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Still listen to them and still one of my favorites. RIP
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Works well. I made a few added tweaks. This was Steely Dan Aja, one of my favorites and a song I know well enough to learn the tech. Given the limitations of 63 year old ears that don't hear anything above 15k and LaScala low end limit, I got the best of the range I had to work.
Thanks!
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Thanks! Very helpful! I am checking my digital music and surprised that the stuff I care about looks pretty good. Not seeing the bass drop off. But that is higher quality and lossless, so I was hoping that to be the case. Will look at some lesser material next.
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This has been an enlightening read! Excuse this dumb question, but as a simple music enthusiast, I have read this entire thread and am still a bit lost. I am new to hi-end audio. I listen to old vinyl because it has better dynamic range than Spotify, and most new CD and vinyl music I buy suffers from compression. Unfortunately this limits what I can listen to and not cringe. Help!
Q: To ensure good sound from a favorite song, do I need to go lossless format digital download but then demaster it with some software and then save again in a lossless format before I listen to it? If so, what software is recommended and how do I learn to do it?
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1 hour ago, billybob said:
Those look alright but in black,do not fetch the higher pricetag. Top, I would maybe go 6,but, they do not look minty after viewing pics.
Afraid, I would only go 550 tops. If more like an 7 out of10 for looks, may only go $500. Too bad those not in walnut or oiled oak. And only making certain all drivers working.
Just my limited opinion. One thing may be sure, should be no obligation to listen to them, to hear a set.
Edit: Sorry for all the yammering. Only $500 speakers to some and that includes serial number stickers being present. as see being sold at a shop. it will probably have no history from original owner(s).
Should have looked before I jumped to conclusions. I apologize!
No worries! I appreciate the help. I may go listen to see if I like the sound and decide if I ever want a pair to add to the LSIs. I agree with liking the wood better than black. I want to hear Chorus and Forte. I've compared Cornwalls and Heresy to the LSI but not CH or Forte.
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44 minutes ago, Dave A said:
I would sure like to know where you guys see all these cheap Chorus's. I have been watching and nothing anywhere within hundreds of miles from Nashville for anything even remotely close to that for about a year now. Forte's are selling for $650 around here in a heart beat. If you are including the whole United States that might be true but then the 1000 to 1400 mile round trip kind of removes the value of that "cheap" price. I would like to buy some from you if you have any for sale at the average price
I think this is like fishing. You have to know where to look and get lucky on timing. I admit, I don't and just saw these on eBay and was surprised they are in my home town. I rarely see heritage Klipsch speakers close by and I don't know going prices. My LaScalas were not a "great deal" but were fair and I'm happy with them. I am always looking for those great deals and rarely find them.
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I asked and they are Chorus I. They would be a rotational speaker set, for heavy bass type music or maybe the start of a new surround sound system. It is rare that a set of Klipsch become available in little old Melbourne, Fl so I figured it was worth thinking about them. I am not considering selling the LSIs, so not worth it unless the Chorus are a great deal. At that price, sounds like they are probably a pass.
Thanks for the input.
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I have LaScala Ind separates with Crites crossovers and bass drivers. I love them but a set of Chorus came up local to me and I was wondering if they would be worth buying. Seller is asking $850 and they look to be in good shape. I believe they are Chorus 1 as he does not mention any series numbers. Any opinions and experience how these two compare? I am driving them with MC30s. Primarily, I listen at moderate levels (yelling to be heard sitting next to each other) to old rock, jazz and blues. I am not into thumping bass but like a good sound stage and realistic sound reproduction.
Thanks,
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I tried to buy kits from Klipsch two months ago, and they had none. They do have stamped steel K43s that will fit the LaScala if you want new exact replacements. They are a lot more expensive. Hence I gave up and bought Crites replacements. happy with them! Not sure if Klipsch would make a special order for rebuild kits with one of their orders from Emminence, for one or two kit sales. That is a lot of inventory and working capital. Worth asking I guess.
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I would be interested to know where you find a kit. I have a K43 with a burned coil and looked for a kit a few months ago and couldn't find one. I replaced both with Crites K33 replacement speakers, which I like a lot, but I am still interested in fixing the original.
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I saw one thread on building an AA and it looked easy except there didn't seem to be a source for the autoformers. That is why I was hoping to upgrade the AL parts. I assumed the AL to AL3 might be more straight forward and reuse more parts. If I knew what autoformers to buy, I would build the AA.
