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I am assuming GFY is "good for you"??

I was afraid of that answer. The first sub I brought up was a 10" Dayton Titanic with a 250 watt Dayton plate amp (ported) The second time around, I brought up one of my two 12" Dayton RS series subs along with an outboard Dayton SA1000 amp. I use two separate boxes each with a 12" with this amp for my HT in my basement. This amp let me limit the signal to the Belles @ 80 hz and then also adjust the crossover to the sub along with the gain. Some music did seem better but most seemed exaggerated in the low end. I am sure my room plays into this as well. Don't get me thinking again. I am happy with the sound I get from these wonderful speakers. I have been looking into building a horn sub (I love woodworking and have a cnc router at work that makes things much easier and no sawdust in my garage!!) Space in my living room would be an issue.

If it bothers you, do it or it will always be in the back of your mind. I would not think it would have any affect, but what I think doesn't matter. It is all about achieving your perceived happy place with your system. I have a personal opinion that Belle's don't need a sub. After reading too much and listening too little, I brought up a sub from my basement (for the second time) and hooked it up an adjusted it many ways and came to the same conclusion. I had to carry it back down, those buggers are heavy and I am too old to keep doing this everytime I read someone else's opinion. At no cost but except time, Switch em around!

Try to make it idiot proof and they build a better idiot.

I don't want to dumb down your thread, but I have had a lot of fun and success with the Lepai 168HA which is a 2.1 amp with 40w x 2 plus 68w x1 for a subwoofer (all exaggerated but that is what the spec says). I have built a 2.1 system for my computer at work with a couple klipsch 1.1 satellites and an 8" Dayton sub. But the most fun is building portable boomboxes. There are many good "full range drivers available (tang band, faital, prv) that pair up well with a small sub (best so far is a 6.5" tang band). The amp is about $27 and the speakers are all reasonable. Can do a cool little boombox for right around $100. I have a cnc router table at work that makes throwing these together and or tweaking the design very easy. I also ran my Belle's with a Dayton DTA 100 for several weeks before I got a chance to run wires to them from my main system and the sound was very good. I am amazed at these little amps.

lay them face down. Muffles the sound but saves the driver. Restore them to upright upon the little darlings departure. They may still climb on them.

how did the new Dayton amp work out? Since I last posted on this thread, I had an opportunity to try out the Yung. A coworker had a JBL sub with a blown amp and wanted to spend as little as possible to fix. PE had the Yung on sale for under $100 so I pulled the plug and got it for him. It is very small and light weight but when put into action, performed well. It was driving a 12 inch subwoofer with ease. I would still give the nod to the Dayton but felt the Yung held it's own. Just to clarify, it was the 200 watt Yung I used not the 300 you were looking at.

You are both right, but talking about different drivers. There is the Kappa 15C with 2.4 Xmax and 11.6 Xlim and the Kappa Pro 15LFC with 7.9 Xmax not sure of Xlim. BUT which is preferred?

If you want to keep your tweets, the 4500 is not the right choice as you will likely damage the K77. If cost is the issue, it ends up being very close in price with the 4500 plus the CT125 as the crossover is much less.

I too have the same experience. I switched out my AB crossover in my Belles to the Crites 4500 which meant I almost had to go with the CT125 as that crossover point would test the lower limits of my K-77 s. I also don't know how far gone my old crossovers were (manufactured in '88) but word on the street was that the AB's weren't very good even when new. All I know is that the sound is very much improved to my taste (most of the time). A times they sound wonderful but other times not so much. I keep telling myself that I need to listen to the music more and the speakers less and then I am happy again. It's all about your tastes and there will always be times where you want to try something a little different. All I know is the sound wonderful. There will always be upgrades and updates but at the end of the day, I just want clean undistorted music and that's what I got. Of course that it what I said with my Hersey's and my RB61s and I still went out and got the Belle's.

re boost: makes changing you mind a little more difficult. With the Dayton you can try either way without packing back up and sending back and deciding you liked it the first way! I change my mind all the time, mostly because I dont respect my own oppinions. BTW I never end up using the boost but it is a preference.

Great! I use Dayton subs all the time and it is reasuring to hear that people that actully know what they are doing use them too. I assume this driver works well in this application as it goes fairly low, has good spl and not an enormous Xmax (but acceptable). The 8" version of this "classic" sub is very good too. I have used it 5 or 6 times and really like it. Mostly in mid-fi applications (boomboxes etc) but always performs and sounds great. I have also used their RS series as i have two 12" 8 ohm versions in by basement in seperate cabinets using their SA1000 outboard amp and they really thump but more importantly sound great with music not just thumping HT. I also picked up a 10" Titanic sub on ebay for a song, and it too impresses me (250 watt Dayton plate amp).

