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  1. Cary SLI-80 HS works very well with Cornwall 4. Klipsch even used them in their marketing materials. Klipsch even had a hand in voicing them. Klipsch even makes the matching side panels. Easy choice.
  2. They are my favorite outside, mainly because most other speakers can't pull it off at all so these just sound so much superior to most everything else in that environment that I'm not sure how you can't like it. They work fine inside as well of course. Only thing I've ran across that may be specific to room size is that I heard some songs in the lab that sounded a little bloated. Gillian Welch for example. Miss Ohio doesn't exactly have a ton of low bass and probably shouldn't sound like it does. I have always assumed it was due to cabin gain. May have just been some weird room modes, IDK.
  3. It's a $1,000 premium so like $5995. apparently the pictures are broken? I can't see them anymore.
  4. Parasound works great. Sold many A23+ to go with these. The metal heads that are half deaf really enjoy the A21+. However, that's not necessary for most people. The impedance dip at the tuning frequency on rf-7's is the biggest issue with amps, some don't like that too much at higher volume.
  5. 1. Local piano mover is the only way to fly. They are trained, in shape, have the proper equipment, and have proper insurance. We even reimburse this expense up to $500. Your typical freight company who offers white glove can’t do it. Dealers aren’t typically going to send an army of four people to move them unless the installation is very easy. Liability and risk of moving these things where stairs or other obstacles are involved is just too high. Letting us pay you to hire a local piano mover is the best solution. 2. last I checked they are still making 75th on demand. They did not fill up all the allocated spots. That may have changed very recently but I doubt it. Most of my guys are on a budget and the special editions are harder to move or else I would have stocked some. I do have the walnuts in stock. Zero wait. But I think I can still get some 75th.
  6. We don't have to have the same market penetration. All we need to do is know how to attract the cool kids.
  7. Totally free event. Open house at PHT. October 22, this Saturday, 420 North 7th Street, Paducah KY. Live music from 12-6 including Leight July, world champion thumb picker Alonzo Pennington, and J.D. Wilkes of the Legendary Shack Shakers. At least one pair of Jubilees will be up and going, trying to have a second pair outside for the live music. Every Heritage speaker plus most major Reference Premier speakers on demo. Like all day. Pre-game and post-game shenanigans, the cool kids are coming Friday night. Meet at least a few of the Klipsch insiders including legendary reps Mike Dyer and Mark Hittle. Possibly product manager Chad Charleston. Roy was going to come but something came up. Several of the Facebook regulars are coming. Myself, Steven, several people flying in. more info here: https://www.facebook.com/events/6235571816472342/
  8. Could very well be. I tried to do this with RF-7II's and quickly realized that this horn firing directly into your ear from 2' away was just not fun whatsoever. I highly prefer the RP-502S on the sides if your outside seats are near the speakers. Doing this is actually the most correct for an Atmos system but some speakers are ok with listening near field like that. Personally I love Klipsch and all but I ain't firing a horn from a Klipsch tower directly into my ear at a 90 degree angle from 2' away, you couldn't pay me enough. Just depends on how much room you have. We did put a 7 channel 8000F system in a guy's house but his room was literally 50' wide. That's different.
  9. I have had very good luck with the Cyrus Stereo 200. Plus it's half width so there's less clutter. There are no gain knobs to jack up either. You can have two Stereo 200's, a preamp, and a streamer, in literally a 4U space which is the size of a typical receiver. Their Pre-XR is very nice, specifically made to be ultra low noise. Retails for $5,500 is the only bad part. That's what I use tho. They are made in England too, which some people appreciate. In my setup even with a cheaper streamer, if you hit the pause button, I literally have to stick my head in the 402 horn with my face up against that driver to hear anything at all, and I have pretty sensitive ears. Just dead flat silent realistically speaking.
  10. In this case it's a pretty small increase. Two chassis, two power supplies, two wires, two boxes, two shipping bills, pretty easily explainable. HOWEVER, since we are digging up old threads, I gotta say, please do NOT buy a HINT6 and use it on K-horns. The biggest difference is that the HINT6 does NOT have a gain knob, while the A23+ does. If you hear a noise floor, which you will, there is no way to turn it down. Otherwise I think the HINT6 is a great unit but the lack of a gain knob makes it a no go for K-horns. Just don't do it.
  11. I did mention removable. Plus they would be on the back where it’s painted. All it would take is a few tapped threads for machine screws. Once it is in place you could unscrew the screws, remove the handles, reinstall the screws, and there would only be a few screw heads showing the back corner. I counted 22 screw heads on the back panel of the prototype, not sure what a few extra would hurt. But none of this matters because it’s not going to happen.
  12. off-axis response among multiple seating positions is actually far superior with them being vertical and it's easily provable. Much flatter. With it being horizontal you get wonky dips in the response from lobing / comb filtering shenanigans.
