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  1. Looks like new “ Heritage” powered models on the way.  Shown at an audio show in Hong Kong (Sevens shown with Fives on the left and Nines in the back - photo not mine).

     

    Nothing on the main site with any details yet.  

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  2. I don’t think I saw the KT120s mentioned, so thought I’d throw in for consideration.

     

    I haven’t heard the 300s or the 150s, but have tried various EL34s, KT88s and now KT120s in my PrimaLuna.

     

    The 120s are more dynamic but smoother than the 88s with a bit of that EL34 mid range magic.  They punch lower and cleaner too.  I very rarely use my sub with my Cornwall IV when listening to music.  

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  3. I would definitely give that Yamaha 801 some serious consideration, if you haven’t already made a call and you’re not wedded to the two in your original post.

     

    You might not have any use for Bluetooth etc, but those S series integrated Yammy’s are very nice amps with good current and a neutral sound.  I would grab one over a Schiit without question.  

  4. 2 hours ago, jjptkd said:

     

    If you're comparing the low end response of the newer forte's (III & IV) to the older versions it wasn't the passive that changed the tuning it was the new woofer. Klipsch had a lot of problems with the original forte woofer (k-23) they would burn up and they'd get a lot of returns, they tried to fix that in the forte II with a vented voice-coil (k-25) but still had issues. The new woofer is more rugged but not as well suited for the low frequencies. 


    Do you know what the design changes were between the original woofers and the newer more rugged options?  I’ve never heard the I or II, but am interested to understand what they’ve changed as they’ve evolved the model. 

  5. On 4/5/2022 at 2:59 AM, Klipschtastic said:

    Thanks for everyone's input!  I bought the Cornwall's from Paducah home theater.  They arrived last Thursday.  After listening to them for a good 20 hours by now I am very impressed!  They beat the the KLF 20's by a good margin in about every facet except for bass impact.  The CWIVs have a much richer, more open and fuller midrange.  Guitars, vocals and drum all have more of a sense of air and space around them as if you are an observer in the venue where the recording is taking place. It is as if the midrange is three dimensional now. I always fought with the midrange on the KLFs, eventually installing an Lpad to tame them a bit.  The KLFs are wonderful with the right recordings but are more revealing of poor recordings than the Cornwalls.  In fact one of the worst recordings I have ever heard on the KLFs, Sinead O'conner's 'Drink Before the War' sounds markedly better on the Cornwalls.  I was really surprised to find myself actually enjoying it for the first time. The whole speaker sounds more integrated as one cohesive sound if that makes sense.  The CWIV are fantastic!  I am quite happy with them.  The KLFs are still a bargain on the used market even at $1500 for a nice pair but if you can afford it I recommend the CWIV.

    The KLFs will be moved down to the home theater and the RF3s will be sold.


    I should have read to the end of the thread before replying to an earlier comment :D

     

    Stoked to see you bit the bullet and got the Cornwall.  They really are a magical speaker.  
     

    If you’re an Apple Music user, let me know and I’ll PM you a link to my every growing playlist of stuff that sounds great on the CW if you’re interested.

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  6. On 3/31/2022 at 6:37 PM, CoryGillmore said:

    I own CWIV and have never heard Forte IV, but I feel like most people who have heard both usually say the FIV seems to have deeper or more impactful bass? I dunno but I do know CWIV has amazing bass. I was using a pair of subs for a while but not much anymore. CWIV and a decent integrated is all one needs for two-channel music bliss. 


    Late to the party, but agree on the CW bass.  I have a Rythmik F12G sub that I usually only use for TV/movies, and don’t often bother to swap over to the tube amp when I’m having a music session.  I often find myself thinking the sub is connected when it’s not, though it does dig deeper when it is on (I have the sub tuned for very tight integration with the CW).  But it’s a testament to the CW how deep they dig.

     

    I haven’t heard the Forte IV, but upgraded to the CW IV from Forte III.  Assuming the bass performance is similar between the III and IV, the Cornwall dig deeper but are much cleaner/tighter than the Forte.  My initial impressions were that the Forte dig deeper, but after listening more and letting the CW settle in, I felt there was some illusion with the Forte bass digging deeper due to being less tight/thicker than the CW.  
     

