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4 minutes ago, andytong619 said:
Ahh okay. I guess I would never be in a situation that needs to run each channel of th 600 and 400 to 75 watts? I mean what will draw that much power.
It will cause distortion eventually at higher levels of playback, and many movie scenes will momentarily jump to that. Explosions, for example, use a lot of power. The usual overhead that I go with is between 30 and 75 WPC over the continuous output recommendation.
So if my speakers are rated at 150, I'd aim at 200, if they're 100, I'd aim at 150. That's a guide though, not a rule. But generally I'll try and match the WPC recommendation (thus my adjustment to power amps). Stable power supplies that can provide power is the key though, and most entry AVRs will not supply that. It's all centered on cleanliness of power.
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1 minute ago, andytong619 said:
Ahh okay. So if the RX V363 is a 6 ohm receiver, and the RP600M & RP400C both are 8 ohm speakers, will there be a problem? Or are they compatible?
It'll be fine.
Just remember that the maximum power you'll get running the 600 and 400 is around 75 WPC max. If it's temporary, I'd say lay on it and pull the trigger.
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It's powerful enough on it's own, but when you start adding more speakers, it's going to start straining a bit. The RX-V363 has a maximum power output of 235 Watts for all 5 of it's channels. So don't let the 100WPC or whatever fool you. It doesn't put out more than 40 WPC all channels driven.
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Welp, buyer backed out on the RSP...so it'll be back up for sale...RDG as well. I am open to offers.
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In theory you could use the pre-outs. Either L or both L/R to use the on-board amplifier on the sub. I can't promise it'll sound all that great though since I don't know enough about how the H/K handles that and if your Klipsch Sub has a high cut to filter out the upper frequencies.
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If it's music, as mentioned, there's literally no reason for you to have an AVR. They have anemic power supplies, especially entry level ones like the 379.
If you just have to have HDMI with it for switching, there's the Denon DRA-800, which is a *real* 100 wpc, a decent power supply, and a decent ability to deliver quality sound.
DENON DRA-800H 2 x 100 Watts Stereo Receiver w/HEOS | Accessories4less
$450 on A4L.
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19 minutes ago, DizRotus said:
What happened in that thread about your project to update a stereo console? Can you bump it or link it here?
I'd have to dig for it, I'll DM you later.
After I finished it, my mom actually decided she didn't want it (Ugh!) So she now has a very nice system built on Yamaha and Nak gear (plus your Technics TT) with Forte I's. The console went to a lady I know at work.
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RSP is sold. RDG is still for sale!
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Possibly. I don't have any qualms with Integra. I'll consider it, DM me.
I'll need to look through some things in the meantime.
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I appreciate it, but the 2000's don't have the feature set I need, and the series older than the 200's don't seem to have the tech that I'm going to need either.
Thanks though!
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If that changes, let me know. Had I seen this sooner, I would have reached out.
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Hey folks,
I'm looking for a particular AVR in the aforementioned lines for my streaming rig. I'm looking for a Yamaha RX-A 40 series (or later), 10 model (or higher) or a Denon AVR-X 200 series (or later), 4000 model (or higher). Need preouts and two HDMI zones with Atmos, so...basically A1040, 50, 60, 2040, 50, 60, 3040, 50, 60 or X4200, 300, 400, 500, 5200, 300, 400, 500, 6200, 300, 400.
I'm leaning towards the Yamaha stuff right now, but I'll take what I can get really at this point. Anyone looking to sell right now?
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11 hours ago, MeloManiac said:
Allow me to put my concern in the historical context why I feel so strongly about censoring MD:
Now, when I was discussing MD music elsewhere on this forum, I was shocked to discover that in 2021, we still do this to MD.
I said this before in my post that you quoted, so I'll say it again since you missed it.
TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE IMPLYING WOULD TAKE SOURCE CODE APPROXIMATELY THE SIZE OF THE ENTIRE FORUM SOFTWARE ITSELF.