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Just bought a pair of LSi which have AL X-O. Just got my MC30s today and am loving the sound but based on the age of the speakers, I was thinking of rebuilding the X-O with new caps. I read the AL is not the best and people prefer the AA or AL-3. I read it isn't cost effective to convert an AL to an AA. Is it possible (cost effective) to update the AL to AL-3 during the rebuild or do I need to buy a new AL-3 X-O?
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Thanks for the help guys! The amps and the terminal converters are here and they work great!
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Jim,
Congrats on the new addition and enjoy the sound. Did they convert the screw terminals to banana plugs for the speaker connections? I have a pair of 30s coming in and was thinking of doing that. Can I get a picture of what yours look like?
Thanks!
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Great. Choice on the mc 30s. There are differences between the vintage macs but they all are awesome. What are you using for a preamp?
Are you going to be playing vinyl?
I started this with the intention of taking out my vintage vinyl but I also have built up a collection of newer digital music. I worked in Asia for a few years and sold all my electronics, going and coming back, so now I am rebuilding. I am starting from nothing but vinyl that have been in storage and some files. Bought the LSi and hopefully the amps are keepers. Looking at a Rega RP6/Ortofon-blue and no clue on a preamp. Obviously there is a budget, I am bordering on mediumly really expensive stuff (I know all relative) but I don't have the budget for $5k+ components. I am buying used and looking for good musical value for the money.
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Took the plunge and bought a pair of MC30s in excellent condition and somehow also bought a "project" MC40 with output volume issues. Well I needed a project and I can try both and decide which I like better. Now the waiting for delivery starts!
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12 minutes ago, jimjimbo said:
@CDinMB if you decide to go with K33's, please let me know, as I will buy your K43's. Where are you located by the way? I may have missed it.
I will wait to hear them with a proper amp. I loved them in the demo which was not the ideal amp or setting, so I am expecting to love them here. I am retired in Melbourne, Florida. I agree with more power isn't always better. Hence why am looking at Mac 225, 30, 40s. The Dynaco ST was always a well respected amp. A friend had one and it sounded great. Finding any of these in reliable working order locally is the trick.
Any other current designs as options?
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1 hour ago, HDBRbuilder said:
One variable you MAY NOT have considered is that the Woofers in your INDUSTRIAL LaScalas are (or SHOULD BE!) the K43, and not the K33. The K43 is in them in order to handle MORE POWER, but its trade-off is that it does NOT go as LOW (plus or minus 3dB) as the K33 woofer can go. If you are using low wattage power the K33 would be a better choice...but you may NOT actually HEAR MUCH AUDIBLE difference between the two types of woofers, simply because the Bass Horn Lens of the LaScala is not designed to hit the Lower spectrum which the Cornwall can get to with its ported enclosure and its K33 woofers. But the option is still there to make the change to the K33.
You're use of tube amps of various types in your guitar endeavors kinda reminds me of Joe Walsh. HE is a huge proponent of tubed guitar amps and actually mic-ing them in the recording studio...simply because between the differences in the drivers and the amplifier sections in the tube guitar amps will ALSO provide the desired sound differences sought in the track overlays he tends to use when recording. He is EXTREMELY knowledgeable about this...and he is also Extremely knowledgeable about the TUBES used and the differences ones from different sources provide when rolled into those amp sections. Most people don't realize that he has been an avid ham radio nut since he was a kid...still is...and it was TUBES which he "cut his teeth on" electronically-speaking. So he has a wealth of knowledge in that spectrum.
I am with Joe on rolling tubes in amps. I have a box of preamp tubes that I swap out to get the tone I want. I am not an expert, just know what sounds good to me.
The pics of drivers I have are K77 and K55M with a LSI stamp, which are the high and mid range? That was something I did not know! Thanks!
So more power may be more better.
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On 3/30/2017 at 8:11 AM, tube fanatic said:
I'm glad you said this! No one believes me when I talk about how little power is needed with most Klipsch speakers, especially when they are installed in small to medium size rooms. Your comment reminds me of when I used to demo K-horns using a 6 transistor radio capable of no more than 50-60 milliwatts output from its earphone jack..
