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  1. Hey all,

     

    So I am a hairs width away from ordering the in ceiling pro 180rpc http://www.klipsch.com/products/pro-180rpc-in-ceiling-speaker

     

    And in doing so I had only been looking at side profiles on where to install them in the ceiling not the top view, as you can see in the picture I attached the red circles are where I thought they we supposed to go.  (The grey rectangle on the right is another couch).

     

    Now...riddle me this...if these new fangled in ceiling speakers don't have aim-able  tweeters, should I be putting them where the suggested location is?  I don't know how to tag Cory for these posts.....

     

     

     

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  2. 1 hour ago, holtrp said:

    Sorry, been busy today.

     

    Yeah, I don't see why it wouldn't.

     

    It is tough to find from within the klipsch website, but you can google RB-51 and it should take you to the archived page which has spec sheets where you could compare frequency response and specs with the newer stuff. I highly doubt the R-15M is vastly different from the RB-51 or RB-51II.

     

    I do remember seeing some ceiling mounts but it might not have been at Parts Express. Check Monoprice, pretty sure they will have something if PE doesn't Just be careful to not exceed the weight rating and get your lag bolts / screws into a solid stud. My bookshelves aren't super heavy, but I know the RB-61 was less than 5lbs under the weight limitation when I was still researching what I wanted to do. 

     

    Ok, I am going to start sniffing around and see what I can find...I am still unsure if I am going to go Atmos or not! Lol, but this THIS is a great idea and should work perfectly for my room!

  3. 7 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    But more importantly, look at the decay times.  The top one is actually in the range specified for a good room, .3 to .5s decay time.   But the bottom one, as you can see, it highly treated an at that measuring position (they vary a bit, but are simliar), the decay time is just under .2s.  So what's the difference?  Tight, punchy, awesome theater like sound downstairs.....lighter, airier, brighter music upstairs.  Both can play either, but each is specialized for what it does best.  The upstairs in fact would still benefit from some acoustic panels, which may happen at some point, but I have resisted the temptation to take over the entire house with my hobby :)

     

    I just read through that entire AWESOME post, thank you so much!

     

    I will probably re read it a zillion times and takes notes BUT my big question is how the heck do you "measure" the room?  

  4. 2 hours ago, Loudnobnoxious said:

     

    After I recalibrated my tv and properly set up the audio and some sound panels, I watched this entire franchise and it was like watching a new movie.  There is so much detail that you mis when your equipment isn't set up properly.  The forest battle scene is another great scene but that one is from Revenge of the Fallen.

     

    Lol, not to sound obnoxious but there are only two reasons I can watch these...One is for my son, two is for the sound and three is nostalgia and four is to keep hope alive. (I'm also bad at counting)

     

    But seriously the sound is just incredible!!  And until I get those sound panels if I turn it up too loud it kind of erases all of the surround effects.

     

     

  5. 36 minutes ago, holtrp said:

    Oh yeah, they are outside of the mains mounted to the sidewall. My mains are maybe 18" angled in from the sidewall. I was just referenced front to back in the room, the front height are closer to the listener than the mains, but that is just because of my room and where i had to move them forward a little bit. Ideally they would be flush. 

     

    I think the RB-61's I found were like $200 and the RB-51's were $150. It is just the series of speaker. I own all Ref IV gear, RF-83, RC-64, RS-52. The next series that came out in the reference line was Ref II, which was RF-7, etc. It is just a preference thing for me. I don't think it matters if you mix and match different series of reference gear as the specs are pretty much the same since they launched them.

     

    I am really happy with it. It sounds fantastic to my ear.

     

     

    You think the R-15M would cut it?  Sorry OP this is really saving my life over here lol

     

  6. 21 minutes ago, holtrp said:

    Oh yeah, they are outside of the mains mounted to the sidewall. My mains are maybe 18" angled in from the sidewall. I was just referenced front to back in the room, the front height are closer to the listener than the mains, but that is just because of my room and where i had to move them forward a little bit. Ideally they would be flush. 

