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My 2 cents - It will work.
How will it sound? I would not like it. There is a 'huge' amount of center channel stuff below 700hz (Don't yell at me - I know the stated bottom of the FR for the midrange - I am talking about where the crossover starts 'melding' the LF with the HF). Until you get to a much lower frequency some of this bass is directional. That means you would be missing quite a bit of intended effect and if you did a side by side you would probably think the wooferless solution was weak and probably 'tinny'. While a subwoofer would give you some relief it would not, usually, help you on the higher LF.
Again - IMHO - I have listened to similar set ups in the midst of building a speaker (usually when testing crossover work) and it just isn't a complete sound.
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Yo Dave - as Marvel said - Mr. Widget is a great resource (and a heck of a nice person). He will answer quickly if you visit the forum.
Also - You can see if Bill Martinelli of Martinelli Sound knows the answer. He is a manufacturer of wood horns and has a good knowledge of Smith (if i remember correctly...). He can be contacted here:
http://www.woodhorn.com/contact.htm
It looks very much like a classic Smith.
Off to ski Aspen/Snowmass for a long weekend. I owe you a call regarding tube testing - see you when I get back.
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Same here - I used my spamable Email addy just in case. No answers to Email.....
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Ouch - not a fan of Pink Floyd - I will be listening to the SACD of DSOM this evening just to be sure I am not influenced by this thread....
Thats funny Hwatkins.
There is a new DVD that just came out in the last year, would that be better than one of the older ones to try another for her ?
What would be a good one to get her past this ? I do also listen when she is not around, so if she don't like the next one I will listen when she is not around.
Well - I will be disagreeing with Meagain here - the SACD 5.1 remaster of DSOM is an amazing feat. It is meticulously structured and manages to do the unthinkable - improve on the original. On my 5 heresy setup (with SVS) I was reminded last night of why I remain enamored with this little speaker.
I will listen to DSOM vinyl downstairs this evening and I am pretty sure I will come away amazed at what was done with groove and needle - it is different, not really worse. My preference will probably remain the SACD.
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I have a life on order, but it is taking about a month longer than I was led to believe. If I don't get it soon I am going out and getting one with less patience.
Now that is flat out funny - thanks for the early morning giggle....
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The problem you describe is associated with a dirty or otherwise high-resistance connection. At low signal levels, the resistance is not overcome and the speaker doesn't play. But overcome that resistance with a high level signal and the speaker plays, even when you turn down the level. It happens in surround because less signal goes to the L and R speakers and more to the center speaker.
This mostly happens with dirty electical devices such as a volume or balance control or switch. Check for flaky input connection at the back side of the input connectors.
What Bob said --
I chased one of these for a couple of weeks off and on. It ended up being a connection in the back of the Amp - I finally resorted to a one connection at a time deep clean. I was prepared to open the back of the Heresy (mine was from 1980) if the issue had followed the speaker on multiple connections.
When I put these older speakers in my ceiling for sides I did open up the back and reworked every connection remembering the 'tail chasing' of the past problem.
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If the yarn is real I would agree with Bob - get this baby into the museum.
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Ouch - not a fan of Pink Floyd - I will be listening to the SACD of DSOM this evening just to be sure I am not influenced by this thread....
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Dtel, Ms. Dtel and Daughter Dtel - We were quite entertained while worrying about friend Dtel (not that I was too terribly enamored with the medical specifics that made me a bit uncomfortable - although one of my voices claims to be a doctor, but I think he picked up his degree somewhere in the Caribbean). You folks are one heck of a nice bunch and clearly a close family. Nothing but admiration, concern and giggles from this old man.
Dtel - listen to the missus. She seems to have her noggin well aligned. If she tells you to plunk your butt on the couch and listen to Barry Manilow you best well do it - I am sure she has only your best interest at heart.
I am so glad all is on the road to well.
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I was kind of wanting a simpleton answer if the 1601 could be bolted into the bass bin without any drilling or cutting and weather or not the crossover networks would have to be changed.
Thanks,
JJK
My friend - did you forget where you were? A simple answer is viewed here as niether practical nor probable.....
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The Cornwalls at 8 ohms are wired directly to the amplifier with a Monster cable or similar (came with the Heresies) with straight pin connector ends. Then I've got 12awg copper zip wire from the Cornwalls to the Heresies, also 8 ohm, wired + to + and - to -. My understanding is that this is a 4 ohm load now.
OK - just to confuse things - isn't the above a description that more closely resembles a series connection? If so, we are talking a 16 ohm load. That means the amp is probably safe, but I can't talk to the sound. I see the overall efficiency of the set up decreasing, but if there is enough clean power that may not be much of an issue. If your amp has a toggle for 8 or 16 ohm that would be an easy fix.
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Maron - I don't want to hijack this thread, but I have a comment that may actually be a question.
I have JBL 2205 reconed with 2225 paper. It is in a vented box made to spec for the JBL 2225 (with a horn cabinet using 2425 and 2404 - the networks are 3110 and 3105) - I didn't imitate any speaker - just speced and T/Sed for a specific sound (it does work for me).
