Dave A

Here in Tennessee the interstates were labeled as being created by Gore Sr for some time. That family is just creative genius unleashed. He deserves that 24,000 square foot modest dwelling.

This guy has had these on EBay and I have seen them listed for at least six months or so. He has a lot of pro gear and wants way to much money for it. He keeps his stuff in good shape. I have talked to him regarding a set of KP-301's I had he wanted to use as part trade for these but I never went further. He was already to rich for my blood.

I have started polishing the interior of the horn and the face with Scotchbrite. It leaves kind of a satin finish which looks good in it's own right and if you want to paint it just clean and the surface is ready to go. The as machined surface always let you see fingerprints to easily and I was never thrilled about that. Scotchbrite gives a kind of matt finish with a scratch pattern according to how you apply it and looks more esthetically refined to me compared to shiny. No advice on best paint or painting practices but this Scotchbrite surface will allow paint to adhere much better and truth to be known I like the appearance more. I have no opinion on what paint to use as mine don't get painted. You guys get to figure all that out and do the painting to.

As crazy as this may sound I can't make up my mind which I like more with the MCM 1900. The two banks of four K-77's or the two of the DE10's in you know what. I don't really understand the mechanics of sound that in a massive system the size of an MCM 1900 these small tweeter's make such an audible difference but they do. I stick an L-Pad on there and adjust to suit me for the day or the music.

Oh boy Onion II on the way!

Yes right on the money.

A good point. These wild Turkeys are nothing like store bought. Best wild game meat out there but the breasts are the only thing you can use. On the ridge top they are supper but in the valley they are pets.

Here is a true story about pronouncements from on high regarding audio gear. On my way back from a speaker buy in Witchita recently I caught up on emails. There was a guy wanting to buy my Chorus I's who was kind of irate I had not answered my emails promptly. So I called him that night and explained to him my land line had been on the blink for days (THANKS ATT really feel the love) and I had been pretty busy so did not pay much attention to the cell phone since I don't text or do much in the way of emails there. So once we get past all that and we start talking he tells a sad tale of Audiogon egos who had basically convinced him if you did not spend $80,000 you would never have a real system. He was crushed because he did not have that kind of money. He went on to say that he had heard abut Klipsch but that Klipsch according to these Audiogon guru's he had been listening to was "to lifelike" and not sonically pure like it should be. He got to thinking about that and asked himself is lifelike not the way it is supposed to be? So he looked up Klipsch on Craigslist and there was my Chorus I with the MAHL tweeter. I laughed when he was done with his story and said come on over and I will prove those fru fru idiots are 100% wrong. This guy is really antsy to hear these things so I agree to meet with him on Sunday. He shows up and loves the Chorus. But he is also looking at a pile of KPT-456's that I had unloaded but had yet to hook one up. He asks me about them and I tell him they are the second best speaker I have ever had in this shop and WAY better than the Chorus. So he has to hear them. In the middle of being tired and unprepared we slog through getting the crossovers put in and moving things around. He asked me what the best speakers were that I had ever had here and I said you walked right past them. He did not know the MCM 1900 was a speaker. You know not purty and not rectangular or veneer covered so it never dawned on him what they were. I got the 456's hooked up and we played various genres for a couple of hours. It was funny to watch the intent look on his face and he would scoot the chair back and forth and play that again and do you have any of this to play and you know how that goes. I truly enjoy seeing people hear high fidelity with superb presence for the first time since I am sitting right there with them and loving it too. Still had the soda pop drips running down the side of one of them but he said they were going home with him. I asked him how did these stack up to the fancy things he had heard and he grinned and said they beat the $80,000 B&W's. Not even close. He leaves and I figure he drove 90 miles an hour to get home and hook them up. I get an email a few hours later and he says how magnificent they sound and thanked me for opening his eyes to Klispch. I get another email a couple of hours later and he is in panic mode. He was listening to the best sound ever in his house and things just died. The amp shut down and is there any way the speaker could damage the amp? I am sitting here trying to figure out what he had done when I get another email. All is well and it was his electrical outlet that had gone bad. He could not believe the absolute towering presence and fidelity of those 456's and he took them home for $1,600. I am happy to say I have created another Klipsch fanatic. The Audiogon guys were full of studies and proper ways of doing things and self assured they were right but for my buyer where the rubber hits the road it was, to him, provable they were full of crap.

Good morning everyone and welcome to day 21. On track here to set a record I believe. Alright please define what you mean. It is true that there are smoke and mirrors and snake oil and outright deception regarding sales and claims for audio gear in many cases. Never want this shut down. It is the humorous highlight of my day right now. This is like the "Klipsch Onion" site would be if there were one. Bean counters are heading that way Dean. When the formaldehyde fumes fill the casket they save on embalming fluid.

Aren't they still in their breakin period?

OK OD help me out here. Where is the article without having to subscribe to the magazine? Classic case of deflection.