     

    I think the RB-61's I found were like $200 and the RB-51's were $150. It is just the series of speaker. I own all Ref IV gear, RF-83, RC-64, RS-52. The next series that came out in the reference line was Ref II, which was RF-7, etc. It is just a preference thing for me. I don't think it matters if you mix and match different series of reference gear as the specs are pretty much the same since they launched them.

     

    I am really happy with it. It sounds fantastic to my ear.

     

    Thats funny because I have RF-83, RC-64 and the 4 surrounds are RP 250s

     

    Now riddle me this batman, Those mounts you used for the bookshelves, do they have similar ones that would mount to the ceiling?  Of course I will look after I send this...but in case you knew for sure....

  7. 4 minutes ago, holtrp said:

    Yeah, I am out of town right now and I don't have any pictures with me.

     

    Same problem though. 9' ceilings in the front of the room but only 7.5' in the rear as they get shorter with a heating duct over head. Plus, I had ceiling speakers in my last home for rear surround for a while so I know what they sound like. They were in a coffered ceiling and they were fine, they make noise, but they are no match for a bookshelf that can be pointed towards you. 

     

    So, I got on the forums and the ebay, found two pairs of reasonably priced ref IV bookshelves and grabbed a pair of these mounts from PE https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-shadow-mount-swmhd-heavy-duty-adjustable-speaker-wall-mount-pair--182-3300?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pla

     

    Front height are on the side walls approx ~1' forward of the main L / R channel with the top of the speaker maybe 6" from touching the ceiling.  Rear height are as close to the corners as I can get them on the rear and side wall (door) in the same configuration with about 6" of room between the ceiling and top of the speaker.

     

    I just looked (on Klipsch) and I am not sure what the ref IVs are, BUT how much per pair are we talking (new)? $199? $249? Just curious.

     

    I wont be able to put the front heights in front of the main L and R but I can put them above and "outside" of them.  Make sense?  They would be above and maybe an inch or two completely on the outside of them.

     

    But I do like how you think, and I am really REALLY tempted to do this....

     

     

  8. 3 hours ago, holtrp said:

    I've only had my 7.1.4 atmos up and running for about a month. Only watched maybe 2 blurays with actual atmos encoding, but played a ton of games, streamed shows and movies. I haven't even run room correction yet or level matched my subs to the new pre pro and speakers. 

     

    I am definitely more impressed with Atmos than I was from the jump from 5.1 to 7.1 which I still struggle to notice a difference with. Atmos is much more immersive than 5.1 or 7.1 and it isn't just a gimmicky thing like "WOW! Did you hear that? The sound came all around but from the ceiling! And then it circled those 4 speakers!"

     

    To be sure, watch any atmos demo and you're sure to see the most gimmicky gimmicks it has to offer, like the tropical rain forest with the howler monkey coming from the front right height speaker and the birds and wind circling around the room. What I have noticed the most out of Atmos is just how wider and taller the sound stage is now in my room with not only atmos content but with all content. You really feel surrounded by sound and everything is more immersive. I am glad I went with full bookshelf reference speakers opposed to in ceiling or up firing too. I am sorry, but I just can't buy that you will ever get decent sound bouncing it off the ceiling or trying to install what are essentially car stereo speakers in the ceiling without a real enclosure and then aiming them straight down at the floor. Not that you can't get good theater sound out of it, but I would still recommend bookshelves over in ceiling or up firing if you can swing it. 

     

    Hey I have been thinking about going dolby atmos but my ceilings are kinda low 7.5' so its kinda hard to get the up firing speakers without putting them in really weird spots.  And I do worry about in ceiling speakers that will sound too bright/hot/piercing.

     

    Could you please show me how you have the book shelf heights set up?  Thanks so much!

