-titanium-compression-horn-driver-16-ohm-4-bolt--290-441 http://www.parts-express.com/eminence-delta-15lfa-15-low-frequency-driver--290-417 http://www.parts-express.com/pa-knock-down-trapezoid-plywood-speaker-cabinet-for-15-driver--245-326 http://www.parts-express.com/eminence-pxb2-800-2-way-speaker-crossover-board-800-hz--290-632

All this being said, I would of course build a top box to house the horn. The whole crossover thing has me twisted up though. If thats not right, none of its right!

So $1K for the pair? I would think you could put together some outstanding sound at $500 per speaker, and even at $400 per speakers, there are some other smaller kits with high quality components that fit that price range. +++ Have you run that by the wife? You want to turn the speaker box upside down and put a bare horn on top? And aesthetics are important? Frankly, I agree with you, I think that would look great. But your wife sounds MUCH more understanding than my wife! +++ I still like your ideas, but I really think the crossover design (lack of) is really going to ruin any kind of decent sound. Maybe someone else can come up with a better idea than I had. And I would remind you, that Fusion 15 is a BIG speaker! (read, low WAF rating) Thats the PE cabinet I found an image of on google. Who could argue with that look?! I will look long and hard at the Fusion 15.

Oh no you don't, my friend, you're not getting off the DIY bus that easy! I loved doing my three DIY builds. I have NO woodworking skills, and I learned so much. Those kits are a SUPER way to get into a DIY build, and if you have skills and knowledge you branch out from there into true speaker design if that's your thing. My thing is high quality sound at a fraction of the cost of retail. My research made me a lot smarter and I learned there are some things I was NOT going to be able to do, like box design and cross over design. I actually was going to do exactly what you originally posted. I looked at that exact same birch knock-down cab from PE that you listed. The big problem was that it has no bracing, and it was not designed for home speaker use, it is a PA cab. I had no way to cut out a front baffle so I could put a horn in. Those DIY Soundgroup knock-down boxes are expertly designed and CNC cut. The edges won't just fit, they match. It will give you a perfectly flat surface so you can try your veneering skills. Here is my Cheap Thrill 12" SEOS and $50 Celestion 15" woofer in the Man Cave. I bought a $45 piece of 3/4" MDF and a guy built a box for me. My 15" sub kit from PE is below the Cheap Thrill, and my CF-4 is to the right. The $200 CT and the $2500 CF-4 (1994 retail, dual 12" woofs) VERY close in sound and SPL to each other, with the nod going to the CT in terms of mid-bass quality and is more efficient. IMG_4420.JPG What is your budget, and where do you plan to put these? Living room, home theater, what do you have in mind? Will these be music or movie oriented? FYI the Sentinel 15" kit I suggested is actually the upgraded version 2. It has a larger 15" waveguide and reworked cross over. Lol! I'm gonna build something....I actually intended on using the PE cab with a horn sitting on top and flipping the cabinet over where the woofer was higher. I don't want to end up with something that sounds like crap though! These are going to be in the living room rotation so aesthetics are fairly important. That's why I liked the idea of the PE cabs because they are birch, can be easily stained and would be about 40" tall to the top of the horn. This is my first DIY so $800-$1k would be tops on budget.

+++ Disclaimer: I usually don't like to recommend products that are not Klipsch, because they are our hosts. In this case because the OP is discussing a DIY project, I don't consider such kits competitors to Klipsch. Klipsch offers full service in dealers and full-time tech support, and the Klipsch come with a full warranty and have beautiful finishes on them, the DIY kits do not. The DIY kits do offer great sound for the dollar, but they will not reward you at resale time like a Klipsch speaker will. If I were to pick 1 brand and stay with it, like Eminence horn, horn driver, 15" driver and eminence crossover....would that help with proper matching?

Im quickly seeing there is builders and there are buyers....perhaps I should be content with being a buyer! Lol.

I appreciate the honesty and the info. Thats a little disappointing about not being able to get the woofer and the horn close in sound, however, the speaker you attached the link to looks pretty cool. I was just hoping to use the birch cabinet off Parts Express. Its a little taller.

I really appreciate that! Good eye! I didn't even notice the low DB value of the woofer.

Let me preface this thread by saying a few things. A) Not trying to win any awards B.) Not trying to build something to the likes of which no one has heard. C) This is going to be a learning experience so I'm not looking to spend $2k. D) I want to put together a good looking 2 way speaker with nice sound and decent components. I have got the itch to put together a speaker project. I would like to learn a little about veneer among other things and this looks like a way I could do it without breaking the bank or being to upset if it didn't work out right. I have been on Parts Express and I have put a list of Items together that I thought might work together. I was hoping I could get some advice here from those more knowledgeable than myself on whether the items, put together, would make good 2 chan speakers. I want a 2" horn in these and a decent bass/mid range. They don't have to over achieve in the bass region because I have a good sub. I just want a large horn that sounds good. I would really like less of a directional horn and one that covers a broader area. Below is the list I assembled. I know it would take a minute to look at each component and consider its place in the project so I would sincerely appreciate any input that anyone would have, positive or negative or maybe a suggestion on replacing a certain part for something else. I may be way off on the crossover being right for the horn, horn driver and 15" driver so go easy on me!! I have always just bought speakers, never put any together. I listed 2 horn drivers, not sure if one would work better than the other. Thank you!! ps. I have a modified list of possibilities besides this on down the thread. http://www.parts-express.com/pa-knock-down-trapezoid-plywood-speaker-cabinet-for-15-driver--245-326 http://www.parts-express.com/selenium-hl4750-slf-2-bi-radial-horn-40x20-4-bolt--264-329 http://www.parts-express.com/selenium-d3300ti-dpd-2-titanium-horn-driver-4-bolt--264-228 http://www.parts-express.com/selenium-d3305ti-dpd-2-titanium-horn-driver-4-bolt--264-226 http://www.parts-express.com/eminence-pxb2-800-2-way-speaker-crossover-board-800-hz--290-632 https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-pa380-8-15-pro-woofer--295-034

Im in Bryant....Im with longdrive03 on the coffee....I'd love to hear them when your done!!

Wow. Im speechless.

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wow. nice.

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We'll never be good enough, Jerol.

I cant get into the country club, the wine club, or any other elite club, and now......there is a section on the Klipsch forum I cant get into......the world we live in.