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I'd probably try and figure out a way to go active 2 way with the K510 and large format driver before all that. My 6 ch McIntosh MC7106 would lend itself very well to that project. I could bridge 320wpc to the LF and 100wpc to each HF or tube amp. The issue is not having a clue how to do an electronic crossover. Its my understanding roy gave the active settings for the Jubilee or using the k402 with la scala lf and people just tweeked from there. Could be wrong and it could be easier than expected?If this is in fact true, then I have no problem saying it is a very poor design choice intended for one single purpose only. What you can do then from this point forward is entirely based on your budget and willingness to move away from the original network. Anyone with the technical capability of measuring and designing a new network for the purpose of solving specific issues with a poorly designed crossover would find it very time consuming and therefore very expensive. There are countless speaker models out there in the world to choose from. A relatively low budget model will never get the attention required to address these kind of things. I own a couple of pairs of speakers, which are of a very highly regarded design, and also happen to have an extremely complex crossover, and parts count alone prevents anyone other than a few motivated owners with high level of talent and knowledge from doing any refinement except on their very own pairs. I am just saying you will likely not locate a tech, service center, or even a DIY'er who will want to do this work at a budget that will commensurate with the value of your speakers. Your choices are very limited. Compromises will need to be made. Or buy new speakers.
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My mistake, Bob did tell me he CAN replace the caps, but that's it.
"First the crossover cannot be built on a separate board. The factory board used interactions between closely spaced parts as part of it’s tuning. All I can do is replace the capacitors. I cannot replace other parts as that would effect the tuning and I cannot modify one crossover type into another type for the same reason." Modifying was in reference to me asking if he could turn a CF-4 V2 network back to V1 and i would have added the longer port tube.
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1 hour ago, 314carpenter said:
MADISOUND
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/
Simple. Send them a crossover schematic and they will build a board for you. Printed circuit using high quality parts. You can choose the level of quality. If you want to tweak a circuit design, just send them a valid schematic with the changes and that is what you will get. They are local for me. I have talked with the owners in person multiple times over the years. They build anything you send them. Not brand specific. They design and sell their own models also.
Send them this
or this
They will look something like this (for demonstration purposes only)
Sounds great, but i don't think either of those are the schematic for the version 1 CF-3 which i can't seem to find. There seems to be a lot of confusion on CF-4 and CF-3 schematics from what i've seen in the past.
EDIT: Both of those schematics are 100% NOT version 1 or version 2 as the red/black wire is noted. I'll keep looking, but i don't think v1 is around anywhere.-
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2 hours ago, billybob said:
Just have the CF-1s. Wonder if that new service here JEM would have a go at yours.
Haven't heard of JEM, here as in where you live or here on the forums?
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Ive seen some on ebay offering work on any speaker and any brand. Cant link as its been a while, but I wonder if someone on ebay offering services could get it done professionally.
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Same for you? Cant get yours worked on?Maybe that was the pair that prompted that response.
Thanks!
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I seem to recall Bob replying to me that he doesn't work on these when I first got my pair. Dean If I recall correctly, told me they were a pain in the *** and he wasn't doing them anymore.I have the cf3s version 1 and had the crossovers upgraded by Bob Crite a few years back and couldn’t be happier with the results.
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Anyone do any crossover work on their CF-3 series 1 and/or KV-4? Capacitor and resistor upgrades with premium parts?
Looking for someone to do the work as i don't think Dean or Bob work on these OR looking to buy plus trade my stock version 1 CF-3 networks for your upgraded networks.
While i'm here, anyone got a pair of CF-4 ver. 1 for me to take off your hands in Texas, Louisiana or Arkansas near Tx border? 😁 -
Might be more of an issue with shipping rather than cabinet build. There were a lot of shipping damaged Forte IIIs. The cabinet did need more bracing though.
What you describe would cease to be a forte, it’s now a chorus.
Out of all the changes you want, I’m not understanding the “better wood cabinet”. What’s wrong with the enclosure of that Forte III?
Shakey
I'm sure passive radiators add to the cost, but removing them and opting for ports even with new mumps ports would be a mistake. The passive radiator is the big draw for it as an in between option from the HIV and CWIV.
I still would love a 2 way w/ 15" driver. K510 or new cornwall horn. Better yet, Roy gives us an Epic CF-4 II. As much as I love the Chorus II, I dont see a place for its return with the Cornwall IV out.
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Yeah, the III already has all the new things. Mumps horn. New compression drivers and tweeter. Iirc Roy voiced it and did the crossover. I cant see where it can be improved into a IV so soon other than reworking the crossover with new compression driver, and tweeter. Doubt they'd make the jump from a 12" driver to 15" and I doubt they'd put the larger horn the cornwall currently usesThe Forte III is not that old , it's got the Mumps horn midrange -- but they got a Heresy IV and a Cornwall IV , so a Forte IV would seem logical , but nothing yet , we''ll know more in Jan 2021 -
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In Houston. Would love these but im really happy with my ver. 1 CF-3 and just now integrating my RSW-15 to my liking. Really wonder if 3 way is for me anymore in small rooms. Its that upgrade bug for something new and shiny that is so tempting. I sold my single Forte III which would have been awesome to use as a center channel with CW IV
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Oh man I would have loved to play with these and experiment with my cf3 LF
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CF-4 revision 3/version 3 in production. Didnt mean CF3One of the pics show a measurement of 44 1/2" tall, which would make them Epic CF4's.
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Looks like possibly v3. I cant faintly make out short port and darker horn. Could be my phone quality though. Great price for even a v3
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How exactly does one scam a local sale? Robs you gun point when you arrive to see the speakers...at his own home?