    Both speakers had plenty of breathing space, so the rear passive on the Forte wasn’t too loaded - pushing it closer to the rear wall does deliver a different experience, and is one of the benefits of the Forte.  But even if that does allow it to dig deeper, from my experience with the III, it was at the expense of tightness so led to a bit more flub.

     

    For OP, haven’t heard KLFs - only the CW IV, Forte III and RF-82 II in home, and RF-7 III and RP-6000F in demo/at friends.  I can’t imagine that the Cornwall IV wouldn’t be a significant upgrade on your KLF.  They truly are incredible and will be coming with me to Vietnam should I end up relocating their from NZ later this year! 

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  7. When not spinning the black discs, I’ve mainly shifted to Apple Music now the catalogue is all lossless.  I’ve been using Apple Music since it came out, and prior to that managed my library via iTunes, so it’s all synced up.  I still have all my “physical” digital files, but I’ve moved them off the Mac and onto a portable SSD I keep plugged into my Cambridge CXN streamer.  
     

    What I really like about Apple Music is its library centric approach, versus Spotify’s playlist centric experience.  I can listen on the go, listen in full high resolution/lossless via USB to the CXN and my PrimaLuna amp, via AirPlay to my Bluesound PowerNode, via the Apple TV, or on my Mac.  

  8. In little old New Zealand, the Forte IV have just released at $12k retail, up from $9k for the III.  
     

    Cornwall IV have gone up from $14k to $15k.

     

    I bought the Forte III when it was released here in late 2017 for $7k, and recently upgraded to the Cornwall IV at the previous $14k price.  
     

    That's a 50% increase in retail price for the Forte in 3 1/2 years over this side of the world.  
     

    Still worth every penny compared to the rest!

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  9. On 9/7/2021 at 12:55 AM, Marvel said:

    Actually, VOXX International purchased Klipsch in 2011. The company is in the VOXX Consumer Group.

     

    The RB 81 II is still made.


    I think the RB-81 was discontinued around 2015 when Klipsch introduced the new Reference and Reference Premiere model lines; with the Reference Premiere RP-600M being the current spiritual successor to the RB-81?

  10. Just chipping in having read this thread, and the thread referenced.

     

    This dude had both the RF7 III and Cornwall IV for a decent amount of time and ultimately decided to go with the Cornwall?  Now he is expressing dissatisfaction with that decision and saying he made the choice due to comments/advice on here?

     

    If I’ve understood this correctly, what’s the problem?  I could understand if it was someone making a blind buying decision between the two, but if you’ve got them both in front of you the decision is yours and yours alone.

     

    I think as a general rule, speak about your own experiences and provide advice on things to listen for based on what an OP has offered up, which is exactly what I see in this forum.  Lovely people with great knowledge and experience wanting to help, to share, and encourage.  
     

    Kia kaha 

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  11. 3 hours ago, CoryGillmore said:

    Ok yeah when you put it that way I see your point!

     

    I bought mine sight unseen/unheard! I based it on reviews alone. I found them to be pretty shouty before I found the right placement and toe-in. I ended up stuffing them back as far in the corner as they would go and just barely toeing them in. I'm in love now and I still have upgraded electronics to look forward to!

     

    Currently running a Schiit Modius DAC into an old Onkyo A/V receiver. Well not old old but from like 2016. I have my sights set on a Freya+ pre and Schiit Aegirs in monoblock. Possibly considering one of their multi-bit balanced DACs too. 

    I'm just scared I'm gonna drop over 3k on electronics and it won't make much difference.....I'm not a huge believer in electronics but I do know that adding in the Modius into my current chain and bypassing the internal DAC of this A/V receiver was quite the upgrade in clarity and musicality. I'm hoping for a similar revelation with a preamp and class A monoblock amps. 


    Forgot to add, I’ve gone the complete opposite on placement.  I have the Cornwall a decent way out from the rear and side walls and toe in so they’re crossing a foot or so in front of my head.spacer.png

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  12. 3 hours ago, CoryGillmore said:

    Ok yeah when you put it that way I see your point!

     

    I bought mine sight unseen/unheard! I based it on reviews alone. I found them to be pretty shouty before I found the right placement and toe-in. I ended up stuffing them back as far in the corner as they would go and just barely toeing them in. I'm in love now and I still have upgraded electronics to look forward to!

