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Those RF-7's sure look brute/powerful standing next to the 83's. Anyways I have a question hopefully someone here can answer it. How long does it usually take after a speaker rf-7 is discontinued until you won't be able to find a new pair of them anywhere? joe

The problem with klipsch speakers is that they are too damn good. My local dealer is speaker shop in buffalo and they never hooked klipsch up to any real powerful amps like they do with their B&w's,marin logans and paradigms. They know klipsch is already one of their best sellers and if they hooked it up to a powerful high quality amp noone would buy any of their other high end products like b&w and martin logan. So I actually think this is a marketing strategy. This is why I think klipsch is always handicapped when they are sold along with other high end speakers. Thus they still sound better than all those other high end brands even when handicapped.

I have been to both dealers many times before. Speaker shop is definitely anti klipsch and very pro b&w thats why they always hook up bw's to amps and klipsch to receivers. Also you cant determine the bass response at rowe that room isint ideal at all. Speakers are so backed up into the wall they cant even breathe. Bring them in your house and you will hear and feel the bass. Trust me the Rf-7's will sound alot better in your home than they do at speaker shop and rowe video.

They made the front page at http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/. This definitely is lame. Wow they made www.sounddistributors.com home page too. It says "better than klipsch". What the heck is going on here. Maybe a possibility is these speakers are actaully klipsch speakers or b stock or refurbished klipsch products that were changed a little and are being covered up with a different name to sell them exclusively over the net. Cause somethings not right acoustic sound design doesnt carry klipsch any more. Joe

Yes I indeed did say an RW-12 not an RSW-12. I am sure the plus subwoofers by SVS are much better than the originals but I am sure the sonic quality is still going to be the same. Maybe an analogy would be why most of us here like our Klipsch speakers the best due to their sonic qualities. This is what I am talking about in regard to the Klipsch bass sound vs. the SVS sound. Joe

For CAS and CJ well boys I had a 20-39 and recently shipped it back like 2 days ago. Today I bought a brand new Klipsch RW-12 and I already love it. For music it is better to me than the SVS, it sounds cleaner, quicker, tighter more live and just as smooth. Also dont forget this is its first night. I watched a few DVD scenes same ones I watched with the SVS with real low volume didint want to anger my mom in the next room so cant comment yet but it sounded damn good and tight at low volume, subtle bass notes sounded really good and more apparent than the SVS. Once I play my DVD's at normal volume I will reply again and let you know how low and loud it goes compared to the SVS. Like I said I love it and it is here to stay. My original intent was to try it out and if the RW-12 didint phase me compared to the SVS I was gonna return it and purchase the SVS PB1-ISD, but I like the quality in bass better with the Klipsch so I am keeping it. To answer your question though no I have not heard a PB2+ nor would I think I would like it. The sonic quality of the bass will probably be exactly the same as the 20-39 PCi but will go louder and maybe a little deeper. I do not need this extra loud bass. I was looking more for the quality of the bass and I found it. Joe

Maybe the problem is the slam and power you have with your Klipsch sub and the lack there of in your SVS. I recently had the 20-39 PCi and it had absolutely no slam at all. I returned it and going for a Klipsch subwoofer.

I purchased the SVS 20-39 PCi about 3 weeks ago. I originally had a definitive technology pf15tl+. Comparing these 2 subwoofers the SVS is a cleaner sounding subwoofer. It digs just a little deeper than the def tech and its about just as loud even though I have to set the SVS a little over 1/2 volume to equal the output of the def tech at 2/5 power for home theater applications. The SVS is not punchy nor can it keep up with my klipsch mains for music. The SVS bass sounds darker and more laid back compared to my mains bass. The bass coming out of my mains is more clear, live with more slam. Everything is calibrated correctly too. With hometheater not necessarily music the bass is indeed cleaner than the def tech. The SVS will be returned and I will finally purchase a Klipsch subwoofer the RSW-12 and hopefully I will get that live, clear, loud slam I am after just like my Klipsch mains.

A local dealer said the new Klipsch line will be out in the first quarter next year. Joe

Why are you selling it?

Once you go Klipsch you will never turn back. They're that good. Compared to Klipsch all other speakers sound like shoe boxes.

No imahawki I believe you hear the revealingness of Klipsch speakers. You probably heard the microphone that they use in the movie. I sometimes hear this with different DVD's of mine with my RF-3's and its not played that loud. Klipsch speakers do not distort. Joe

So do subwoofers also have upfront quick slam just like floorstanding speakers do? And since klipsch speakers have more slam than any other speaker brand do their subwoofers also have that more upfront slam than other speaker brands? My guess is I would think so because the klipsch subwoofer has to keep up with the klipsch mains.

Aww man guys I am confused. SVS subs sure can go low but is this needed. If I heard correctly DVD's rarely go that low 20 hz. So who really needs a sub that will play loud at this level? Does klipsch have the right idea for their subs to play good in the upper ranges 30-70 hz? And do they do it better than SVS? This is what I am interested in, clean punchy bass. Right now I have a 15" def tech pf15tl+ that sure could get loud dont know how low it goes but its muddy and not punchy. I never use it for music. This is why I am leaning towards klipsch for my next sub the RW-12 that is. But I really dont wanna make a mistake and not go with an SVS. Joe

Ok here goes. Which sub is the cleaner sounding sub with music and movies. RW-12 or SVS ISD?