The comment - the jewel of the speaker (to my ear - not measured) is the bass bin. I measured some before building the box mainly to see what network tweaks I needed to make, but I never measured after (the reason is simple - I like the sound too much to be colored by actual measurements and a misguided attempt to get better measurements).
The question - should I have tried to recone with 2205 paper (I had this done - not something I would do myself)? I am not sure I would care that much, the current sound from these woofers is outstanding.
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Don't lick your fingers after handling that thing...
Uh, oh. didn't lick anything but I did sratch something if you know what I mean. What did I do now?
Well - if you can lick what you scratched you have my uptmost admiration........
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My volume is noticably down on the Phono input - although not dramatic.
Will the step up work with a moving mass cartridge vs. a moving coil? if it is for either I may give it a shot - I could experiment ith the two phono inputs to see which is better sounding. It looks like it is a clean standalone and does not need to have the SE pre with it.
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So Craig - bear with me here.
First - the MMC designation is a bit misleading. It stands for Moving Micro-Cross. This is really a moving magnet variation and is designed for low impedence input.
That means (to me) that you would be suggesting the SE parallel feed. I also assume that I would need to add the power supply option based on the disclaimers. I don't think I would need the input transformer options. Am I on target with my thinking?
Also - the silliest of all questions. I am being a bit lazy here (not going to the specs of the phono stage on the 400 because of the time it takes to get through my thick noggin). Can I put this Pre in-line with the low impedence phono input on the reciever without causing some sort of chaotic collision of misdirected electrons?
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GREAT site Ron.
Marty - thanks for the heads up - looks like I may sit on EBay a bit for a deal.
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Has anyone done this? I read 6moons review of the Fishers and he suggested this as an attractive alternative.
Any thoughts? - I have, over time, become less enamored with the phono stage on the Fisher (proves the point - listen for a while. What originally sounds clean may well be a reduction of frequency output). With the B&O MMC cartridges I use - the low side input on the 400 seemed great for the first 12 months - maybe it is just upgraditis.
My problem with a phono pre is that I would be running out of inputs on the 400 unless something goofy like using the existing phono input is workable.
Thanks in advance.
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Henry, I'll be home this weekend, and I have a respectable tester that you can use while I am in Chitown(about 5 more months.) That would easily get you over the hump, and it's fun learning how to do the testing yourself. The setup has instructions, the built in values wheel, and a large range of pin connections....pretty straightforward. I could drop it at the Reavis/Lemay bank if you want on Saturday.
What a wonderful offer Dave - I'll PM later or call this weekend.
Getting over the hump may be just the ticket. I think getting my own will be a pricey venture, but it is starting to look like what I run across with my pinball machine - if I don't pay and learn to fix it myself I'll really spend some dollars later on....
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I am getting too many tube dependencies - who has a suggestion for a reasonably priced tube tester? I am not interested in deep detailed testing - just a reference for expected life, etc. (off course - if the lesser expensive alternative gives me three pages of detail that is OK).
Thanks for your help.
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Welcome back?
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The only caveat might be the side surrounds need to be sprayed some for movies (this is how they are mixed).
Here is an idea for Klipsch and you home builders,,,, Just maybe use Hersey parts and say if you had 2 HF tweeters, 2 mid range horns and 2 woofers.. ina V box (if that would work at all) you could you get that desired effect too. And that's per side,....
Maybe that would be the desired Heritage Side fill surround speaker we all want (ed).
I had 7 scalas and I was 99% happy.... I switched to the THX KS 525's I am 99.9% happy now. Go figure!
Yes and more yes - the heresy parts route sounds very good.
Yes - you will very much like a 7 heresy set up if you have a quality sub woofer and appropriate electronics. I am a proponent of the Hersey's versatality and ability to fit a room.
Do Not sell the Khorns - make room for a listening room separate from the HT. I don't think you will regret it.
An a final yes - all belles, scalas or Khorn (or an appropriate mix) should dound better.
My 2 cents
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Marty - keep me in a PM loop on your results.
I am remodeling my downstairs listening area (as in all such projects the is a loose timeframe) as step 5 in a house redo - so I have a bit of time. A few weeks ago I started the napkin design and came up with a similar thought for my Fisher 400 - Fritz has just made it bunches clearer and I will be looking to do something in the vein of your experimentation. I had been considering selling the 400, but it is just too sweet for me to part with it.
Bring the twins by and we can discuss.
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Any form of shield used would need to have a connection to ground - a grounding point on the TV should be enough. As far as the material - it just needs to be able to conduct electricity and magnetism (which aluminum doesn't do as well).
Who really covered the bases with this paragraph. This is a classic approach that handles most likely causes.
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sorry, but I gotta ask - did you switch the TV to the correct digital input in your first setup? I have to be sure TV is set to correct input for my various connections.
DVI vs. component video
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Just a quick note - even digital connections are in some way being converted. No two TV engines do this the same way (yet). That means (to me) that you should consider side by side testing. On most all newer TVs this is becoming a non issue - most folks will have a hard time telling any difference. On some of the older sets the digital to digital was interestingly, and obviously, worse (don't ask me why...).