     

    Currently running a Schiit Modius DAC into an old Onkyo A/V receiver. Well not old old but from like 2016. I have my sights set on a Freya+ pre and Schiit Aegirs in monoblock. Possibly considering one of their multi-bit balanced DACs too. 

    I'm just scared I'm gonna drop over 3k on electronics and it won't make much difference.....I'm not a huge believer in electronics but I do know that adding in the Modius into my current chain and bypassing the internal DAC of this A/V receiver was quite the upgrade in clarity and musicality. I'm hoping for a similar revelation with a preamp and class A monoblock amps. 


    I don’t think you’ll regret switching out the AVR.  I run a “dual” setup as such, with a PrimaLuna integrated for music listening and a Yamaha Aventage A810 for general TV/film/background music.

     

    The PrimaLuna absolutely kills the Yamaha for music - airy, holographic, gorgeous mids and staging.  The AVR ain’t bad, but it’s apples and oranges and worth the hassle of running the two amps and the cable swaps when I want to settle down for a listen with a drop of Aussie red.

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  13. 1 minute ago, Deano1974 said:

    Hopefully they are shipping Oct/Nov 2 pairs coming into NZ I have taken 1 pair, the walnut finish, same amps to run them, primaluna

    Exciting!

    Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk
     

    Damn!  You are going to be in absolute bliss!  

  14. 6 hours ago, Deano1974 said:

    So after 2 years I finally, with the wife's permission was allowed to move the La Scala's into the lounge, previously they were in a smaller room 
     
    And wow what a difference, haven't told her the real reason for the move was that I have the new Jubilee's on order and they definitely wouldn't fit in the old room lol
     
    Here are a few pics of the room 
     
    I'm running a fully active system with DaveA horn lens, Chris A originally helped me dial the crossovers in for the old room 
     
    In this room Zach and Aaron from A-Z tuning dialed them in using REW remotely and dialled in the 2 x SB-2000 Pros 
     
    Would never have teken the steps to go active without the advice amd help from alot of guys on this forum and now the next step Jubiiiiiileeees yeah baby! 
     
     

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    dude, new Jubes?  When will they arrive?  Jeez you’re gonna be deaf soon with those beasts.  What are you going to drive them with?

  15. On 8/11/2021 at 12:05 PM, harman said:

    Hello, folks! No experience here with Klipsch, only East Coast acoustic suspension. Looking for more presence at low volumes. Not muffled. Please recommend a Klipsch speaker that might meet those conditions. Budget $500; 20 WPC harman/kardon solid state integrated. Thanks to all.

    Forte II with Crites upgrades, maybe?  Not sure if cost used where you are. 

  16. On 8/18/2021 at 6:27 AM, mdm7eb said:

    Can't comment on equipment either. However, on my Forte III's I went from McIntosh tube amp (MC240) to McIntosh solid state (MC152) and noticed similar improvement in the bass. The highs and mids are not not as lush with the SS amp and the effervescent/ethereal tube magic is missing/diminished. Instead, the highs/mids, while still very smooth, are more crisp.

     

    I also confer the ideal situation would be multiple setups or bi-amping.

     

    Good luck and have fun!  


    Thanks, man.  Did you consider one of the McIntosh hybrid amps?  

  17. On 8/18/2021 at 1:40 AM, henry4841 said:

    For the biggest difference in sound go for a SE tube amplifier. There is a mark difference in sound between PP and SE either tube or SS. I referenced a tube buy being that for the same sound in a SS amplifier you are going to have to buy a SE class A SS amplifier and those can get pricey. To me that is the biggest difference, the cost of SE tube sound vs SE SS sound. You can find many SE tube amplifiers under $1000. A comparable SS SE class A is going to cost 3 times as much. 


    Any SE tube amps you would recommend, or particular designs/tubes?  The 300B seems very popular.  

  18. 8 hours ago, Fido said:

    Moving from my Forte 1s to Forte IVs and from el34s to kt 150s completely transformed my listening experience and I love the extra bass punch while acoustic vocals are even clearer than ever before. I made one change at a time - first the kt150s then the IVs


    I feel you, man.  Had KT120s arrive 2 days ago, and absolutely loving them.  That bass is incredible - I keep thinking I have the sub on - and they are much sweeter than the KT88 in the midrange.  Think I’m sticking with tubes! 