     

     

  9. On 8/30/2017 at 10:19 AM, RoboKlipsch said:

    there are 1x4 panels too.  if i have time ill take a pic of mine but yes treating a corner is very key.  mirror trick will tell you where u need panels.  in your case with the back wall close you will almost def want some there...but understanding bass traps is important to.   the final key after early reflections is to reduce the decay time in the bass region.  then u get that tight bass of a theater.  

     

    You kinda know my room by now, where are you thinking to place the bass traps?  Are you meaning the corner bass traps?  The two flat 4" panels for the back wall are considered bass traps because they are 4" thick.

     

    Ohohoh....what about the ceiling?

     

    I am curious to see how this turns out because if our dog barks in the basement, or I yell at the kids :o theres that strange metallic echo that happens.  Don't know quite how to explain it.

    We dont have carpet on the floor, we did until the puppy came, but I just decided to get rid of it because we are constantly moving furniture or playing video games and blah blah blah.  But I was thinking maybe a fun death star throw rug in the middle for fun.  What say you oh Klipsch master??

     

     

  10. 28 minutes ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    there are 1x4 panels too.  if i have time ill take a pic of mine but yes treating a corner is very key.  mirror trick will tell you where u need panels.  in your case with the back wall close you will almost def want some there...but understanding bass traps is important to.   the final key after early reflections is to reduce the decay time in the bass region.  then u get that tight bass of a theater.  

     

    okay I ordered 2 of Acoustimac DMD-412 Acoustic Panels 48"X12"X2" and 2 of Acoustimac DMD-BT4000 Bass Traps 48"X24"X4" 

     

    I hope that will help man.....

  11. On 8/8/2017 at 3:32 PM, RoboKlipsch said:

    The cheapest acoustic panels I have found made by pros came from -- http://www.mixmasteracoustics.com

    They are inexpensive, don't charge for delivery, and usually have a $25 off coupon for a first purchase.

     

    Acoustimac is another excellent source, as is GIK acoustics.

    If you want to build your own, I have other ideas for you.  But for your first couple panels it makes sense to buy them and see what they should look, feel like etc.

     

    Acoustic treatment is a whole subject requiring a lot of discussion but the basic gist is, you need panels where reflections are strong.

    This tends to be from the front L, C and R speakers.  So someone takes a mirror....yes a hand mirror, and holds it on the left wall roughly half-way between the central listening position, and the speaker itself.  The mirror is moved until at the seated position, you "see" that speaker in the mirror.  The mirror is at the reflection point for that speaker at that seat.  You do this for the L, C and R speakers, and then note where they are on the walls.  You can often cover all 3 speakers on the side with one 2x4 (foot) panel.  Sometimes it takes 2 per side.  You would do the same for the right side.  Yes, you need a helper for this, you can't hold the mirror and sit at the same time.  I use a light of some sort on the speaker to help make finding it easier in the mirror.

     

    The typical first reflection problem points are on the side walls, from the front speakers.  In some rooms, in some setups, you need panels elsewhere.  Because of how close you may sit to the back wall, panels on the back wall may help absorb reflections that are close (that back wall) and thereby reduce the "noise" and improve the clarity of all the speakers.  So again a bit of legwork to discover what you may need is critical here.  

     

    From that info you can see why finding the proper seating position and speaker position needs to be done first, then absorption can be done based upon the layout.  it doesn't hurt to buy a few panels as you will definitely use them, but what color, what size, how many, are all easy to discern but take some work.

     

    I would recommend 4" panels if in the room there will only be a few, you cannot have too much 4" absorption (you can, but that's a ton of panels).   2" panels are a bit cheaper and will also work.  The difference is how low it absorbs.  At 2" panels, it goes down to roughly 250hz and a bit lower but the abosrption is low down below 250.  a 4" panel will get you closer to 100hz, with a bit under that too. 