  13. Unfortunately, it's an insanely huge liability and almost impossible to pull this off. You would basically have to go into the piano moving business. Literally. Issues with them: 1. They are so heavy that four people are required just to pick the things up, and even then it's not super safe. I don't even know where I could find four employees to be trained then work part time and go on business trips at the very low volume that these will be selling at. 2. They are not square so you can't use those straps that they use for some gun safes. I had floated the idea to Roy that maybe there could be a removable jig that makes the back be more square so these straps could be used but that isn't going to happen. 3. That back corner is just really hard to hang on to. I had also floated the idea to Roy that some kind of handle be installed even if it were removable which I'd still like to see but I don't think that's going to happen. 4. Getting these up even a small staircase in the garage, to a landing, then turn a 90 degree angle, is going to be insane. Literally every installation anybody has seen at this point has been in hotel ballrooms or outside or a commercial dealer showroom where you can just roll a pallet jack up to where you want them, but doing things like twisting on this landing while holding them up and not scratching them is going to be really tough. 5. Almost every sale is going to be in a different state. There are local laws, local tax, local insurance. You can't just decide to go install 400+ pound speakers in people's houses on a whim. Honestly I don't even know what to do as a professional service. It's just so far beyond the scope of a typical home theater installation. The only thing I know to do is to reimburse people for a local piano mover to be hired. I've literally been thinking about this and debating about all this and talking to Roy and others about this, for the entire past year. It's not exactly a case of laziness.
  14. He and others always say "the smaller the room, the bigger the horn". Short story is that they'll work fine in a small room. However, and this may solicit a half angry response from the Klipsch gods, but my only thing that I'd even remotely caution about is that these are true full range speakers, and as such, they can extend down lower than where a small room's cabin gain will start. In other words, lower bass may be stronger in a small room, which most people would love, but it may make some recordings sound a little bloated. I've heard these things in the lab, in a very large reflective room at Axpona, in a very large treated room in Indianapolis, and outside. The low bass is noticeably different in the lab. This is one of the reasons I wish the DSP was not locked so we didn't have to buy a second one and do two ADA conversions if we wanted to smooth the bass out.
  15. This was my sale, but regardless, I'm curious as to how any of the delays could possibly be any dealer's fault. There has been one delay after another. One time the wood vendor shipped veneer that wasn't matched so they had to start all over. There were delays after they realized that the Jubilees had to use the paint booth for La Scala and Klipschorn and there wasn't unlimited capacity so they had to figure some things out. etc., etc., .etc. We have been in communication with literally every detail we heard about, this entire time, he got both official and unofficial details and explanations. Michael got one of the first pair of the normal walnut ones once they started shipping. His money has been sitting in escrow which is stressful for me but given the situation that's what needed to happen. So please, school me on what I should have done better with these issues, I'd honestly like to know.
  16. First of all it's not me saying they can only be distinguished when heard side by side. Depends on the room and material. Too many variables. Also don't forget that our memory as it pertains to audio is literally about 6 seconds long. Side by side takes the room and material and memory variables out of the equation, all of which are significant That being said, all I know is that when I listen to a Tool song at higher volumes in a reflective room with 3's, it's going to be uncomfortable, and the upper bass just doesn't have the slam that a halfway high caliber speaker ought to. Those are two very simple yet important things. The 4 is a noticeable improvement on things like this. I mean it's obvious, even without them being side by side, being played months apart. If you literally can't tell the difference at all then don't ask me to explain to you why.
  17. Right, because I just make up random crap just to sell stuff. Look, I'm stuck with some Forte 3's at this point. I'd love to move them. I have also been lobbying for Klipsch to be able to provide an upgrade kit because I believe that Forte 3 owners should be able to get the better sound without having to buy Forte 4's. Literally, Klipsch, please make upgrade kits so I don't have to sell 4's to 3 owners. So there's that.
  18. That being said, given the situation, I fully believe that Forte 3 users deserve an upgrade kit if at all possible. If the cabinet had changed, sure, make them buy the new version. But it hasn't. Woofer is the same. And the cabinet. and the radiator. and the mid horn. The biggest difference is the crossover and the compression driver on the mid horn. and yeah there's a new phase plug on the tweeter that's in question. Customers shouldn't have to return or sell their Forte 3's just to buy something that's almost the same thing. It's a significant financial burden on the customer and/or the dealer for no good reason, one that many aren't wiling to take on, yet they could be enjoying the same improved sound for a significantly lower price. Klipschorn upgrade kits are available and allowed. If those are, I don't understand why Forte 3 guys can't upgrade to the 4's.
  19. The biggest problem with the Forte 3 is that the crossovers had somewhat of a budget cap. The new ones didn't have the same restrictions and have a more complex crossover. You can easily tell the difference. It's warmer, much more comfortable at higher volumes especially in an untreated room, and the upper bass actually has some slam / punch, as a good speaker should. The woofer and radiator and cabinet is actually the exact same thing but anybody who comes to the conclusion that it should sound the same has obviously neglected the crossover issue. The Forte 3's are plenty pleasant on a lot of material but the problem is that in a highly reflective room they can be very harsh at higher volumes plus the upper bass just isn't there. Forte 4's fix all of these shortcomings. Some material like mellow jazz piano, you may not notice a huge difference. Fire up some Tool at high volumes and it's a different story. It's not insignificant. It's not imperceptible. It's not small. Nobody who has heard both would say this.
  20. Unfortunately that's bullshit. It's a huge difference. Biggest difference I could ever imagine on a new version of the same speaker. That's wny king bonehead was asking if you heard them side by side. It's not the same. Like at all. Imperceptible is delusional.
  21. You haven't even mentioned a gain knob. The perfect integrated amp would have a separate gain knob for the amplifier but none exist that I am aware of. Sounds stupid but strap a HINT6 to some Klipschorns and you can hear the noise floor pretty obviously. If you get that same setup but in separates form you have a gain knob, yet it's almost the same thing, the preamp is literally identical.
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