  19. 24 minutes ago, henry4841 said:

    Cannot give answer on specific equipment you mention but I do have a lot of tube amplifiers and class A SS ones to compare and comment on. My experience on sound, much the same if one compares similar quality equipment. The SS class A amplifiers I have are Firstwatt clones I have built myself which are pure class A and the sound is comparable to the many tube amplifiers I have. This is where you compare sound between PP and then SE (PP being push pull and SE single ended. In other words the sound between a SE SS class A is comparable to a SE SET tube amplifier and the same comparing PP tube and SS. The differences are very subtle at best if quality equipment is compared. All amplifiers sound different with their strengths and weakness. 


    Thanks man, the SE to SE/PP to PP experience is good to know.  This would be a PP to PP change.

     

    What are your thoughts on shifting from KT88 to KT120 power tubes?  

  20. I have the Cornwall IV with about 150 hours on them.  Haven’t noticed any sibilance.  Just gave that Norah Jones track a listen and I’m hearing absolutely stunning vocals with a great 3D presence and very delicate mic pick up of her breath and vocal imperfections.  

     

    Listened via Apple Music 24/96 via a Cambridge Audio CXN to PrimaLuna Dialogue HP integrated.  

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  21. Seeking experiences and perspectives on shifting from a tube integrated to class A solid state for Cornwall IV.

     

    I currently have a PrimaLuna Dialogue HP integrated with several sets of EL34 and one of the Gold Lion KT88.  I use this for music, switching to a Yamaha A810 for TV duty.  A Rythmik F12G provides extra bass duty (I meander between sub or no sub for stereo depending on mood).

     

    I absolutely love the PL, but have been using the Yamaha more often lately for less focused music listening to run the Cornwall in.  I’ve noticed the Yamaha delivering a deeper and more controlled bass than the tubes, but with harsh mids and highs.  
     

    This has got me lusting after the Luxman L-590AXII, wondering if I can get a best of both worlds.  The improved bass presence with the lush and silky mids and highs.

     

    Anyone by chance heard the two or similar with thoughts?

  22. 2 hours ago, Shakeydeal said:

    If you are truly going to use this system for  “background music”, I wouldn’t spend that kind of coin on either speaker. I haven’t heard the forte IV, but the Cornwall IV is a serious speaker that deserves the best ancillaries and will demand your attention and draw you right into the performance.

     

    Unless you’ve got money to burn, look for some used cornwalls or fortes for your application. IMHO……….

     

    Shakey

    Agreed!  I wouldn’t even go for used Heritage; grab a pair of reference bookshelves if only for background music.  RB81s would do the trick 

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  23. Forte III to Cornwall IV

     

    I was lucky to get a trade in offer for full price on what I paid for the Forte III to upgrade to the Cornwall IV.  It was a no brainer deal, so I had to take it up.

     

    Those that say the Cornwall is like a Forte on steroids aren’t wrong.  They deliver a bigger presentation more effortlessly.  The word I keep coming back to with the Cornwall is delicacy.  Slightly ironic given the sheer size of these speakers.  They are massive.  But as large as they are, the craftsmanship is impeccable.  

     

    The shift to a polymide compression driver in the midrange is immediately noticeable; the scale of the larger mid horn is perfectly complimented by the silky smoothness of that driver.  Vocals and instruments are effortlessly natural, presented on a wide and deep soundstage.  Imaging is tighter, particularly noticeable on good recordings.  

     

    Bass is a bit different with the Cornwall.  It’s bigger, cleaner and deeper, but initially feels weaker than the Forte.  That might be due to the rear passive on the Forte creating extra bass reinforcement, or possibly the tuning with the passive or the prior crossover design creating a mid bass bump.  However, the Cornwall feels more balanced overall and the bass feels more natural.  Drums are ethereal.

     

    For double the price I paid for the Forte (it’s now priced higher), the upgrade was absolutely worth it.  The music is bigger, more natural and lifelike, and more detailed.  It’s more delicate and warmer, more nuanced.  

     

    Gear:

     

    Cornwall IV

    PrimaLuna Dialogue Premium HP Integrated

    Gold Lion KT88

    Gold Lion 12AU7

    Cambridge Audio CXN v2

    Project 2Xpression

    Benz-Micro Ace SL

    Project TubeBox SE II

     

     

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