     

    It's gonna work and work well.  It is a bit frustrating moving things around I know, but it WILL work.  Keep tweaking, as much as you can stand to listen and tweak the positions.  They will dial in and quickly you'll say -- "THAT'S IT!"  because it either sounds incredible, or you simply cannot improve it.  Since you are going with on-walls, you'll have the ability to fine tune their position and even change it, as you modify your room.  

     

    Ok I think its time for sound panels because sometimes I am in love with this system and then I go back and listen again and think "hmmm...something is not quite right".

     

    I think that I need a panel that will go around that corner, is this something that I am going to have to make myself?  I checked the three websites and I didn't see THIS type of panel.  What if I did two 12"x48"x2"?

     

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  12. 5 hours ago, MetropolisLakeOutfitters said:

    It would work but we're just around the corner from having the pro line with the new RP-style horn.  I've heard them side by side, the new ones are more pleasant.  The 5800's have somewhat of a bright hot spot which may not be as pleasant with a lower ceiling, they are just kind of piercing at 9' and 7.5' would just be more of the same.  If it were me I'd wait for these new ones if possible.  Just depends on how big of a hurry you are. Oh and the new mounting style is super cool, dude. ;)  

     

    Well well well...look who just has allllll the answers! :D

     

    I worried that the entire thing will be too bright and piercing no matter what.  So when are these new bad boys gonna come out?  C'mon man details, DETAILS! 

     

     

    5 hours ago, MetropolisLakeOutfitters said:

    Oh and the new mounting style is super cool, dude. ;)  

     

    Pictures or it didn't happen....and I seee what you did there!!

  13. Heyyyyyyyyy you crazy kids,

     

    SO, the last thing I am looking to do before completing this upgrade is ATMOS.

     

    I am eyeballing this receiver http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/pionsclx701/pioneer-elite-sc-lx701-9.2-ch-x-135-watts-networking-a/v-receiver/1.html#!specifications

     

    But curious about two things:

     

    1.  My ceiling in the basement is 7.5' juuuuuust under the 8-9 foot recommendation by Dolby https://blog.dolby.com/2014/06/dolby-atmos-home-theaters-questions-answered/  and probably too long for the Klipsch Dolby Speakers http://www.klipsch.com/products/elevation-speakers?model=rp-140sa.  Am I right in this assumption?

     

    2.  Would (4) Klipsch in ceiling speakers work instead? http://www.klipsch.com/products/reference-in-ceiling-speakers?model=cdt-5800-c-ii

     

  14. 40 minutes ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    Forgot to add Fight Club, one of my all-time favorites and one that few really realize is so good

     

    A lot of people love music, a lot love HT, some love both.  This movie (I'm throwing it in for a partial watch) is the best combination of both possibly ever.  Not that the music is better than other movies but only a few times have soundtracks so closely mirrored the personalities in the movie.  IMO one of the very best movies made actually.  

     

    I dare you, in fact I actually caution you NOT to, try and watch the plane crash scene at full reference.  I have not allowed myself to do it yet.  I'm not afraid at all for the system itself, but me.  It's beyond frightening and ear-shattering.   I still consider it one of the most impressive HT moments.

     

    The entire movie however has a running Chemical Brothers soundtrack that is incredible in the right room.  

     

    Well looks like I will be shopping at my favorite place on earth...Amazon Prime!!  Hey how about the movie Flight with Denzel Washington...That plane crash must sound amazing!!

     

  15. 5 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    Awesome!

     

    When I mentioned Transformers, I was actually thinking of the intro with the Stars, my young son loves that and laughs every time.

    Really, every action movie has some great sweeping surround, it's just not usually as simple as put in X and play track Y, but there are some of those.

     

    Oh yeah, those stars are absolutely the best part, I think we have listened to that like 20 times already if not more.

     

    5 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    WOW is one of the very best for surround sound, in fact really subwoofers even moreso, one of my top hits

    i've been collecting the "best" of surround sound home theater in blu-ray form for many months now

     

    I have always loved that movie, the lightning storm sounded fantastic!

