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I'm wondering why Klipsch didn't keep making the Forte IV in SE Ebony. The sales just weren't high enough? But having never seen the SE Ebony finish, is it just absolutely worlds above the Black Ash regular finish? Are they two different types of finishes? Was the SE Ebony Forte III grille special too, or was it just the same grille that would have gone on the Forte III Black Ash one? The McLaren ones look black too, so are they just Black Ash with the special McLaren trim or is it a special finish for the special McLaren trim? And is the McLaren trim permanently attached? It looks like it isn't but I can't find any documentation one way or the other. Having never seen anything, it is fairly difficult to figure anything out, so replies are greatly appreciated.

Thanks, and this is the bit of the other dilemma. What I like to listen to, '60s Rock, and what everybody else likes to listen to, movie theater immersion, are two completely different speakers, yet I'm trying to get by with one set. I want to use a nice respectable tube amp playing records, my wife and kids want to use a massive amp to live the movies. Also, I like to find out the theory and all about things, so why 3-way instead of 2-way and why not 4-way? The budget is about $2000, but I have thought about going higher to get the Cornwall but it would have to be a Cornwall I, which is above $2000 but still within reach and not as much as Cornwall IV. And I would never thought of the Forte IV except for the suggestions here. I was strictly focused on the RF7-III until I started doing more research. It is interesting, because I was reading one the comments from one of the comparisons by Paducah Home Theater, "Heritage vs. Reference," and sama kind of summed it up: @sama7545 1 year ago (edited) I tried both in my home and ultimately decided on the RF7iii’s. It’s in a mixed use set up, maybe 60% movies and games, and 40% music. The forte’s sounded more spacious and wide and had better imaging and soundstage, but lacked a bit of punch focus for movies and games. They also sounded low to the ground when tied to movie and game soundtracks and panning effects (with a tv mounted up on the wall between them). It just felt distracting and kept taking me out of the experience. They have very different sound signatures (with the mids on the Heritage line being substantially more noticeable), but neither is “bad”, just different. Ultimately I decided on the RF7iii’s because it could do both really well. I knew I was getting a 85-90% optimal experience in both use cases, instead of a 95% in music and a 65-70% in movies and games. It is NOT an easy choice. I went back and forth several times when trying to decide. I still think about Fortes (and to be honest the Heresy’s as well) from time to time, but I know that I did the work and remember the comparisons in my room, and ultimately decided on the most balanced solution for my use case.

Yes, thanks for catching my mistake.

Maybe Schu, as an expert, somewhat said this in a bit of humor, but me as a non-expert truly wonder and am confused, why not four, or five? It can't be cost, as Klipsch makes top-of-the-line speakers. Somewhat, isn't that what the Tekton speaker does? And this is why I appreciate the people here. Yes, Flevoman and MMurg both suggested the Forte, which I had never looked into. And then there's the Chorus IV, suggested by 001, but those seem financially out of reach. I could possibly get a Chorus I, but then the questions start again as what's the difference between I and IV, and IV must be better because Klipsch must be improving the speakers along the way, but is it that much dollar-wise better? Yes, I'm just hoping I don't get derailed along the way.

OK, it seems I've figured out that the Forte IV is a 3-way speaker.

001 wants to get me in trouble!

See, that's the other dilemma, as no I haven't heard any of them. I just know I like Klipsch. One of them, or all of them maybe, but I have to choose one.

I'm going to say "That's it!" And thanks of course. I somewhat suspected that 3-way was better than 2-way, but it ends up being more complex. I want to listen to '60s records, others here want the 5.1 movie experience at home. And I end up confused about how the best way to do that. Heresy IV with the subwoofer in 5.1 and then Heresy IV with or without a subwoofer to listen to records, or use the RF7-III and not need the subwoofer to listen to the records and have the incredible 5.1 system. Or maybe the Forte IV might be the ultimate, but I have never looked at them.

So if it is the 2-channel output, with two Heresys, can the subwoofer then still be somehow used when listening? And yes, I admit, you're trying to explain it to somebody who is fairly confused, but I appreciate.

OK, yes, that is my mistake, it is the Heritage series, but the Heresy IV. I did go back and fix it in the original post.

OK, yes, if you've heard both, but I'm hoping for a bit more technical explanation. One detail is the RF7-III is 2-way passive, but the Heresy IV is 3-way passive. As much as I've tried to research, I'm somewhat only understanding that the 3-way is better for the midrange, but the 2-way is better for the bass? This is probably the aspect that has me most confused. Is 2-way passive really best for 2-Channel Home Audio, and 3-way best for when there is a subwoofer? The RF7-III has a wider frequency range, and greater sensitivity (100 vs 99 so not a huge difference). The Heresy IV doesn't seem to be a "poor man's RF7-III," but somewhat a different speaker for a different reason but I can't figure this out either. I have watched the Paducah Home Theater test, and I know Cory answers many questions here, so maybe he will help. I came away from that video though more confused than I did before, because from that video it seems the Heresy IV is much better, but then 10 guys come on and say oh no the RF7-III is much better. Greatly appreciate any help!

Hey billybob, you've got 21.2k posts, EXPERT in my opinion! And as a serious note, you and all the people who take the time to make the posts are greatly appreciated.

At the moment it is RF7II and the RC7 center, and the R112SW. It has been fine for some time. As an aside, I can't imagine why people have two subwoofers, just this one shakes the room. But, there is an opportunity and I could get an additional two RP-600m ii speakers. Then I'd have the 5.1 system. I've been trying to research, and on a rare occasion the RP-600m (or RP-600m ii) has been mentioned as rear speakers. One suggestion was from 001, with 73.3k posts (at that time) so I'm thinking they know what they're talking about. So I'm hoping an expert or two might help out.

Did anybody check further with the detail from the website https://www.cannonsafe.com/digital-vs-mechanical-locks/ Negatives: Batteries must be changed every 6 to 12 months May experience temporary lockout if batteries are allowed to die So has Cannon explained about the "temporary lockout?" As Cannon might say, it depends on your definition of temporary. I also am highly skeptical that there are dozens of different digital locks, I'd get another one and at least try to connect it. It would be a bit ironic if the modern safecracker only needed a new digital lock to switch for the safe they're breaking into. Finally, is it possible that the handle has jammed the locking release? I doubt that any of my theories are any better than Dave's, but still might be worth a try.

If somebody is interested in getting these on the east coast and going far south to GA or FL, I've dealt with a guy who is excellent and might be able to help. He will do maybe one trip per month, so you'd have to be patient too. I don't understand why Dave (wvu80) hasn't added them to his collection, at least they'd be getting closer to Florida.