You can not just build something smart by having it check bits and pieces of something, that's not how things work. You are commenting way above and beyond what your knowledge is able to attain. It is not practical, feasible, or logical to ship such a system with forum software. We call that bloatware. It's garbage. It creates a bad product. It also slows down software to the point it impacts user experience far more negatively than the simple find-replace system that's in place. It's not censoring Miles Davis. The system doesn't know if it's Miles Davis, or Dave Attell, or some rando on the internet. It's not smart enough to put those pieces together, and to make it that smart would make it extremely slow processing and take thousands of lines of code and callouts just to work.
Please...think.
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You see it however you want man...just remember this was in response to youI sense some hostility in your final paragraph. You obviously don't care much about user feedback, and for that reason I have decided it is wise to end this discussion from my side.some unnamed programmer decided to censor Miles Davis with a dumb forum filter.Your concern as you call it, is moot. That list has not changed and there's no intention to have it changed. As for "user feedback" - not sure what you're talking about. I haven't worked for any software company in 8 years. That's not really relevant here anyway though. A forum operator can change what they want on private turf.
You fired shots first, sir. You were the one who launched a myriad without considering practicality first, blaming a company, and then dumping on the developers who developed a piece of benign forum software.
I saw your edit in an attempt to roll off what I said. You'd have to design an extensive set 9f code for what you're describing alone, larger than the forum software. That makes absolutely no sense to do.
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15 hours ago, MeloManiac said:
I can tell you I never use profanity, and I experienced it as an insult when some unnamed programmer decided to censor Miles Davis with a dumb forum filter.
Reading this again I saw this.
Hi. I'm one of the "unnamed programmers" you just called out. My name appears in the contributors for the forum software this site uses. I have worked for Invision, phpBB, and XMB in the past. "Dumb" forum filter is right, again, it's not a bot. It's PHP replace function and exists in virtually any software that passes data from a post-action to a database.
Why would we do this? Well, a number of reasons. I'll list a few:
1. Forum owners, operators, and managers are required to comply with certain laws and regulation when it comes to handling sensitive content associated with minors, or where minors may be exposed to content. This generally ends at the collection of data, but in some states and nations (did you know more than just the west uses software like this?) profanity and exposure thereof to minors is against the law. So we have to have those in place for that reason.
2. In 2009 when I started working with phpBB, 60% of our installations were by minors, or near-minors. In 2007, XMB's installations were around 80% AOB age 18. 72% of all Invision Free services at the time of it's termination had a user self-identified as below the age of 16. See a pattern here?
3. Taking into account that these filters can be easily modified, and the majority of forums being deployed had a high-percentage rate of exposure to minors, and that in some territories that can land you in hot water, we shipped them with default censorship words in place. You could also add this was to underscore features, and just the standard fact that most software companies and businesses tend to go away from profanity in professional environments - including forums.
I seriously can't believe someone is sitting here complaining about this. I also frankly don't care if I somehow insulted you with including a standard feature shipped in software you know nothing about. Thanks for trying though? I guess...
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On 7/22/2021 at 3:48 PM, Erman said:
my question is would you prefer to buy RP-6000F or R-820F, instead of 15 years old RF-35? as i know RF-35 is mde in usa and these new ones are from china. but still it is 15 years old and technologjy is changed a lot.
The RF-35 was not made in the USA. They were made in China as Bill mentiond.
As for technology...I mean...yes and no. It hasn't changed quite as much as you probably are thinking. Speakers aren't AVR's.
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What you are complaining about is a standard feature of *all* forums. Whether or not the feature is enabled is another story. It is not a bot. Not sure where on earth you got that opinion. PHP searches for a string in your post that matches a set of words (generally it's anything above the PG level by default out of the box of forum software). It then will replace with asterisks or other filler specified in the admin panel.
It's a family website. If you don't want to be associated with a brand because of how their forum software filters words...hate to break it to you, but get in line with just about every audio community that uses any forum software ever.
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The Denon would be better than the TSR - think of the TSR's are the budget Yamaha's. The X series of Denon AVR's is more akin to the Yamaha RX-A line. They have better power supplies and generally have better power management. IIRC, I think they have Audessey XT32 as well, where the S series doesn't (might be wrong on that though).
Again though, if your budget is $600...that X is going to be much better than the S750.