     

    5 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    all i can tell you is a friend endlessly argues (with no backup at all) that he thinks streaming is as good as blu-ray.  I laugh and remind him, um yeah but you still are using old school connections that DON'T EVEN ALLOW for Master Audio HD tracks...I think he is using the S-cable still.  Is that what they're called I don't even remember it's so outdated....Blu-Ray beats any and all broadcast forms imo, even 4K.  I have a 4K TV and high end broadcast, and even streaming 4k from Netflix or Amazon doesn't cut it.  Blu-Ray is SUPERIOR to that still imo.  

     

    Thats kinda funny and kinda irritating.  I have literally given away like 700 DVDs because I either had them on blu ray, on iTunes, or haven't watched them like EVER or mayyybe once.  And then I though "perfect now I will just get everything on iTunes and save the shelf space" but now I am realizing blu ray is better.  Sigh.

     

     

    5 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    Bottom line is COMPRESSION, there is no way they can ever send us all the data in a blu-ray streaming and do so for everyone across the country at a reasonable cost....thus they compress the SXXX out of everything and often make it suck.  As one friend here at the forum puts it, they even go so far as to lop off the top and bottom end of many movies....you'll "know" what a movie should sound like, put on your system and laugh and say wait are the subs on?  Yes?  Oh it's another sxxx recording.

     

    I think the very last piece of the puzzle is the receiver.  I need to upgrade it.  I had an very good opportunity to get a Marantz, but money ran out and it wasn't the lastest technology which also gave me pause.  I do think I will start a thread on receivers, I have been starting to research but its just so much overwhelming information I need to sit, read and take notes like I would in a class!

     

    5 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    Truth is...as you are learning (and I am too, very much) that what you heard BEFORE was sxxx, not now.  Now the quality of your playback is good enough that you can tell when something sucks, or is subpar.  Even worse, as someone growing up in the 80's and 90's, most music then and before was recorded rather poorly....and thus, when you play it back in your system, it may kind of suck!  And then you'll hear a remastered version in 5.1 or 7.1 and you'll freak going....ah my system is just fine it's the recording that sucks.  That whole concept of moving up the quality of your playback is very, very exciting and something few people understand or bother to do.  People watch what, on average 4+ hours of TV a day but don't bother to calibrate the sound...or the picture?  Yuck.  Lazy and uninformed....

     

    I've owned Gravity for a while on blu-ray and no matter what else you do, for $9 on Amazon, get it, it's the best pinpoint sound recording to date imo.  However having said that, the sound quality is still decent enough coming through cable or streaming to get the effect.  I saw Gravity in the IMAX theater in 3D, a very empty theater (the only way I do it), and then I watched it at home on cable, then on blu-ray multiple times, I know that track!  

     

    -- In the theater, IMAX tuned as good as can be, me sitting in the middle.  The sound in a theater is massive, much more powerful sounding in a big theater.  But that first 20 minutes consists of mostly talk, with some music from Clooney's radio.  That intro starts it, where there's a sizzling shimmering tone that is the same tone they use later when the ISS is breaking up.  First remember this -- although you may have a 7.1 system, and the theater may have also, really the way these are recorded is to sound like a perfect 5.1 system, even if using 7.1.  So there were really only 4 places to listen to (this is all, non-Atmos mind you) -- front left, front right, back left, and back right.  Now, I'm talking sitting probably 30 or 40 feet from the back surrounds.  YET during the movie, it sounded like someone in the row behind me was talking, almost whispering directly in my ear.  THAT good.  And at home it is the same.  4 precise points, although believe it or not, the back left is not used much in this instance, has much to do with the position of the shuttle, earth and our viewpoint.  Believe it or not -- you likely wouldn't know this -- that first 12 minutes or so right up until the ISS explodes is actually ONE CONTINUOUS SHOT.  It wasn't actually shot that way of course, but watch it again and you'll see it...they spent I think 3 years filming this movie and that intro was the Oscar winner.  NOW...to complicate it further, I believe that Gravity was one of the first Atmos movies and certainly the first to win an Oscar.  So with an Atmos system, there is even more to consider as the height was carefully controlled in this movie relative to the viewing.  Anyway...get the blu-ray already!  You've been thinking about that too long, if you don't have Amazon Prime let me know I'll send you a copy and you can decide if it's worth sending me $9 :)