Or did I miss something and he wants to ship only? So you pay and then you get your tracking order and you receive an envelope with the photo of the chorus II lol
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Hell of a deal
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12 minutes ago, billybob said:
There is a thread on KG-4 where a member is using a build to tilt them. Looked pretty solid and substantial.
CF-3 weighs in at 102lbs so not sure if something built for a kg4 would do it, but i'll take a look, thanks. I shouldn't have even asked though to be honest because i'm just now remembering how ridiculously expensive speaker stands can get. I'm not a handy man either. Small hands.
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On 10/4/2020 at 9:46 AM, Shiva said:
In regards to how much power the Epics might demand on ones system, there used to be a guy on this forum called Cleve. He had a 5.1 Epic system in his home, 3 CF4's in front, 2 CF3's for rear surrounds. 👍 All powered by 300 watt per channel Mcintosh gear. He would take pics of the meters, pegged at 300 watts playing music. So, they may draw more power than one would think or need. I think it better to have more than less.
Nice! I use a bridged McIntosh MC7106 320wpc 3x for my CF3 and KV4, i wish i had a center CF-3 set up. My Mac doesn't have the autoformers though, and red meters that gives a very 80s, early 90s tech feel to it that i love. I dream of true big mac amps with pretty blue eyes, but this still sounds nice with the MX120. KV-4 kind of sucks though.
Been wondering if there are ways to improve it. Better 8" drivers, a KLF-C7 crossover from Bob which i believe has the same xover point. Or perhaps take an rc-7 and put the kv-4 aluminum cd in the rc-7 which should be screw on iirc.
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On 10/1/2020 at 10:21 AM, Shiva said:
https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-Audio/90s/Audio-1995-07.pdf
One other point stated in the review of the Epic CF3 in the link, is that Klipsch recommended that the speakers be slightly tilted up towards the ear of the listener for best results, which the reviewer did. He took measurements tilted and not and got better measurements tilted up. A review worth reading for Epic owners.👍
Wow. I thought it was wrong to tilt these up AND he said Klipsch recommended it, but i wonder if Roy recommends it? Need to try this with my CF-3 v. 1. I absolutely love them!
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It doesnt have the 8ch analog out or hdmi in. I was trying to make my big mac AVR up to date with the addition of those addonsYou heard the Pioneer ELITE UDP-LX500 , with standard cd's at the 'Black Ice F-360' DEMO.
I was considering buying the an OPPO, but realized this was the only way to go...for me.
Scope out its versatility.
https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Blu-ray-Disc/Elite-Blu-ray-Disc-Players/UDP-LX500
I can get it much cheaper, than the posted price.
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13 hours ago, Maximus89 said:
Grr. Just realized the Evolve II-4k is HDMI2.0 and only passes regular 4k. Back to square 1. Might just have to shell out the big bucks for an oppo or just give up and use basic optical audio connections for all my devices
MY MISTAKE. The Evolve II-4K DOES pass HDR and Dolby Vision. Using it plus a 4k hdr switcher with the 8 analog outs of the Evolve II-4k will keep your legacy AVR up to date!
My only issue left will be that i can't bypass the McIntosh MHT100s processing for 2ch via my Tube Dac unless there's something i'm missing as i'll need to free up the analog in for the analog out from the Evolve II-4k, so a tube pre amp will be in my near future, which Evolve+Switcher(Roughly $320 investment) helps save my money so i don't have to spend $1400 or more on an Oppo for that HDMI In. Lower cost 4k Blu-Ray players image looks just as good according to reviews. -
Grr. Just realized the Evolve II-4k is HDMI2.0 and only passes regular 4k. Back to square 1. Might just have to shell out the big bucks for an oppo or just give up and use basic optical audio connections for all my devices
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I spoke with th guy who runs essence and from my understanding, i'd only get uncompressed 2ch pass through. So the front L/R would get True HD and Master and what not, so even if you could use optical to send compressed audio to the center and surrounds, whats the point of my L/R being uncompressed when it's just mostly ambience. The Center would be the most important to get uncompressed audio for voice, but obviously best to have all speakers uncompressed.
Basically I think it's coming down to Evolve II($299) plus an HDMI 4k HDR switcher($19.99 https://www.amazon.com/Koopman-Switcher-Selector-Wireless-Supports/dp/B07PFHWHQT). So i'd get 7.1 analog out from the Evolve, plus 4 HDMI INputs with the switcher for my Blu-Ray player, Streaming Device, and PC, Game Console. Only i'm not sure how the switcher would connect to the Evolve. I'll have to email him and ask if these 2 devices would work together.
This would all be solved if mid tier AVR's had pre outs for all the speakers, but they usually only come with 2ch pre out these days. My AVR can use all 8+2 Zone amps as stand alone power amps to send to another processer. Definitely don't think i'm going the Oppo route as I want to save up for a good Tube Pre Amp for 2ch with home theater pass thru.
Been wondering if there are ways to improve it. Better 8" drivers, a KLF-C7 crossover from Bob which i believe has the same xover point. Or perhaps take an rc-7 and put the kv-4 aluminum cd in the rc-7 which should be screw on iirc.
Klipsch Epic Owners Group
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So there goes that option. I was just interested in using "premium" parts to get every bit of quality as I could. Still haven't heard the CWIV, but coming from Klipschorns to the CF-3 version. 1, I've learned i prefer 2 way for my personal taste.
4. Wait for used La Scala+k510 Jubescala. 5. JUBE LF+K510 cant do massive k402
So my only options are 1. staying put and upgrade gear 2. Go active crossover w/k510 3. Ki-396 - ugly pro speaker
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