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I think you are not thinking of integrated amplifiers in the way that they're designed by intention. Most 2 channel configurations would have speakers that are designed to be full range or capable of full-range delivery. Most of those amplifiers will cut at either 80 or 120 Hz as well. If your budget was $600 - you could have stepped up to the X series which has a bit more oomph.
DENON AVR-X1600H 7.2-Ch x 80 Watts A/V Receiver w/HEOS | Accessories4less
I will tell you, you're probably going to have to run your S750 to about 60 or 70 to really feel the heat. Those S models just lack so much in power. You may get it and be fine with it, but I think you'll find yourself second guessing rather quickly if you're so worried compared to the Yamaha that had much more power and was able to deliver it cleanly.
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7 hours ago, psykoticboss said:
Oh yeah I definitely will say the yamaha was awesome. I really wish these nice integrated amps had bass management especially if it has the sub-out.
Can you link what you're talking about - which Yamaha model - because all of the Yamaha integrated amps and stereo amps I've seen have bass management right on the front panel. What kind of bass management are you talking about?
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I am here.
And I crave. Bottles!
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2 minutes ago, psykoticboss said:
Man I hope you are somewhat wrong on #2. Plenty of people said it will handle those 3 Klipsch no problem. Gonna be pretty dissapointed if it gets here and doesn't do a good job. I just sent back the Yamaha S-501 and it powered them really well with only 85 wpc.
Power supplies are not created equal. The supply in your R-S501 was designed to power 2 channels and 2 channel only. It also wasn't having to have a bunch of extra features on it to power and cycle thru. That system was designed to be a clean 2-channel driver. It will sound better, and handle better for 2-channel than a home theater system.
The Denon PSU's in the S series are relatively anemic considering the need. They need to power 5 channels, while handling video processing, surround processing, and everything else. Granted that everything else isn't always functioning, but if you're expecting it to somehow be better, you are going to be disappointed. It's not a bad system, but it's going to struggle in many areas. It might work for you, but it's very reasonable that it won't.
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38 minutes ago, psykoticboss said:
In order to get bass management, I sent back the awesome integrated amp Yamaha S-501 and have a Denon AVR-S750H on the way.
It has great reviews, but only advertises 75 wpc 2 channels driven. I have a 3.1 setup with RP-600Ms(100/400) and RP-450C center(150/600).
I have a few questions :
1. Is the receiver 'smart' enough to send all of its power capabilities to the 3 channels? No bi-amping on the center channel.
2. Is the advertised 75 watts going to be enough? Subjective question but 'enough' in my eyes means being able to turn it up pretty loud, low or no distortion, and ideally still having alot of headroom. It will be worrysome if my desired volume is like 75% of the knob. On the 501 rated at 85 wpc, the RP-600s were super loud at 20% of the knob turned.
3. From the way I understand it doubling power means +3db pretty much. So even if I spent the money and got a 150wpc amp, I would only gain 3db? There is the argument that higher power amps play better at lower volumes, but being on somewhat of a budget I had to go with the Denon mentioned.
4. Is it worth it to bi-amp the 600s with the 4th and 5th channel on the receiver?
Thanks for the help as always!
Note: These are the Kanto stands, really happy with em!
1. Receivers are smart enough in that if you send it a signal, it will output that signal as processing dictates. There's no real "being smart" about it. The demands generally are across the front three channels, so that's where most of the power would be drawn.
2. IMO, no. Not at all. The S series and the previous revisions lacked a lot when I ran them on even the most elementary Klipsch configurations.
3. Your understanding is correct, but generally where more power benefits you is those kicks to the chest, those explosions, the bass drum, etc. Where you'd really notice if the power wasn't there.
4. Not on a passive crossover with an AVR, no.
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Bump. Both still for sale. Interest is there, but no takers yet.
Yamaha RX V363 Receiver powerful enough for Klipsch RP600M?
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To be clear, the 363 is not 100 WPC. It is 100 WPC if only two channels are driven. If it exceeds 2 channels, it falls to around 75 (at 3), 35-40 (at 5), 15 or so (at 7). The maximum power output is 235 W. That means that the most power the AVR can put out at any given time is 235 watts. But you also have to remember it has to process video, audio, and then some. So not all of that 235W is going to be sent as audio power.
I would look first for something that will give you a proper 100 WPC all channels driven.