     

    Okay okay...I ordered it already lol :)  And holy COW I was sitting there thinking I dont hear anything coming from the left back...I though I was doing something wrong.

     

     

    5 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    I found the first four transformer movies on ebay for I think $16 total....bought a "set" that had 3 of the 4 for $12...and had happened somehow to buy the other one for $4 elsewhere before that, making a complete set.  That's how to get sets or larger lots of blurays...get them on ebay.  But singles are often as cheap on amazon when shipping is included.

     

    You know, this is the only way I will watch those movies.....for the sound....

     

    5 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    A few other top action titles that show off surround:

     

    > Edge of Tomorrow

    > Twister

    > Battleship

    > Mad Max Fury Road

    > For an interesting and cheap 7.1 "music" blu-ray, the Doors Movie.  Amazing to hear those older songs mastered into 7.1

    > 300

    > Olympus has Fallen / London has Fallen

    > Kill Bill Vol 1 and 2

     

    Plenty more if you want recommendations.  

     

    Man, give Unbreakable a try.  Especially the last three chapters.  It was really nice, I am biased though I love that movie.

     

    5 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:

     

    As for DTS vs Dolby, they are two COMPANIES, and have built differing codecs for how their sound is coded and then decoded.  In general, DTS was WAY better years ago, and today imo is still a bit better.  So given the choice, DTS is a slightly better coding, but when it comes to Master Audio, I doubt there's much difference you can hear, both are uncompressed.

     

    So then the question is:  The receiver, it needs to be able to decode all of the different formats, is that right?  

     

    5 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:

     

    OK the ceiling....all the answers are already here in this forum.  Search a bit or ask about it, but each question you have is a thread here that's been discussed recently.  Many people asking about what is needed for Atmos -- you need to google the manual and read it - I have, and I doubt I'll ever get it!  But reading it told me the answers to most of what you're asking.  14 foot ceiling is their ideal spec, but it works in most ceilings.  In ceiling is considered by those discussing it here (and MLO, who sells it) to be superior for effect.  Most have said that 2 speakers for Atmos is not enough, you want more.  4 perhaps.  As I had mentioned before, make sure if SOUNDPROOFING that it will achieve the desired effect.  Sound control within the room to sound good is easy...soundproofing to keep sound from leaving the room is much, much more difficult and expensive, but is done frequently.  

     

    Yeah we are soundPROOFing, its going to be expensive but we really need to do it.  This has been a dream of mine for a very long time...to be able to watch and enjoy without worrying I am disturbing the rest of the household.  I'm sure when my kids are older (they even do it now) they will want to watch a movie in the basement and I will be like "Turn that down dammit!!"  Lol

     

    As far as Atmos is concerned it was getting excited about it but really need to decide what I am doing before we have the ceiling done starting November 6th. 

     

    5 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:

     

    Believe it or not -- the very best in surround sound still comes from games.  XBOX or PS4 will demonstrate this well, but omg some games the sound is insanely impressive, and immersive.  Most movies assume the viewer is looking at the screen and the action...some games do too.  But others assume more that you are "in" the game, so that where you sit is in the battlefield, or in the environment.  This causes there to be much more obvious and severe surround sound that can be absolutely astounding.  Battlefield, Call of Duty, Steep, Far Cry, Grand Theft Auto are but a few of the truly remarkable ones.

     

    I dont even have the Xbox One connected to the receiver, I am going to have to do that now!  