I have used that Dayton (and its predecessor) 4 times and have only had small issues with the auto on function, but performance and longevity have been great. I would guess the oldest is over 5 years without issues. The only complaint i have heard on the Yung is the bass boost is not defeatable. I have not used Or abused one yet.

Just curious, which 10" Dayton did you use?

Do you have an article that helps us uderstand blog arguments, where BS is acceptable and "Total BS" is fightin' words. Dont even get me started with all caps, it just infuriates me. I prefer to hear the tone of someone's voice so I can try to tell if they are teasing or po'd. I also like to see their eyes to see if they are slightly perterbed or furious. It helps me know how to handle my response and sometimes when to duck!

Beautiful build. Dont give your new saw too much of the credit. I have access to a $90,000 cnc router table that i use for my builds and cant touch your work. It is between the ears that builds a sub like that. Henry Ford said "Chop your own wood and it will warm you twice." Having built this yourself must make the music that much sweeter!

I built a small sub for my patio using a marine grade Polk driver. I figured they are designed for boat use so would hold up pretty well. I built a sealed box out of plywood and painted with dura tex from parts express and it has held up well. I am just starting my second summer with it and all is good. I have the amp inside. Ikeep it under a table so it wont get direct rain or sunlight. Sounds very good and adds a nice low end boost to some small Definitive Tech outdoor speakers. Not audiophile but much nicer than most patio sound systems. I dont see any reason it wouldn't work under the deck as well. You still might want to crawl under there and bring it in for the winter.

I have read through this post but cannot find any mention of what they are currently listening to. That may help when making a reccomendation or shed light as to their "passion" for music/stereo gear.. As fun as it would be to spend someone else's $20,000 on stereo gear I would like, I dont think that is the case here. I agree with Preston Tom that I have helped people with stereo set ups in the past only to find out they never figure out how to use it correctly, or adjust it to fit the decor, etc. My brother in laws wife had him remove the subwoofer because it didn't go with the room! I would keep it very simple with quality components and let them keep the left over $10,000.

Good to hear you are happy with your purchase. Kinda knew you would be. Good choices on your first listen (I had to look up Chris Standring). I went a little harder route and played Pride and Joy by Stevie Ray Vaughan for my first song but settled down after that. I know I'm in the minority but don't feel the need for a sub woofer with the Belle's. I am a subwoofer guy with over 1250 watts driving 3 subs in my basement (I even have a sub on my patio), but I hooked one up for a while with my Belles and ended up lugging it back downstairs after a couple days. I guess everyone's tastes are different. Your set up looks great too, eyes wide open! I may get my RTR out of storage and dust it off after seeing your set up.

We (well most of us) knew they would look good, how do they sound? You are now much cooler than you were yesterday to at least 1% of the population. That's a good thing! PS What was the first song you played on your new Belle's?

Ignore my earlier post, the 2" Selenium are much more expensive and don't handle 400hz very well. I need to stop trying to operate from memory. It's the second thing to go!

There are also 2" models available (go to PE website). I didnt want to comment on a driver I had not used, just the one that I did. Specs look good on the larger driver as well, not quite as economical but still a few bucks cheaper than the Pyle. Good luck.

I am not going to steer you in any direction but I will tell you my experience. I stopped using Pyle many years ago for a wide range of reasons but have NO experience with the one you have choosen. I have used the Selenium D250X (same as Crites offers but I got from PE) and absoluely love them. They are less than half the price also. Now I put them in a pair of Speakerlab Model 6's that I originally built in 1980, so that is not quite up to par with a Klipschorn. Thats my 2 cents.

Try to straighten out the bent one first, but be VERY careful or it will break. I give it just under a 50/50 chance, but if it works you're back in business right away and for free. Good Luck!

Double check the connection to the amp (DIN plug). There are several small pins on this connection (6 or 7 I think) if one or possibly more are bent over, this could cause your problem. They are very fragile and can get bent if the plug is not pushed straight in. Since you had just disconnected and reconnected, this may have occurred. You can VERY carefully try to bend the pin back into position but it might just break off. I fixed one for a friend of mine's son but had to pick up a new cord on ebay. They are on there regularly. You will have to splice all of the tiny little wires to each other and it does not make for a very pretty connecting cord, but it gets it working again cheaply. They are under $10 including shipping. Try the warranty route IbizaFlame suggests first but if it isn't covered, try the new cord