Shakespeare liked them and was known to say tu be or not tu be, that is the question.

Claude can explain this better than I can but here is one for the large tweeter. The DE10 has a two bolt mounting on a three inch center to center which is larger than the whole flange is on the K-79. Unless you make an adapter plate you can't mount this to a K-79. Pink DE10 Green DE110 purple DE120

You got that right.Deflect deflect deflect.

Count me in as entertained. I leave for half a day and return to find nuggets of humor disguised as "serious" audio analysis and I am thinking I have not been so amused since I joined the forum. So you disappear for a while and then come back with something like this. I would like a link to what you are claiming. As a matter of fact when you come up with any more of this stuff I want a link. I want to see it for myself. Verification is good. I would also like your concise definition of linear and remember we can put sentences into Google and see if it is primarily your own words or lifted from someone else. The big problem with the internet today for people who love unsubstantiated claims is we can check.

I listen to new to me sets of speakers whenever I get them in for glaring problems. I also order a set of new caps because I am always going to rebuild crossovers that old. Last weekend i was working on three KI102's since the new caps had come in. The capacitance values were OK but the ESR was as high as .358. New ones have ESR that I can't even measure or less than .005 typically. What Jim said is great advice to as many speakers I get in have loose screws on the barrier strips and loose spade end connections at the speakers. I have also found some borderline solder joints too.

Thanks for the links glens and bookmarked this site. He had one from 1-2-19 that was a great read http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=6333#comment-370928

They did go to a good home.

ODS being serious here for a minute and will basically repeat what Jimbo said to you many pages ago. We all love talking about audio here and many of us reach differing conclusions about what we like and why. What is not appreciated is someone who just barges in here from nowhere and starts telling us how stupid we are for our choices and make no mistake that is basically where you end up every time. You even have this mindset regarding things you have never heard but you know better anyway. You even know more than Bonehead and Vandersteen! So rather than treating your thread seriously as it could have been it has become a delightful circus of the bizarre and you reap what you sew. In the mean time day 20 is off the starting line and looks to deliver all I could hope for.

Good morning everyone!! Well here we are day 20 and dog-gone-it, or D/G/it, I have set my linear down somewhere and can't find it. You ever have mornings like this?

Mike Monticello from Charlotte, NC. He is here on the forum at times I don't know that he posts though. He was getting a set of KPT 456's and could not handle the pressure of driving away knowing next time he was here the MCM's would be gone so he fixed that problem. His problem is that when he gets around to picking them up I will have the S-MWM's with that yummy 402 on top. He will have to leave with envy though since those are my for real keepers. No I mean it this time

Claude ran all the tests. His conclusions were the DE120 is best for the K-77 dropins and the DE10 is the best for K-79 etal dropins. I am sure they would work on other lenses also if you are building or willing to cut up a motorboard. His curves indicated the DE10 is better than the DE120 and listening to them all here I think so to. Space should not be a problem if you are putting them on a horn as big as the one in the picture. I had an Eminence N151M-8 ring driver that sounded terrible on the larger MAHL's but when you put it on a much larger horn lens it was very nice. 108db efficient though if I remember right so in many cases you will have to stick an L-Pad on there at the least to control sibilance. These were actually to hot for my MCM 1900 and until I adjusted them with an L-Pad real unfriendly. Bob's APT50 is the one to get if you go that route as the one from Eminence today is liked by no one.

The Festool track saw came in Friday so I start this week.

The love of specs can chase you from place to place. While I am very technical in some areas I decided to take a shortcut here where it comes to amplification. I have owned many speakers but only five different amps. The first time I hooked up an old 800 watt per channel Peavey amp to my LSI's I was stunned at how much better percussion was. I had followed audio recommendations online and bought an Onkyo based on reviews. It was nice and had connectivity I liked but just did not make those LSI's sing. Today I have an Integra 50.4 which came with a ton of kudo reviews. Bought it mainly for trying room correction and using REW and UMikes to help analyze the tweeters I was making. I also have a Crown xli800 which is by far a better sound for me than the Integra which sits there dusty most of the time. Call me a tightwad but if I am spending a ton of money it will go primarily into the speakers and then into commercial gear of good quality. I have heard setups with Macs and other high end bits and pieces and they leave me unmoved especially when I look at the price tag to get them. Where I am heading with this is if I wanted to hear real live performances in my shop maybe I should try what live sound people use and just bypass all the technical jargon and opinions and reviews. I might be wrong in this approach but when I fire up the Crown with the MCM 1900 or the KPT-456's using pro amps just seems to make those babies really sing. When I get the Super MWM's done with that horn length I have to venture into DSP but it will be with two Crown xli's and the Integra super duper whiz bang great review deal will be a pre-amp only.

YES not only can I come to the forum and be educated with all the good stuff here, being serious now, I can also be entertained