When it comes to tube amps (since SS amps are so cheap in comparison, high power doesn't cost much as we all know), I simply cannot understand why anyone thinks they need to invest in something offering 50+ watts/channel when their actual power need is no more than 1/10 that amount under their loudest listening conditions.
Maynard
Glad you said this.
Next question is good amps to pair with these? Not sure why, nostalgia maybe, I am scouting MC30/40s and MC225/40 as a backup. I understand the significant difference between SS rec and tube rec in the 30 and 40. I have read a lot of opinions on them but haven't heard either so I am not sure which I would like. Based on what I've read, I would be picking the loose bottom and warm mid (MC30s) or tight bass and neutral mids (MC40s).
All my guitar amps are tube, some are vintage 50/60s. I only play my Mesa with SS rec when practicing, but always go to my '65 Deluxe Reverb or 50s Tweed for tone. All are great amps, but entirely different sound. I enjoy the roundness and sag of tube rec in a guitar amp. Just not sure if that is best for reproducing all instruments. I also build my own amps so I am not afraid of tube circuit repairs, etc.
I understand big tube numbers (Wpc) aren't needed for the LSi. Given their design trade offs, I don't know if these older designs are still the best for music reproduction today. Are there other options, that are better, cost effective, adaptable to old and new music sources? Most important question is, do any newer designs capture the mid range warmth of a 30 while still able to track the transients and control the bass like a 40? Not an easy question. Most of my research has brought up discussions from 2010 or older and any new articles only talk about the new MC275 which is way more than I need or want to spend.
So is it safe to assume the MC30/40 are still good amp pairings for my size room and the LSi? Or I hesitate to say it, bi amp the LSi. My wife would shoot me!
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Hope this isn't sacrilege!
1 hour ago, HDBRbuilder said:Just get an el-cheapo portable personal CD player, take the included el cheapo headphones...clip off the headphone wires at the headset...separate them and do a wire-to-wire splice to some lamp cord, and run the lascalas that way...you will be surprised at what you hear! I call this my personal interim separates for unpowered speakers...trust me...it will be a total surprise, especially when the wife actually HEARS how efficient Klipsch speakers are when being powered by the out-put of a headphone jack on a el cheapo portable battery-powered CD player...she will NEVER BELIEVE IT!
You won't be rockin' the neighborhood, but you WILL be rockin' that room!
Most excellent! I just hope it isn't sacrilege! Not the best source but at least there is music here! You are right they are amazingly loud.
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2 hours ago, jimjimbo said:
Great choice, we need photos!
As you can see in the photo, wife is giving up her cabinet spot in the living room when I actually get amps, etc. Speaker center lines are about 7 ft apart and listening position is about 12.5 ft from each speaker. It is killing me to just look at them!
Shopping tube amps...
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Thanks for all the great input!
So we went, we listened, we bought. Wife and I both agreed on the La Scalas. Even my wife, who is not an audiophile, admitted it was an easy choice. I took some Eagles and Steely Dan and the seller had some some classic jazz. He also had Cornwalls IIs at his house and his personal La Scalas IIs to reference. The La Scala IIs seemed to have a bit more bass balance than the LSi, but it could have been the 200wpc amp driving them versus the 30wpc we used to demo the LSi. I was happy with what I heard. The CWs had huge bass but I could hear the distortion in the mid bass and more concerning, I lost some of the guitar solos in the mix. I have some hearing loss so I brought music I knew well and I expected to not hear something. Surprisingly, my wife also noticed the loss of some guitar solos, and as a guitar player, this was unacceptable.
The LSi have the AA X-over and are all original. Bass could be stronger but I could hear every note and the articulation and sound stage is what I was after. They delivered that. Speaking of delivery, wow these things are heavy! Even with them being four boxes, the bass cabs are a wheeled only moving experience.
The LSi are well refinished, look new and though not beautiful in the living room, look nice enough. My wife is very understanding when it comes to sound. She agrees how they sound is more important than how they look. It only took 40 years of marriage to get her there. Now I need to find the rest of the system. One component down, more to go.
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56 minutes ago, muel said:
Are both at the same location? That sure helps eliminate the difference between rooms.
Have fun!
Unfortunately the LS are at the sellers apartment and the CW are at his fathers house, so there will be a 10 min drive and different rooms to affect the decision. Just adds to the fun I suppose.
I will bring CDs and a towel! Thanks for the input.
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