     

    5 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    You know your surround sound is working well when you pause it, or crinckle your ear thinking either someone is calling you or you heard a sound elsewhere in the house..and really it was in the recording.  Getting "fooled" is the very best compliment you can give your system.  Same goes for a sub and integration....I blindfold someone and bring them into either theater and play anything they want, they could never, ever tell where the subs are, not even close.  Really well integrated systems are seamless and amazing.  You're already there my friend!   

     

    I wonder if I really have it balanced THAT well.  

     

    5 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:

     

    What is your real name....let me know or PM me, I'm curious...and my name is Rob :)

     

     

     

    LOL its Scott.

     

  16. 21 minutes ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    UPDATE PLEASE!  You've been quiet for over a week I know that means you're deep into it and loving every minute.....

     

     

    Man oh man its been a very big learning experience, THATS for sure.  I am now actually paying attention to what audio tracks come with the blu ray or the itunes movies. It's a little embarrassing to admit how totally ignorant I was/am.  I was happily only buying iTunes movies BUT now I know the most they can do is 5.1, so I have gone back to buying blu rays...not something I thought I would ever do.

     

    The thing to show off the the system is the very opening paramount logo of Transformers Dark of the Moon. and the highway chase scene.  But that is strictly using the blu ray NOT iTunes.  I am very tempted to now buy the iTunes (probably wait until the 5th one comes out and hopefully get a package deal) and really hear what the difference is.  Also we watched War of the Worlds the other day (I love that movie) and it sounded NOICE!  Especially the lightning storm at the beginning. And we are about to watch Batman vs. Superman.

     

    Another thing I would like to do (and hopefully will follow through) is buy the gravity blu ray and compare (and maybe list) speaker and time specific effects of that first 20 minutes.  Just so when people are testing their system they know what to look and listen for.  I know I keep thinking "I think this should be behind me" but it isnt.

     

    And really I don't know the difference between DTS-HD and 7.1.  I don't know if something that is playing in 5.1 can be split into 7.1 by the receiver.  

     

    We are going to have the ceiling made all one leveled height and soundproof it so I am also wondering if I shouldn't get ceiling speakers put in for  Dolby Atmos before everything is all sealed up.  I also don't know if my ceiling is too low for that.  I also don't know if just the Klipsch Reference in ceiling speakers would be good for that.  Or get those cool angled Atmos speakers BUT again the is the ceiling too low for that?  Uggggggggg...

     

    See how much I don't know! 

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  17. 1 hour ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    Reference is a theater standard originally created by Lucas and the THX team.  

     

    105db peaks and 85db white noise matched levels to each channel

    115db peak for lfe

     

    at home calibration is 75db for reference with 30db or 105db peaks

    115db for lfe

     

    most avrs count down from reference

    0  is reference

    -20 is 20db below reference

     

    DEQ engages to add higher output to bass and surrounds at volumes below reference

    as volume gets lower more bass and surrounds are added to mimic the distribution of sound you would hear at reference

     

    at low volume without deq u may not hear much bass or surrounds.  using sophisticated algorithms the mfgs have created dynamic eq to adjust so any volume sounds good not just reference which is often too loud

     

    So I have a great deal on a Marantz - 7002 receiver and a Marantz MM-9000 --5 -channel power amplifier.  I have a feeling that will be a big upgrade from my Yamaha RX-V675 but I really need to hear you guys opinion.  I would have no clue why I would need the amplifier....

     

     

  18. 27 minutes ago, RoboKlipsch said:

    did u fix and paint the wall or cover w posters?  either way looks great!

     

    I just took stuff off of one wall and covered the holes in the wall.  I am seriously considering getting soundproofing done, already have 3 quotes, because I really want to be able to enjoy all this without worrying about the neighbors.

     

    27 minutes ago, RoboKlipsch said:

     

    buy gravity blu ray on amazon its under 10bucks usually

     

    I bought it on iTunes.

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